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Sword Art Online: Plot being ruined.
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As an MMO player myself, the game mechanics in the anime was too simple. Sword slashing... that was it. They didn't elaborate on how you have to figure out ways to defeat a boss... it was just slashing.


You must enjoy playing one MMO since a majority of them (at least coming from Asia) is point and click/hack and slash.


Have you ever played an MMO? Even the worst ones have at least 10 skills available.

In Sword Art Online (the anime) they didn't mention any skills except Kirito's simple slash.
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I enjoy this series and look forward to watching the new one when it comes out every week. Gotta admit its better than dwelling on the dismal ending of Accel World, or to just sit on my ass waiting for the second season of High School of the Dead.
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I love this series and I like this arc but that is probably because I already know what to expect since I read the light novel. The gun arc is interesting to me as well but the one after that is just too sad for me. All in all love it or hate it, its your opinion.
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What happens in the one after that?
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Posted 11/27/12

GayAsianBoy wrote:


FallenYmir wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
As an MMO player myself, the game mechanics in the anime was too simple. Sword slashing... that was it. They didn't elaborate on how you have to figure out ways to defeat a boss... it was just slashing.


You must enjoy playing one MMO since a majority of them (at least coming from Asia) is point and click/hack and slash.


Have you ever played an MMO? Even the worst ones have at least 10 skills available.

In Sword Art Online (the anime) they didn't mention any skills except Kirito's simple slash.


Um... watch episode 1 again. Different slash/moves = different skills.

Episode 2 showed a bunch of sword skills.
Episode 14 showed sword skills used by some with Kirito using one to attack Heathcliff and reveal he was Kayaba.
Heathcliff uses the Horizontal Cut skill.
Starburst Stream is a pre-set combo in the system for Dual Blades.

That was just 1,2 and 14. Asuna was going to use a SS with that knife, etc. busy to look for more but you get the idea.

There are sword skills, you just didn't pay attention.
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Yep, said the exact same thing on another discussion. The Sister being in love and the new Rapist Villain.
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Still lots of suspense. With new interesting developments. This show is not getting worse. it's getting better.
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It is following the source material very well and by the way nothing EVER happens between Kazuto and his sister.
My opinion is different though since I have read the books and love that the anime is such a good adaptation.
Oh and I think ep 24 or 25 will be awesome depending on if they include an epilogue ep.
Cant wait till Alicization turning comes out, it's just a pity no legal English copies of the books have been released as I would love to own them and support the author.
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Posted 11/27/12

FallenYmir wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:


FallenYmir wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
As an MMO player myself, the game mechanics in the anime was too simple. Sword slashing... that was it. They didn't elaborate on how you have to figure out ways to defeat a boss... it was just slashing.


You must enjoy playing one MMO since a majority of them (at least coming from Asia) is point and click/hack and slash.


Have you ever played an MMO? Even the worst ones have at least 10 skills available.

In Sword Art Online (the anime) they didn't mention any skills except Kirito's simple slash.


Um... watch episode 1 again. Different slash/moves = different skills.

Episode 2 showed a bunch of sword skills.
Episode 14 showed sword skills used by some with Kirito using one to attack Heathcliff and reveal he was Kayaba.
Heathcliff uses the Horizontal Cut skill.
Starburst Stream is a pre-set combo in the system for Dual Blades.

That was just 1,2 and 14. Asuna was going to use a SS with that knife, etc. busy to look for more but you get the idea.

There are sword skills, you just didn't pay attention.


Just end the argument that the game lets you develop individual skills unique to a certain person. Also add in the the fact that a user can attack how he or she pleases and not restricted to a certain define set of basic attacks.
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I have to say I kinda agree. The first arc had so much suspense and plot was seamless. Everything seems to move forward with a singular purpose. The goal was to beat the game and we saw how life was inside of it. Now, even though I know the goal is to save Asuna, it still seems somewhat choppy and episodic. It's like a movie sequel that doesn't live up to the original. I'm not saying it's horrible. These are just reasons why it's not as good as the first arc in my opinion.

I don't much care for the whole kissing-cousins thing either. It doesn't matter that they haven't done anything or that they're not brother and sister. They're still kin and one likes another one in a non-familial way. But that's just me.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:


FallenYmir wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
As an MMO player myself, the game mechanics in the anime was too simple. Sword slashing... that was it. They didn't elaborate on how you have to figure out ways to defeat a boss... it was just slashing.


You must enjoy playing one MMO since a majority of them (at least coming from Asia) is point and click/hack and slash.


Have you ever played an MMO? Even the worst ones have at least 10 skills available.

In Sword Art Online (the anime) they didn't mention any skills except Kirito's simple slash.


I do agree the anime could of been a lot better and is utterly a disappointment.

Overall i think trying to compare a game where you are personally running around handling a sword yourself to current MMO's is impossible. You could compare .Hack as it was just throwing on a visor and using a controller much like the upcoming Occulus. But full-dive with control of the 5 senses, use your imagination are you gonna want to spin in circles and do all sorts of crazy moves current MMO's have? Skills had to be based on a humans body, taking account of things like dizziness, balance, physics, etc. Combat systems in current games haven't evolved since MUDs, something like this can go way past the simple dice based combat systems current mmos and rpgs use.

In SAO there was as many sword skills as current MMO, while the novels did not cover them all it brought up a lot and insinuated the rest. ALO sword-skills are nonexistent and the system is purely skill based meaning you freely control your avatar for combat. This means most players are pretty unskilled in melee and prefer magic and basic direct melee attacks; high level sword play is rare. Kirito spent two years mechanically reproducing sword skills in SAO much like going to a dojo to train, as well as he had basic kendo experience as a kid. This concept of using VR worlds to train isn't new even now military, pilots, and several other fields use something similar to repetitively learn tasks that would cost millions to do for real.

The novels main focus seems to be more on the VR technology than the details of the MMOs. The MMO's, the girls and their issues, aren't nearly as well described as the tech was. He was even dropping hints at the Accel World technology in the later SAO novels. I found the tech more exciting than the games really so maybe that's just me. As an engineer and MMO player since they first came out, id much rather see the tech than any of these games.

Ah, and most games imported from Asia are dumbed down for the western market to where they are hardly recognizable. I can guess which game your referring to and it isn't a majority. Most gamers in the US are spoiled little kids who just want everything handed to them, which gives us this current situation of a bunch of shitty games which wont change for a few more years. I can assure you not one MMO out right now has any challenging content, as its generally all beaten within a week of its release minus a few encounters which may take a month. Original pre-wow mmos had bosses that went unbeaten for entire expansions, and lots of content that only a handful of guilds could beat. PvP servers were dominated by a few guilds as there was no hiding in instances. Games were way different before hand-holding theme parks became the norm.

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FallenYmir wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:


FallenYmir wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
As an MMO player myself, the game mechanics in the anime was too simple. Sword slashing... that was it. They didn't elaborate on how you have to figure out ways to defeat a boss... it was just slashing.


You must enjoy playing one MMO since a majority of them (at least coming from Asia) is point and click/hack and slash.


Have you ever played an MMO? Even the worst ones have at least 10 skills available.

In Sword Art Online (the anime) they didn't mention any skills except Kirito's simple slash.


Um... watch episode 1 again. Different slash/moves = different skills.

Episode 2 showed a bunch of sword skills.
Episode 14 showed sword skills used by some with Kirito using one to attack Heathcliff and reveal he was Kayaba.
Heathcliff uses the Horizontal Cut skill.
Starburst Stream is a pre-set combo in the system for Dual Blades.

That was just 1,2 and 14. Asuna was going to use a SS with that knife, etc. busy to look for more but you get the idea.

There are sword skills, you just didn't pay attention.


You missed the point of my original comment.

My point was the game mechanics in the game was simple; the lack of skills is just one example.

In a real MMO, there are:


Stats you have to work around: HP, MP, vitality, toughness, power, precision etc

Which armour is better for your classes.

There are three main classes: Healing, tank or damage class.


All of these aspects were not addressed in the anime.


And if you read my original comment, the simplicity of the game mechanic is not the only reason why this anime is mediocre.
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The novels main focus seems to be more on the VR technology than the details of the MMOs. The MMO's, the girls and their issues, aren't nearly as well described as the tech was. He was even dropping hints at the Accel World technology in the later SAO novels. I found the tech more exciting than the games really so maybe that's just me. As an engineer and MMO player since they first came out, id much rather see the tech than any of these games.


That's what I like about this series, the sci-fi element, but they neglected to stay true to the sci-fi element and just focused on drama/shoujo elements.




Ah, and most games imported from Asia are dumbed down for the western market to where they are hardly recognizable. I can guess which game your referring to and it isn't a majority. Most gamers in the US are spoiled little kids who just want everything handed to them, which gives us this current situation of a bunch of shitty games which wont change for a few more years. I can assure you not one MMO out right now has any challenging content, as its generally all beaten within a week of its release minus a few encounters which may take a month. Original pre-wow mmos had bosses that went unbeaten for entire expansions, and lots of content that only a handful of guilds could beat. PvP servers were dominated by a few guilds as there was no hiding in instances. Games were way different before hand-holding theme parks became the norm.


Yeah, there are MMO's out there that require strategies and using the different skills effectively to beat something.
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Sorry, but if anyone is having high expectations from this show - you should try to look at it differently. Thinking highly of this show is akin to being delusional.


Lets face the facts:

Kirito is Gary Stue.

For those that don't know what a Gary Stue is, it's the male version of a Mary Sue.

A fictional character, usually female, whose implausible talents and likeableness weaken the story.


Every time he has been struggling in a battle, he has called upon his Gary Stue powers to win the fight.


Every female character in this show who has been given a name, has fallen in love with Kirito.
No seriously, the only way to avoid falling in love with Kirito if you are a female character is to never tell your name.

The "Beater/Cheater" haters. Absolutely moronic to a degree that can't even be explained because it was so stupid.
Why the hell would you have a freaking witch-hunt against the VERY PEOPLE WHO COULD SAVE YOU FROM THE MMO??


Deus Ex Machina. Kirito gets paralysed and just as he is about to die; 'LO AND BEHOLD THERE IS ASUNA!
Just in time to rescue him from an untimely death! Phew! What a coincident!

Kirito picks the WEAKEST race, gets told illusions are useless, somehow managed to become one of the bosses from the SAO MMO and BITES A PLAYER.
Lets look at the facts again. ILLUSION. Not transformation or anything similar. ILLUSION. You shouldn't be able to hurt anyone like Kirito did with an illusion. But it's okay! Because he is Gary Stue! Therefore his spells breaks the game.

Kirito beats a highly skilled player in ALO.



Lets not forget that the creator of this show is trying to pander to every fanservice group there is.
Big boobs? Check. Loli? Check. Implied incest brother/sister love? Check (I know they are cousins, Kirito doesn't and before it was revealed nobody else did). TENTACLE RAPE? Check. Boring characters with little to no personality? Check. Make it easy for fans to self-insert into the characters? Check.

Every female character in this game apparently can't handle their own troubles. But it's okay, because Kirito is ready to save the day for the HELPLESS WOMEN.

Asuna was helpless against pressure. Asuna loves cooking (hurf durf women kitchen sandwich), she is apparently *perfect*, she is submissive towards Kirito almost all the time. Oh and lets not forget:


I like Asuna's parents. Because they are just doing what's best for their daughter! Marrying her off to a man who is twice as old and they don't even know if she approves of it or not! Or if she loves anyone else. After all, family doesn't matter - money does. Oh and a stupid plot.

Anyway, enough about the SAO MMO.


The new bad guy in the ALO arc is the blandest shittiest bad guy ever.


Sorry, but the light novels are hardly better.

This show had tons of potential, but it squandered most of it because it wanted to pander to the audience sexual desires. And I'm getting tired of the SO ANGSTY Kirito. Mostly I'm just tired of him being Gary Stue.

Oh and did I mention that Kirito is an MMO addict? Because he is. Just re-watch that scene where the bartender dude shows him the ALO game. He was clearly more focused on the game itself and keen on playing it, and than rescuing Asuna - till the bartende dude just coughed to break the MMO-addiction-spell. Kirito's "flawless never back down" moral compass gets tedious as well.



At the end of the day, I only watch this show to laugh at how bad it is.


Here, have an image that sum up the current arc of SAO quite nicely:




You know if everyone thought like you every time they watched anything, nobody would like anything.

I mean you're being way to critical about this, I didn't go as far to think of the show as that, and you're just ruining the mood <.< You will probably tell me to get off my ass and stop acting like a fanboy right now, but I don't care, I liked it for what it is, and that is all. You think too much about a series, I feel bad for you, there are probably a low amount of series that you actually like-.-
I don't think I will take the time to write all the counter arguments to all of this that I can come to think of -.- Cause I'm too lazy to write<.<
But I can tell you that if you think this is a series that is just using every fan service out there, its the same thing if you look at any "high school" drama, comedy, everything out there, its all based on the thing everyone loves about it, I personally don't know what it is with all these high school anime's, because I'm rather new to watching anime, but I can tell they are fun to watch most of them.. *coughschooldayscough* -.- What I'm saying, you shouldn't ust dislike a anime because it's using overused things, because it might be good even though it's overused.
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I get what your saying about missing the original concept. As for kirito still being serious, you have to remember he is a kid, around 13 years old? And he just finally got out of a death game he was stuck in for two years. That game became his reality and so he is still mentally recovering from it. So it makes sense that he takes the game so seriously because of the trauma of SAO.
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