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Nearly all Harem Genres Sucks
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Posted 12/5/12
I don't like harem anime, but I enjoy reverse harem stuff XD
Hmm, maybe that has something to do with my sex...

To elaborate further, I find that reverse harem anime tends to be more... serious, and more respectful of the harem characters (i.e not over-sexualizing the men). I have not watched every reverse harem, so obviously there may be ones that do this. I am also only speaking of general-audience shows, as I do not watch adult stuff.
Compare that with harem anime, that almost always over-sexualizes and exploits the women for fan-service. I find it disgusting. You may argue that there's not as much exploiting to do with men, but that's besides the point. It's like the only worth of a woman in anime nowadays is either fan-service or cuteness. This is not every case, though, so please don't take it as meaning such. I'm just generalizing.
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Greylurker wrote:


AutumnsHollow wrote:

I agree that most ecchi and harem shows are shit, but I do like some.

Such as Oh My Goddess!, and Love Hina. I think they're funny.



I've never really considered Oh My Goddess a Harem.

There is only 1 girl after the male character and that's Belldandy.

Every other character in the series exists either to push them together or break them up but none of them are actually interested in Keichi.

Urd wants her sister to be happy so she tries to put them together (with ....varying levels of success)
Skuld wants her sister to herself so she tries to break them up
Mara wants the goddesses gone so she attacks them

and so on.

but none of them are after Keichi.

Oh My Goddess is a romance about Belldandy and Keichi. Everything else is the challenges he has to over come for them to be together.





I completely agree with your assessment, and couldn't have said it better myself.

I called it a harem, because that was the way it was advertised to me.The reason it was advertised to me that way was probably. because of Peorth. I don't agree it's a harem, but that was the genre it was under when I found the anime.

I think some people tend to just label shows with more then one female main character as a harem, or ecchi. Maybe, because of past experiences or they're just sick of it, so they write some shows off.

For example, if you take a look at Chobits, it has quite nothing on some other shows labeled "ecchi" as well. But it's considered a ecchi anime.

Every scene that might be considered "ecchI", in Chobits actually had a purpose, such as finding comedic value by poking fun of serious situations, to show how things are in their world, or it had serious overtones. It didn't just shove panties in your face for no reason at all. Sure, there might have been some sexual suggestions, but almost every romance anime has those implied in one way or another.

An example of the opposite is is Air Gear, which shoves it's "ecchi" down your throat. Showing you women on the toilet, and quite more for almost no reason at all.

I think it comes down the person in question watching the harem/ecchi show. If the first one they watched was likable, they'll be more inclined on trying a new one without thinking it's going to be a horrible show before it even starts.

If they watched one they thought sucked, they'll be more jaded towards the rest of the genre. They'd probably make general assumptions about the genre in whole without watching any more shows in said genre.
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Rosario Vampire..... 2nd worst anime i ever seen. #1 is Kiddy Grade.
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Rosario Vampire..... 2nd worst anime i ever seen. #1 is Kiddy Grade.


Kiddy Grade is awesome! :O
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I don't like anime with main characters who are too strong. i like the uphill climb. I don't mind them being strong eventually, just when they start off that way it sux. panty shots took away from my ability to take Eclaire seriously. Alv is my fav, next is Eclipse.
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Juice_Man wrote:

Rosario Vampire..... 2nd worst anime i ever seen. #1 is Kiddy Grade.


Why mention kiddy grade?
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in case someone asked whats number 1 on my most hated list. Not a Harem, but Rosario Vampire is, and its number 2 on my most hated list. Those are from all categories. overall my two most hated. Number 3 is probably season 2 of Rosario Vampire.
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So, when you have a genre called 'harem'...that's probably your first clue that suck abounds. Now, I do believe that you can make something good out of anything, but also believe that sometimes it isn't worth the effort. Or, in other words, I would argue something can only be good despite being harem, not good because of it.

Now, people can like whatever they want (although I'd really rather they didn't...), but I sincerely hope they can distinguish between personal enjoyment and actually quality. For example, I like every single Yu-Gi-Oh! series. Even GX, even ZEXAL. But I know they're bad. I'm about a third of the way through A Certain Scientific Railgun. Very fun, kind of awesome, and pretty bad. Oh, and I like Bleach - it doesn't get much more worse than that!

So if I can tell the difference between enjoyment and quality, you damn well ought to be able to do the same.


Juice_Man wrote:

in case someone asked whats number 1 on my most hated list. Not a Harem, but Rosario Vampire is, and its number 2 on my most hated list. Those are from all categories. overall my two most hated. Number 3 is probably season 2 of Rosario Vampire.

You just wanted to put Rosario + Vampire on the list twice.
Rosario has its own special place in my Halls of Eternal Hatred because a friend recommended it to me. So rather than quitting after 3 episodes/minutes, I kept watching, assuming it was going to get better.
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I find them amusing once in a blue moon.....I notice its mostly when I'm really stressed out (with school, life in general). All of a sudden I pick up the first harem I run into, stuff like Mayo Chiki, Kiss x sis and MM! to name a few.

Now ecchi, thats a different story. I just find them irritating..... Rosario and Vampire, Demon King Daimao, Kanokon, etc. Absolute waste of my time and I hate myself for completing them.
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The worst thing about Rosario + Vampire is that the Manga is actually good. It has a plot and everything and frequently goes very dark.


The anime ripped out all the good things in that series until all that was left was the Harem.

I sat through the entire first season waiting for that moment when the male lead first turns into a Ghul only to be robbed at the end.

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Thrazonn wrote:

So, when you have a genre called 'harem'...that's probably your first clue that suck abounds. Now, I do believe that you can make something good out of anything, but also believe that sometimes it isn't worth the effort. Or, in other words, I would argue something can only be good despite being harem, not good because of it.

Now, people can like whatever they want (although I'd really rather they didn't...), but I sincerely hope they can distinguish between personal enjoyment and actually quality. For example, I like every single Yu-Gi-Oh! series. Even GX, even ZEXAL. But I know they're bad. I'm about a third of the way through A Certain Scientific Railgun. Very fun, kind of awesome, and pretty bad. Oh, and I like Bleach - it doesn't get much more worse than that!

So if I can tell the difference between enjoyment and quality, you damn well ought to be able to do the same.


Juice_Man wrote:

in case someone asked whats number 1 on my most hated list. Not a Harem, but Rosario Vampire is, and its number 2 on my most hated list. Those are from all categories. overall my two most hated. Number 3 is probably season 2 of Rosario Vampire.

You just wanted to put Rosario + Vampire on the list twice.
Rosario has its own special place in my Halls of Eternal Hatred because a friend recommended it to me. So rather than quitting after 3 episodes/minutes, I kept watching, assuming it was going to get better.


if you can see me I'd clapped for you
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Posted 12/6/12

Greylurker wrote:

The worst thing about Rosario + Vampire is that the Manga is actually good. It has a plot and everything and frequently goes very dark.


The anime ripped out all the good things in that series until all that was left was the Harem.

I sat through the entire first season waiting for that moment when the male lead first turns into a Ghul only to be robbed at the end.



That image is pretty funny but also inaccurate. While the character development part is indeed true for the most part, the anime does indeed have a plot.
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I enjoy harem, but I do agree that most of the boys are sissys.
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Posted 1/18/13
It depends on the quality of the show as with all genres.
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FLjerry2011 wrote:

It depends on the quality of the show as with all genres.


Agreed. Also the OP whines too much.
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