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As many of us know, Gintoki was somehow affected by the Anti-Foreigner War. I believe he has some form of post tramautic stress.

Here is why :

In the earlier episodes of Gintama (noteably when Shinpachi and Kagura were still somewhat new in Gintoki's life): Gintoki was very apathetic for the most part. It was noted by many people that he had "dead fish eyes" and that he seems so unmotivated. I surmise that Gintoki simply doesn't want too think too much /worry too much about the world around him.... perhaps he didn't want to have something precious again that might be lost (like how his comrades were slain by the Amanto). Takasugi also notes that Gintoki's "fangs" were removed in episode 13 ..... indicating that he is no longer passionate/angry about the war (perhaps Gintoki doesn't want to be reminded of it).

Gintoki has hope, but is also kinda weary about his relationship with Shinpachi/Kagura. On the one hand he has a precious familial relationship with them , but also he is somewhat weary that he will lose his friends again. (This is kinda why he still has nightmares like the one in the Benizukara arc). This is also why he sometimes can barely hold in his subdued rage. For example, in four devas arc.... Gintoki , he just snapped when Otose was injured... not just angry, he snapped. Gintoki might have didn't want to lose his fragile peace maintained by Otose and his friends.... his worst nightmare has come true... he may have failed to protect his "mother" (Otose). In the Kintama arc, even though Gintoki claims that he is fine with Shinpachi and Kagura forgetting them as long as they live a good life.... but ..... I think that he lying to himself. This is evident when Gintoki goes very sadistic on Kintoki. I mean its one thing if he protects Tama from Kintoki..... and to stop Kintoki's reign.... but he went very sadistic especially during the mantama portion (ie : he purposelly took everything away from kintoki). I think his actions are partially because he still has some mental instabilties that would make snap and become sadistic... due to his PTSD.... which is worse when people hurt his friends .

Another evident thing as to why the war affected Gintoki is how Otose and Gintoki first met. You see Gintoki claims he went to the graveyard to eat the food that Otose placed in front of her husband's grave.... but think about it.... how did Gintoki know there would be food there in the first place ? I think he went to the graveyard to die there (Gintoki had no family at the time, so he wouldn't be visiting someone, and no normal person goes to a graveyard for food) .... so I think he was giving up hope. Fortunately , Gintoki was "adopted" by Otose... and now he is trying to live out a normal life.

It is also kind interesting to wonder why Gintoki decided to become on Odd Jobs man instead of say becoming a body guard for some rich big wig. I think one of the partial reasons why he decided to do so was so that he can meet as much people as possible, thereby forming connections (but not too deep , otherwise he may fear losing them) with as much people as possible> to give him more hope ...

Well that was my rant, again there are some flaws in my arguement, and ofc I might be overthinking things... but it makes for interesting conversation.
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I have thought similar things about Gintoki, Katsura, Takasugi and Sakamoto.

The ones I believe MIGHT have it are Gintoki and Takasugi. Katsura is still fighting his war and Sakamoto made peace with his past already.

There is a problem with attributing PTSD with Gintoki though, which part is his emotions colored by his past and which part is just Gintoki being Gintoki? It's very hard to tell since we don't have a true clear picture of what he was like before the war AND during the war. All we really have is after the war is over. Sure, we do get brief glimpses of his past but not enough to make a clear cut determination of "Yes, this is PTSD."

We have a lot less information on Takasugi too ... I just would like to believe he has PTSD or else he's just a prick.

Breaking down each paragraph:

1st Paragraph: I rarely say this but I think you may be looking into it a bit too much. Gintoki is lazy. Being lazy is apart of his personality. Apathy helps him be lazy. However, we know he's not apathetic already otherwise he wouldn't go around helping people all the time. I think he'd rather not be bothered by those things if he could help it though.

2nd Paragraph:Yes, I believe he is cautious now because of watching his friends die. I just feel that way. No true hard proof but it makes a lot of sense.

3rd Paragraph: In Japanese culture, people regularly leave food for the deceased so it's hard to determine if that was him trying to die since the reason seems plausible. I do think this, he was at a very low point in his life when Otose rescued him so your explanation is also plausible. Another thing that may be plausible is that he was hiding out after the war ended from the Amanto and the government. Since people leave food for the dead and not many people visit graveyards regularly ...... All of them are plausible. It would take someone who knows each and every episode inside and out to break that down and unfortunately, I'm not one of those people.

4th Paragraph: Again, I think you may be overthinking it a bit. Otose took him in and told him to get a job so he probably just took one so he could be lazy and scrape by. Doing "Odd Jobs" for people sounds simple enough. He'd have money for Pachinko, Sake and Strawberry Milk so why not? Again, I don't know every episode inside and out but I bet you it was a half-assed second thought that he just got caught up in. Cause he's lazy. I doubt he thought far ahead about "connections" or anything like that lol.


I enjoyed it! I'm glad I wasn't the only one playing around with the idea in my head and hopefully whenever they choose to do his childhood and "the war" we'll see if it's true or not.

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Interesting way too look into it. Regarding the third paragraph I wasn't aware of that japanese tradition when I wrote it. I distinctly remember Takasugi saying something in episode 13 (or was it 17, I forget) about how Gintoki is apathetic or the like... while we shouldn't take his words at face value.... it seemed t me o that Gintoki has become more motiveated when Shinpachi /Kagura entered his life than earlier on in the series. That could just be me though

I also think that Zura has problems of his own (not necessarily PTSD). I mean notice how his demeanor has changed before and after the Benizukara arc. He was more or less serious and passionate about changing the country (even if it meant using bombings). After the Benizukara arc, he isn't sure of his methods anymore and is trying to be peaceful. However it is noted that Zura has become the "egghead" or "whacky" guy. I mean sure sorachi could have done this just because he wanted another gag character... but if sorachi meant it for something more than maybe its because Zura is confused enough about life that he would rather live in his own little world...

I am pretty sure I am overthinking things and this is all just for the heck of discussion anyways :p
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I'll have to say yes on this one. Ask any veteran thats been to war, doesnt even have to be anime-related, and every single one of those men will tell you what nightmare they experience, the harsh reality of seein their comrades die in the fields of battle. Even to this day, those soldiers cannot take out such memory however much it pains them.

Seein Gintoki fight his war at such an age, I wont be surprised if he's suffered the same kind.

However, I might have to disagree with you regardin that cemetery scene where he was grabbin food. Its an asian custom to indeed leave food for the dead at cemeteries and sadly, some of the homeless tend to take food from those offerings due to utmost hunger. Note, I said MIGHT as they dont fully stress Gintoki's plan of simply dyin.

Another reason too why I agree w/ you regardin the way he'd snap when it comes to losin ppl he protects is due to Hijikata Toushirou. His way of growin up may not be very similar to Gintoki, but he had it rough himself. Hence, brandishin a knife at age 7 to protect the man that was a father-figure to him after he's been hurt, had awaken that demon. That imagery of losin someone, can make any person snap. This is one reason why Hijikata seems to have a wall around himself, despite bein surrounded by his men. To get too close means to care for someone, and that someone dyin, he cant afford to bear. Hence, in Mitsuba's case where he knows she cannot have a future w/ him due to his path of violence, he's pushed her away, hopin she'd lead a much better life..... but for such a tragic cost later on. Hijikata and Gintoki have that demonic instinct within em. I strongly believe Gin was never de-fanged to begin with, he is, as you yourself noted, just merely bein passive tryin to forget a past. Only difference b/w these 2 characters is Gintoki gets ppl surroundin and lovin him bc he opens his door to friendship.... while Hijikata would rather gain respect from ppl but personal-wise he'd rather steer clear from it, and use that demonic instinct of his as part of his duty.

As for that part of why Gin would rather be an Odd Jobs Man than servin some big wig, I believe its bc of 2 things --- #1 even if he seems "de-fanged" he still has the heart of the samurai. Lake Toya may not be as sharp as a katana, and even if there be Amantos everywhere in Edo, and Samurais looked down upon (no thx to Tokugawa Sada Sada), he will not destroy his belief to be some bodyguard of a politician or any such sort. (this bit of concept reminds me of Jin of Samurai Champloo who doesnt desire to be a bodyguard of anyone due to his strong cling to the Bushido Code).... and #2 he's tired and he just wants things easy now like some old man (which is why we misinterpret his image as bein much older than Toshi).. hence he's bein a lazy old fart.


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zura and i don't have PTSD. or at least it doesn't look like it for zura.
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Interesting way too look into it. Regarding the third paragraph I wasn't aware of that japanese tradition when I wrote it. I distinctly remember Takasugi saying something in episode 13 (or was it 17, I forget) about how Gintoki is apathetic or the like... while we shouldn't take his words at face value.... it seemed t me o that Gintoki has become more motiveated when Shinpachi /Kagura entered his life than earlier on in the series. That could just be me though


Nah it's not just you. I agree and I think -Sovereign- described it best about keeping a wall up after being scarred by traumatic experiences. I think he's let his guard down A LOT since the beginning of Gintama. That's for sure. Especially where Shinpachi/Kagura are concerned. He's accepted that he may lose those people but it's worth the effort and pain to keep them around.



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Another reason too why I agree w/ you regardin the way he'd snap when it comes to losin ppl he protects is due to Hijikata Toushirou. His way of growin up may not be very similar to Gintoki, but he had it rough himself. Hence, brandishin a knife at age 7 to protect the man that was a father-figure to him after he's been hurt, had awaken that demon. That imagery of losin someone, can make any person snap. This is one reason why Hijikata seems to have a wall around himself, despite bein surrounded by his men. To get too close means to care for someone, and that someone dyin, he cant afford to bear. Hence, in Mitsuba's case where he knows she cannot have a future w/ him due to his path of violence, he's pushed her away, hopin she'd lead a much better life..... but for such a tragic cost later on. Hijikata and Gintoki have that demonic instinct within em. I strongly believe Gin was never de-fanged to begin with, he is, as you yourself noted, just merely bein passive tryin to forget a past. Only difference b/w these 2 characters is Gintoki gets ppl surroundin and lovin him bc he opens his door to friendship.... while Hijikata would rather gain respect from ppl but personal-wise he'd rather steer clear from it, and use that demonic instinct of his as part of his duty.

As for that part of why Gin would rather be an Odd Jobs Man than servin some big wig, I believe its bc of 2 things --- #1 even if he seems "de-fanged" he still has the heart of the samurai. Lake Toya may not be as sharp as a katana, and even if there be Amantos everywhere in Edo, and Samurais looked down upon (no thx to Tokugawa Sada Sada), he will not destroy his belief to be some bodyguard of a politician or any such sort. (this bit of concept reminds me of Jin of Samurai Champloo who doesnt desire to be a bodyguard of anyone due to his strong cling to the Bushido Code).... and #2 he's tired and he just wants things easy now like some old man (which is why we misinterpret his image as bein much older than Toshi).. hence he's bein a lazy old fart.




^THIS. So this. I'd expand on it but I think he nailed Hijikata and Gintoki "down pat".

I also never considered Gintoki's samurai spirit still being in-tact as the reason why he couldn't take a body-guard job. Now that I have, it makes a LOT of sense why he would do Odd-Jobs. Belonging to no-one and being able to keep his spirit intact.

I also agree, he's not de-fanged at all. He's just choosing to live a more peaceful life. Probably to heal his wounds from the war .... and partly to be lazy.
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In Japanese culture, they do leave the food or offerings on the grave, however the reason Gin-san was there has something to do with his past. Recall where Shouyo-sensei first found Gin.... I can't spoil it lol
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funnyginsan wrote:

I also never considered Gintoki's samurai spirit still being in-tact as the reason why he couldn't take a body-guard job. Now that I have, it makes a LOT of sense why he would do Odd-Jobs. Belonging to no-one and being able to keep his spirit intact.

I also agree, he's not de-fanged at all. He's just choosing to live a more peaceful life. Probably to heal his wounds from the war .... and partly to be lazy.


-nods-...Indeed, we tend to forget Gintoki's samurai spirit in relation to his preferred occupation due to all the whackiness he's been doin in the series. I tend to overlook this myself, but when scenes pop up where he gives his words of wisdom or fightscenes mostly reflected on arcs, I had to stop and realize where this man's comin from.



Santi-kun wrote:

In Japanese culture, they do leave the food or offerings on the grave, however the reason Gin-san was there has something to do with his past. Recall where Shouyo-sensei first found Gin.... I can't spoil it lol


Now that you mentioned this, I do remember this part in the series. I agree on this... but I also consider funnyginsan's point of view regarding hiding away after the war. I'll have to admit that I aint familiar with the Purge that came after the said conflict, but if those involved in the opposition are bein hunted down as an aftermath, then it can be possible that Gintoki was led to such place, not only for the memory of a sensei but for best refuge.
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Well, I read most of everyone's post, and I can agree that Gintoki might have had PTSD or something of that sort earlier in the series, but note that later on, the more you watch it, you recognize that he's holding he's, how do you say this, "anger" or "grief" of losing someone back, the more he spends time with Shinpachi, Kagura and the people he gradually met in Kabuki-cho. The only times he really ever snapped was when he thought that one of his comrades REALLY died, like when he saw Otose get injured by Jiroucho, and Gintoki thinking that she was really dead.

Maybe you can say that the Kintoki arc has helped Gintoki overcome some sort of trauma, or the fear of losing people, since at that point he must've realized that the people, no matter how hard he tries to alienate, or shut himself, or maybe brainwash them, that Gintoki will always have the bonds he created, and that he can live a normal life...ha ha...WoW, re-reading this makes this sound so cheesy...ha ha
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Well the latest episode made it quite obvious if it wasn't obvious before that he still has quite the issues.
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