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Sword Art Online: Plot being ruined.
Posted 1/1/13

Mythalian wrote:

Yeah lets just nitpick every little bitty detail. Does an author have to hold your hand and spoonfeed every detail possible to you? The source material is called a "light novel" for a reason. It is not intended to be an all encompassing work spanning hundreds of pages with complete commentaries and related work studies. This is not the encyclopedia or a dictionary or the complete Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It's one step up from a friggin manga/comic. I seriously wonder are you this picky about everything in your life? Honestly if he had sat there and gone into detail about the exact technical specifications of a technology we don't have yet you'd either whine that it was unnecesary "TL:DR" or some other complaint. And that just judging from everything else you've tried ripping apart. I give up you are a lost cause and I don't feel like wasting anymore time with you.


Because the lack of details absolutely means that I want to be spoonfed and have my hands held. Are you reading my posts correctly? I'm complaining about the lack of details or explanations of how the NerveGear works which has created much misunderstanding and confusion! Way to wrongly interpret my points. I'm not asking for a fucking technical manual the size of a yellow phonebook but something like "the NerveGear works by X". If anyone is a lost cause, it would be you and your failure of reading into my points.


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DTB never gives anything other than his jacket is bulletproof (nothing on the wire he uses, mask he wears, nor anything else), F/S N and F/Z has weapons but don't go into detail with every single one cause its not important to know the story, FMA/B doesn't go into details because well everything in that -verse can potentially be a weapon (though they could have mentioned the details of Ed's auto-mail and Al's armor but they don't because its not important), Dantalian never tells you details of each book (weakness/strength/cheat skills/etc) again because its not important. So I guess you'd be satisfied with seeing 15mins of item windows, no thank you for me I do that as it is 2-4hrs a day.


You miss out the part where I mentioned why the SAO equipment is important to its story. And while the equipment in the anime above are not all too important to the story; they do and actually explain those things. Go rewatch them.


Not 'just because' its his world meaning our laws don't per se apply unless you have a V.R. simulator somewhere and can confirm how it all works. Again this is background info and not important to the overall story, except to you which would imply you want special treatment.


Again; because he didn't present information on how the NerveGear works, it creates a whole mess of a situation for critical thinkers. And I'll repeat this until you understand: the anime had set rules but broke them without explanation.


And I've given legitimate answers to most of the flaws. You mention flaw and I give reason its not a flaw = defending SAO against all costs? I call it addressing issues. Again my reasons are not 'Billy's' reasons for liking a show. Critics ask to be attacked since who ever asked for their opinion? And why should anyone care about it? Yet they still spout it out regardless.


And I have refuted or accepted some answers. I give further reasons as to why I think it's a flaw, too. Who are you to dictate what people should or shouldn't say? If no one should care then why do you care? You can just dismiss our posts and we wouldn't be in this situation. You obviously feel hurt about the negative feedback given to SAO and find a need to protect it from all criticisms. I'm asking to be attacked because I merely posted my opinion? Geeze, your ideology is so damn stupid that I just don't have anything to say about it besides that it embodies idiocy; I guess those who praise SAO are asking to be attacked too.


Are you and I not reading the same thread? Every other post is how bad SAO is and yes calling anything 'bad' is an insult to said thing. You're the most vocal ones I see here so can you really blame them for going with your line of thinking? I haven't dismissed anything I've addressed every issue you've thrown at me. Wow I must've been busy to have filled up +80 pages with anti-critic responses I've said it once and I'll say it again SAO is 'good' not 'great' . My advice to people undecided: ignore critics and watch it for yourself to decide if you like it or not. I accept the fact that my reasons for liking SAO are my own reasons and may not be shared by person x,y, and z.


If you actually look into the thread; I only actually provided my thoughts on it two weeks ago when we had another "debate"; I only started recently again because of a comment by Mythalian. You then attacked my opinion and here we are again. I'll even link you to where I appeared again in this thread.


So, 1 potential flaw in 25 episodes is worthy of tearing into an anime? And again do you have a timer somewhere to tell you how long it took for Kirito to die? And again I have to say that why is SAO so special in your mind when countless other anime have broken their own rules? Also if you add in the emotional surge into nerve gear then its possible that its what allowed Kirito to maintain himself long enough to take down Heathcliff. 1 flaw does not kill a series.


My timer is his death animation scene which, I concluded from the Resurrection Item thing, to be approximately 10 seconds. From when he starts to glow to when his avatar shatters; that is 10 full seconds. And where did you get this information about emotions controlling the NerveGear? The Wikia lacks information on how it works and I don't recall the show showing any of that.


Notice the bold It adds to the atmosphere and realism of the -verse. People are shown to be living in their new reality and how they've decided to adapt to it. This to me is a good point of the show, and I know it doesn't appeal to everyone hence why I refer to it as something I like.


And that line wasn't about the psychological examination but the other other points I brought up; you failed to read this fucking part:



There, I underlined, bold, and italicized that portion for you so you can hone your reading comprehension and understand what I mean.

I grow weary of this discussion; it is obvious that you're not open to criticism and willingly dismiss all of the points I bring up. You ignore many of my other points as well. It's tiring to have such back-and-forth discussions.
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i respect your opinion but you suck lol
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I play an mmo and see all the item windows, I, for one, doubt anyone wants to be forced into seeing them in an anime. Its background info and not important to the overall story. As far as the other anime go, I have no need to rewatch them as I actually did my own research into weapons and didn't need the animes to tell me.



Exactly 'critical thinkers' and how many people do you think fall into this category? Are you asking for special treatment because of this?



Thus they have not been 'dismissed' but have been 'addressed'. Who are you to dictate what an anime should or shouldn't do? To decide what is a 'flaw' and what is not? Critics ask for the pushback they get because they usually over-emphasize things or blow things out of proportion, then don't expect any pushback or else someone is trying to silence them. Again I state that this isn't exclusive to SAO, if you were to go over-analytical on a manga/cd/tv show/etc I'd also step in to tear apart the argument. Overly-Pro-SAO people would get the same response as the anti-SAO people are as this can hurt the series as well, though not nearly as much.


And you're not the only one I'm talking about. This whole thread's basis is how "SAO's plot has been ruined" very discussion oriented /sarcasm. I saw opinions and responded to them (ones I've seen repeatedly on practically everywhere I go these which is part of my hatred of critics or those that claim to be them).


From listening to actual constructive people discussing it or maybe from an LN reader or maybe from Accel World since they're practically in the same world. Which of these it was I have no clue but the fact is that it fits thus I'm willing to accept it.



I wasn't taking it into the psychological aspect. I was referring to the fact that everything you've mentioned has been addressed as 'flawed' or 'bad' and yet you claim to have never called it 'bad'.


You're right and I haven't hidden that fact. When you nitpick every detail, that only you and a handful of others care about, I tend not to care too overly much. Though I haven't dismissed a single thing as I've addressed every one of them but call it whatever way you want. Either stop being overly-critical or be prepared for more since I'm not going anywhere and I'm not changing my view on critiquing as a whole.
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How do people have the energy to argue so much over this topic.
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ture, that happen to me. it had a somewhat okayish plot but that really when down hill really fast
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Oh my... This is like watching a pigeon chess game. No matter how good of a player AsuraCryin is, xCrimsonEx will knock every piece over.

Why is asking for an explanation for a plot hole bad? I mean some of us want explanations to these plot holes otherwise it's just poor writing.

Everyone's a critique!
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i think after episodes 11-14 it got strange, like i lost interest in it. but over it was still good. Episode 1-11 amazing
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I wouldn't say that considering tbh I'll admit that the writer himself would have to definitively answer some of AsuraCryin's issues. I can only say why they aren't a big deal from my perspective or how I reasoned them into feasible and not a detractor of the anime. Asking for an explanation isn't bad crucifying an anime over 1 or 2 plot holes that countless other anime have done before (and not gotten slammed as hard for) is bad, imo. True but not all of us like to yell how x-thing is horrible because of the critiques. As a writer myself, I get annoyed seeing people that have never written a thing in their life tear into small details that honestly could just have been overlooked. Writers are not perfect beings, we don't catch all our mistakes and having a group of people jump all over these small mistakes is tedious to say it kindly.

I've said it before and I'll probably say it again that SAO definitely has flaws and negative points (that are based on what I would've wanted <----this is the difference imo between me and a lot of other critics, I'm willing to admit that the negatives are based on what I would want)

Just to make sure this isn't taken the wrong way this isn't posted with a confrontational tone.
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G::: Are you sure you're not trying to piss us off?
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G::: Are you sure you're not trying to piss us off?


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the show was ruined about the time when the fanservice and incest started
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the show was ruined about the time when the fanservice and incest started


There was no incest.
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What incest? (by Japanese definitions cousin pairings are not incest). Besides try Aki-Sora or Yosuga no Sora if want a true 'incest' and try Freezing, Seikon no Qwazer, So I can't Play H, etc for more examples of fanservice. In both these aspects SAO barely comes close to matching any of the mentioned.
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Lets face the facts:

Kirito is Gary Stue.

For those that don't know what a Gary Stue is, it's the male version of a Mary Sue.

A fictional character, usually female, whose implausible talents and likeableness weaken the story.


Every time he has been struggling in a battle, he has called upon his Gary Stue powers to win the fight.


Every female character in this show who has been given a name, has fallen in love with Kirito.
No seriously, the only way to avoid falling in love with Kirito if you are a female character is to never tell your name.

The "Beater/Cheater" haters. Absolutely moronic to a degree that can't even be explained because it was so stupid.
Why the hell would you have a freaking witch-hunt against the VERY PEOPLE WHO COULD SAVE YOU FROM THE MMO??


Deus Ex Machina. Kirito gets paralysed and just as he is about to die; 'LO AND BEHOLD THERE IS ASUNA!
Just in time to rescue him from an untimely death! Phew! What a coincident!

Kirito picks the WEAKEST race, gets told illusions are useless, somehow managed to become one of the bosses from the SAO MMO and BITES A PLAYER.
Lets look at the facts again. ILLUSION. Not transformation or anything similar. ILLUSION. You shouldn't be able to hurt anyone like Kirito did with an illusion. But it's okay! Because he is Gary Stue! Therefore his spells breaks the game.

Kirito beats a highly skilled player in ALO.



Lets not forget that the creator of this show is trying to pander to every fanservice group there is.
Big boobs? Check. Loli? Check. Implied incest brother/sister love? Check (I know they are cousins, Kirito doesn't and before it was revealed nobody else did). TENTACLE RAPE? Check. Boring characters with little to no personality? Check. Make it easy for fans to self-insert into the characters? Check.

Every female character in this game apparently can't handle their own troubles. But it's okay, because Kirito is ready to save the day for the HELPLESS WOMEN.

Asuna was helpless against pressure. Asuna loves cooking (hurf durf women kitchen sandwich), she is apparently *perfect*, she is submissive towards Kirito almost all the time. Oh and lets not forget:


I like Asuna's parents. Because they are just doing what's best for their daughter! Marrying her off to a man who is twice as old and they don't even know if she approves of it or not! Or if she loves anyone else. After all, family doesn't matter - money does. Oh and a stupid plot.

Anyway, enough about the SAO MMO.


The new bad guy in the ALO arc is the blandest shittiest bad guy ever.


Sorry, but the light novels are hardly better.

This show had tons of potential, but it squandered most of it because it wanted to pander to the audience sexual desires. And I'm getting tired of the SO ANGSTY Kirito. Mostly I'm just tired of him being Gary Stue.

Oh and did I mention that Kirito is an MMO addict? Because he is. Just re-watch that scene where the bartender dude shows him the ALO game. He was clearly more focused on the game itself and keen on playing it, and than rescuing Asuna - till the bartende dude just coughed to break the MMO-addiction-spell. Kirito's "flawless never back down" moral compass gets tedious as well.


At the end of the day, I only watch this show to laugh at how bad it is.


Here, have an image that sum up the current arc of SAO quite nicely:




LMAO . I have to agree with you on most of it. I do find it ridiculous how Kirito was still alive, when he had his last fight in SAO. I find he should have dyed like everyone else, but for some messed up reason they kept him hanging there. I also don't find why every chick he came across had to fall for him, either. the cousin thing wasn't necessary, since he had so many females to pick from.
I enjoyed the anime by the beginning, but the other half was just kinda weird. I don't find they should have forced that one into the show.
but never the less, I still liked the anime.

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I liked it, plot and all. I felt that the first episodes were choppy though; I wished the producers would've introduced more of the game elements and Kirito leveling up. But I enjoyed my weekly watch of SAO, and despite its flaws, it is not a crap anime.
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