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Sword Art Online: Plot being ruined.
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I didnt like it after they introdudced the immortal girl, but i watched it anyway, because my fingers kept pushing play, and all the buttons to continue.
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Just making sure that it is kept as what it is and nothing more since there are some that would accept it as fact.


'immortal girl'?
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xCrimsonEX wrote:

'immortal girl'?


I'm sure that refers to
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ah I guess that makes sense though I'd call her "pixie girl" but now I know
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Posted 12/29/12
I like SAO, here's a gift pass to anyone who needs it. Expires Jan 24.
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For those people wanting to bash it because the second half was no longer a "death game" they need to seriously reprioritize. For one the "death game" aspect of it was something that could only go so far before it would become stale and therefore the author changed things up. The series as a whole offers plenty of events that are very much on par with that feeling if you give it a chance
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Mythalian wrote:

For those people wanting to bash it because the second half was no longer a "death game" they need to seriously reprioritize. For one the "death game" aspect of it was something that could only go so far before it would become stale and therefore the author changed things up. The series as a whole offers plenty of events that are very much on par with that feeling if you give it a chance
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They where trapped for two years in a game that had 100 floors. That could easily have been a 25 episode anime or more if you allow for different story arches. Which it already kind of did they where just really short 1-2 episode stories. Apart from the aspect of losing someone (which is something you can explore without being trapped in a game) they never much touched upon the effect of a large amount of people being stuck there. Not from the perspective of those trapped nor especially from the outside world.
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I love the plot, one of the best anime shows this year.
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bunch of hipsters

I enjoyed the anime, it was fun to watch and re-watch, so I'ma watch more and read the LN
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I'm just mad that so much potential was wasted...they threw out all of the progress they made and turned fan service from low-medium to extremely high. Step-sister falling in love with him? Asuna being a helpless damsel in distress? Give me a break. Meanwhile in the second half we meet NOBODY worthwhile. Everyone shows up in one episode for fanservice.

Kirito is boring. He's beaten admins twice by means of pure plot device. His stats magically transferred from SAO, and all women magically love him. He turns women from normal human beings to incapable of speech. About the fan service - I can't count the number of times there are camera shots of his cousin's behind or the sexual advances on Asuna (haha his employees were tentacle creatures!)

I keep seeing a flawed argument that any protagonist is a "gary stu", but that simply isn't the case. Kirito has shown illogical immortality twice, has been able to do everything that isn't some silly betrayal/trap in SAO. He needs flaws. Being a loner/beater shouldn't allow him to get to level whatever, or maybe he shouldn't have a favorable reputation, any of these kinds of factors should be included. He should be too afraid to anything ever if he cares so much about everyone. SOMETHING. For example, in Fate Zero, Kiritsugu is seemingly unstoppable but at the cost of love ones close to him and his dream was more-or-less dealt a serious blow. Tokiomi was too trusting. Kirei didn't know what motivation to use and let others think for him often.

Any competent anime plot makes this second half look like a joke. The second half of SAO needs to be completely scrapped.
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If you think about it in the second half he had one week to save asuna. If he didn't find her in that time she would have been married to sugou and that would have practically killed kirito.
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Nice review! imo i think SAO was great! it gave me another anime to watch! music was amazing fighting was cool! yea the story was rushed and had alot of "empty spaces" but overall it was good!

if u read this.

If your person who cares about story and almost every detail then idk if should watch this since i see alot of people hatin on it beacuse of these reasons xD!!!
but if u just want to watch a cool flashy anime then SAO is allll righttyy for u!!!

if not give the novel a try its way more detailed and better than the anime!!!

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Posted 12/31/12 , edited 12/31/12

The 'boring' aspect is pure opinion as I found him to be relatable. No one 'magically' falls in love with anyone. He's a nice guy who helps people, by all logic how is this not supposed to be returned with some sense of affection/admiration? Are they supposed to dismiss everything he does?

You mention 'immortality' but I point you to Kirito's first raid in the world tree and his subsequent death. So, an experienced player can't avoid traps and know how to defeat things via prior experience? Right *sarcasm intended* I am a gamer and I have learned along the way that x-thing = x-weakness (or x-strategy works against x-thing) or w/e so imo this is moot. Pre-ALO he didn't' have a favorable reputation, to those it was revealed that he was a 'beater' and yeah, you're right someone that fights away inside a 100 floor dungeon and kills countless monsters should never gain experience or levels Kiritsugu was a royal bastard and Tokiomi was far worse than him and got what he deserved imo. Kiritsugu went against servants which isn't supposed to be possible and yet he did (rather easily), not to mention that he had just happened to have an anti-magic gun.

Or maybe people should learn that they're a small segment of the populous and not everyone can be satisfied. I found second arc to be decent, though not perfect, hence already proving my point.

In ending I say: if you don't like the writing, story, characters then feel free to pull up a Wordpad, Microsoft Word, Textpad, or any other writing program and write your own story. Then you try to market that story and see if a) everyone responds well to it and b) if its as 'easy' as you (and all the other 'critics') seem to think it is.
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Ok I gotta admit, the first 14 episodes of this were great. I loved where it was going. Dying in the game would make you die in real life? Awesome. Can't log out so now you're screaming for mummy and daddy? Awesome. Evil mastermind who just trapped people in this game for the lulz? Awesome. Oh and before you continue reading, I'm gonna warn you that there are spoilers.

Even though the whole plot of the first 14 episodes weren't as solid, it was enjoyable to watch how Kirito progressed throughout the 2 years. I couldn't get enough of it. But after episode 15, it didn't feel like I was enjoying the anime as much. Because when Kirito was introduced to a new game, I knew that he could log out, could not die in real life if he dies in the game and that he isn't going to be considered as a beater anymore. We have a creepy new villain who wants to marry and have sex with Miss Asuna-chan in her sleep. Yeah...that is so creepy. And we have some incest going on between Kazuto(Kirito) and his sister. I don't like incest. Putting these flaws all together just didn't make the anime seem enjoyable anymore or even suspenseful. After episode 14 I did not like where it was going or was trying to achieve.

I mean, it would be better if they would just keep the same plot. I mean they can do so much from episode 1-25 but just add some badass arcs to it. I love the suspense of a player dying. And Kirito acts really serious every time he see's someone about to die. I mean he has the right to go crazy about it. But now in whatever game he is in right now after episode 14, he still acts freakin serious about dying in the game? Dude take a chill pill, you can respawn back to the nearest town. So what if there are trolls lurking around and killing people for the lulz. Now I think this anime is getting way too cheesy.

So yeah. That's how I thought about the anime after episode 14. Not suspenseful anymore. I'm still gonna watch it until it's finished since I'm curious to what happens in the end. But the anime does not seem as enjoyable as it was anymore. It's a real shame. Sorry for the fanboys and fangirls who love this show, but I did not make this thread to intentionally piss you off. I'm just trying to prove a point.


Important Note (Edited): After watching further into the series even more, I am proud to announce that Sword Art Online is an extremely crap anime with a horribly written story. Even Twilight takes a huge dump on it. I made a review of SAO recently, so I'll show you how I felt of it.



Oh and a shout out for AHTL for helping people realize that this anime is way too overrated. I actually knew some of this but I actually couldn't be stuffed typing it down. So thanks. I'll put what you said in this spoiler button.





Ok, I have to tell you this.
I love you sooo much.
This is the best review I've ever seen.
Better than those fanboys/-girls telling it's awesome because it is.
AHTL made a good review too.
Could you respond to me?, I want to know if I may post this on a anime recommondation source.
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AHTL wrote:

Sorry, but if anyone is having high expectations from this show - you should try to look at it differently. Thinking highly of this show is akin to being delusional.


Lets face the facts:

Kirito is Gary Stue.

For those that don't know what a Gary Stue is, it's the male version of a Mary Sue.

A fictional character, usually female, whose implausible talents and likeableness weaken the story.


Every time he has been struggling in a battle, he has called upon his Gary Stue powers to win the fight.


Every female character in this show who has been given a name, has fallen in love with Kirito.
No seriously, the only way to avoid falling in love with Kirito if you are a female character is to never tell your name.

The "Beater/Cheater" haters. Absolutely moronic to a degree that can't even be explained because it was so stupid.
Why the hell would you have a freaking witch-hunt against the VERY PEOPLE WHO COULD SAVE YOU FROM THE MMO??


Deus Ex Machina. Kirito gets paralysed and just as he is about to die; 'LO AND BEHOLD THERE IS ASUNA!
Just in time to rescue him from an untimely death! Phew! What a coincident!

Kirito picks the WEAKEST race, gets told illusions are useless, somehow managed to become one of the bosses from the SAO MMO and BITES A PLAYER.
Lets look at the facts again. ILLUSION. Not transformation or anything similar. ILLUSION. You shouldn't be able to hurt anyone like Kirito did with an illusion. But it's okay! Because he is Gary Stue! Therefore his spells breaks the game.

Kirito beats a highly skilled player in ALO.



Lets not forget that the creator of this show is trying to pander to every fanservice group there is.
Big boobs? Check. Loli? Check. Implied incest brother/sister love? Check (I know they are cousins, Kirito doesn't and before it was revealed nobody else did). TENTACLE RAPE? Check. Boring characters with little to no personality? Check. Make it easy for fans to self-insert into the characters? Check.

Every female character in this game apparently can't handle their own troubles. But it's okay, because Kirito is ready to save the day for the HELPLESS WOMEN.

Asuna was helpless against pressure. Asuna loves cooking (hurf durf women kitchen sandwich), she is apparently *perfect*, she is submissive towards Kirito almost all the time. Oh and lets not forget:


I like Asuna's parents. Because they are just doing what's best for their daughter! Marrying her off to a man who is twice as old and they don't even know if she approves of it or not! Or if she loves anyone else. After all, family doesn't matter - money does. Oh and a stupid plot.

Anyway, enough about the SAO MMO.


The new bad guy in the ALO arc is the blandest shittiest bad guy ever.


Sorry, but the light novels are hardly better.

This show had tons of potential, but it squandered most of it because it wanted to pander to the audience sexual desires. And I'm getting tired of the SO ANGSTY Kirito. Mostly I'm just tired of him being Gary Stue.

Oh and did I mention that Kirito is an MMO addict? Because he is. Just re-watch that scene where the bartender dude shows him the ALO game. He was clearly more focused on the game itself and keen on playing it, and than rescuing Asuna - till the bartende dude just coughed to break the MMO-addiction-spell. Kirito's "flawless never back down" moral compass gets tedious as well.


At the end of the day, I only watch this show to laugh at how bad it is.


Here, have an image that sum up the current arc of SAO quite nicely:


I'm going to attempt to tackle this, one point at a time because it seems interesting and this is the best argument out of all the SAO haters out there.

First your Gary Stu point. Kirito is the #1 player in the whole game. He was recognized by the system and had the fastest reaction time out of all the players which is why he receives the Dual-Wield skill. Prior to Asuna's death during Kirito's fight with Heathcliffe she broke the paralysis she was under to intercept the attack that would originally killed Kirito. This was explained, the system couldn't handle the strong surge of emotion Asuna had for wanting to save Kirito which caused a glitch that cured the paralysis and allowed her to intercept the killing blow. In return, the same thing happened to Kirito. The strong wave of emotion caused the game to glitch and bug out which prevented him from being removed from the game after he had died. As for the fight in ALO, something of this nature in games isn't unheard of at all. For example, take a look at World of Roguecraft. He walks around with absolutely no gear except for a dagger and completely destroys everyone he comes across.

Every female character in this show who has been given a name, has fallen in love with Kirito.
This is mostly true, although there are a few exceptions. For example the PKer chick at the end of episode 4, and the girl in the murder mystery episode. These are two really bad examples, yet at the same time disproves your point because both these characters have names and both did not fall in love with Kirito.

The "Beater/Cheater" haters. Absolutely moronic to a degree that can't even be explained because it was so stupid.
I agree with this point completely, although this happens in games today. People want to be the strongest, and hate/blame the people who are better than them even though they are working towards the same goal.

Deus Ex Machina. Kirito gets paralysed and just as he is about to die; 'LO AND BEHOLD THERE IS ASUNA!
Like this hasn't happened in a lot of anime... Dragon Ball Z comes to mind immediately. How many times has Goku come to save the day? Gary Stu much?

Kirito picks the WEAKEST race, gets told illusions are useless, somehow managed to become one of the bosses from the SAO MMO and BITES A PLAYER.
People get mistaken about races all the time in MMOs. I used to get a lot of flak being a gnome rogue back in Vanilla WoW, but people didn't think about their small hitboxes/escape artist/dagger proficiency. People don't know what they don't play, information can only take you so far.

Kirito beats a highly skilled player in ALO.
I'm going to copy paste my response from above.
As for the fight in ALO, something of this nature in games isn't unheard of at all. For example, take a look at World of Roguecraft. He walks around with absolutely no gear except for a dagger and completely destroys everyone he comes across.

Lets not forget that the creator of this show is trying to pander to every fanservice group there is.
I agree with this, but fan service doesn't bother me. There are certain shows where it should be and certain shows where it shouldn't. SAO could have been better without it, but we will never know because it was decided to be put in.

Implied incest brother/sister love? Check (I know they are cousins, Kirito doesn't and before it was revealed nobody else did).
This is actually false, Kirito knew they were cousins for a long time. He first states it in episode 4, around 13:10. The exact quote is "I called her my little sister, but she's actually my cousin."

I like Asuna's parents. Because they are just doing what's best for their daughter! Marrying her off to a man who is twice as old and they don't even know if she approves of it or not! Or if she loves anyone else. After all, family doesn't matter - money does. Oh and a stupid plot.
Nice sarcasm there. From what I gather the reason they were going to marry her off to him was because he was the one keeping her alive, had tons of money and would be able to take care of her, and had no idea of his malicious intentions. They were planning to have her married to him a long time before that, but Asuna never told her parents of her dislike of him.

Asuna was helpless against pressure. Asuna loves cooking (hurf durf women kitchen sandwich), she is apparently *perfect*, she is submissive towards Kirito almost all the time.
That's just how some people are, that's what her character did. There are women in tons of anime that can cook and some that can't. I'll agree that shes very submissive towards Kirito, but there are a few times when she wasn't as well. For example, forcing him to join her party to go grinding together. Honestly though how could you miss the foreshadowing of their relationship at the end of episode 2?

The new bad guy in the ALO arc is the blandest shittiest bad guy ever.
I'd disagree. He kept 300 people hostage, was going to take away Kirito's girlfriend through marriage, performed experiments on all of them, and much more. There have been worse villains both in video games and anime (of course this is all merely opinion).

As for the LN, I haven't read them so I can't really say if they are good or bad.








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