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Feds reverse decision on concealed weapons
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Feds reverse previous laws banning concealed weapons in order to uphold the right to bear arms/self-defense.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/16951312-418/federal-appeals-court-tosses-state-ban-on-carrying-concealed-weapons.html

To me, living in a small city, where two gang leaders recently offed each other AND each others' male heirs, where even in the hills' gated communities, day-time robberies aren't blinked at, I'm fine with it.

I'll start with saying that I worked at a pressure washing service when I was younger. We often ended up in gangland between 2-5am, because the station managers didn't want to disrupt service. Except for one of us, the rest of we employees were fine with it. We're jaded to crimes. Shit happens combined with nobody fucks with some random joe on the street past 2am equals the relaxed California stereotype. Mostly true, except our elitist conservatives(wannabes).


ILLEGAL GUNS count for most gun related murders.

You see someone pointing a gun at you, you pull out yours and start firing.

Not by any means a good solution, but better than bringing fists to a gunfight. You see many bystanders in the media attacking robbers, ect. But if a decent population of citizens were carrying, and he knew it, would he be as likely to try and rob while multiple people were present?

Until the government finds a way to negate ILLEGAL GUNS, those with legal guns, should be allowed to carry in self defense. IMO.

But then again, I'm a staunch constitutionalist. Revised as was necessary, and still revisable, but for and willed by the people.




What are your opinions?
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Posted 12/12/12 , edited 12/12/12
I agree. Robert Heinlen once said that an armed society is a polite society.
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I think guns should be there where there is a possibility for gang fights/murderers/etc. Because as Dtierce said -.- Nobody will even try to go after each other then -.-

But then again if it's a quiet country, then I think there shouldn't be able to carry guns around, like my country there has only been one murder in the past 20 years or so, and that guy wasn't even from our country(the one who got caught) But I guess it's a matter of preference I would like to have a Katana on me at all times <3 xD
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Did you know that we live in a police state?
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lol your paranoid
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-Vega- wrote:

Did you know that we live in a police state?


who are we? -.- A police state is a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the population. -.- And I don't think they do that where I live-.-
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JayVeeDees wrote:


-Vega- wrote:

Did you know that we live in a police state?


who are we? -.- A police state is a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the population. -.- And I don't think they do that where I live-.-


America and most parts of the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RMgYU8FaE

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BearSol, you do know the constitution only gives you the right to bear arms if you are part of a militia right? Joe schmoe public does not have any 'rights' to walk around carrying a gun. I'm really tired of people going around trying to use the constitution as an excuse to own a gun. Makes me wonder if half the people spouting that nonsense have even read the thing. Finally in the 1700's people didn't have automatic weapons. That amendment was written with hunting rifles and muskets for use against the british in mind. How does being able to shoot a guy on your doorstep with a .38 equate to that? Though I must admit those wild logs of hamburger at wally-world are very dangerous and I need my gun to hunt them.

Sorry, devolved into snarky commenting again. Having a gun-nut for a brother-in-law can do that to a guy.
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They are trying to take away our guns so that we cannot defend ourselves from the government.
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^This. Banning citizens from carrying weapons would cause a great power swing.

And, yeah, how do they think citizens should defend themselves? We obviously can't rely on the police for those split-second situations. The layers of bureaucracy are not intended for dealing with those kinds of things. When there's nothing else that can be done, people should be allowed to defend themselves, so weapons for self-defense ought to be legal. And, since guns are so often used to rob people, the average upright citizen ought to have weapons readily available to him that are as just as efficient as the weapons that will be used by the average robber. Guns.
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I believe very strongly in an individual's right to legally possess firearms. However, I wouldn't go getting excited because a Federal court agreed. Remember, the Feds are the same yahoos who wouldn't let us carry water bottles onto airplanes. . .until I see further evidence of good decision-making, I'll chalk this one up to: "Even a blind dog sometimes finds a bone."
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cbus82 wrote:

BearSol, you do know the constitution only gives you the right to bear arms if you are part of a militia right? Joe schmoe public does not have any 'rights' to walk around carrying a gun. I'm really tired of people going around trying to use the constitution as an excuse to own a gun. Makes me wonder if half the people spouting that nonsense have even read the thing. Finally in the 1700's people didn't have automatic weapons. That amendment was written with hunting rifles and muskets for use against the british in mind. How does being able to shoot a guy on your doorstep with a .38 equate to that? Though I must admit those wild logs of hamburger at wally-world are very dangerous and I need my gun to hunt them.

Sorry, devolved into snarky commenting again. Having a gun-nut for a brother-in-law can do that to a guy.


The courts have ruled citizen's have the right to bear arms.

Most state laws have it that you lose this right if your a convicted felony, diagnosed with some mental disease, etc.
Automatic weapons are also pretty much banned already. A lot of concealed carry strings, such as not in bars, restraints, school grounds, etc. (It does very by state).

My observation has been this. The less dense the population, the more likely it's pro gun. The more dense population, the more anti-gun response seems to be. In a dense city, police services can respond quickly. Near my parents, police services is a minimum of 30-45 minutes away (at best).

I also know this is one of the issues that people can have very strong feelings on and at times all you can do is agree to disagree. I personally believe citizen's have the right to responsible gun ownership myself.

Sorry about brother in law, it sucks when you try and have actually debate when you have a person believing in the extreme side of a view.


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*mans decides to rob a bank, man enters the bank and then noticed everyone carrying a gun. Man shakes with fear and tries to get away*
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-Vega- wrote:


JayVeeDees wrote:


-Vega- wrote:

Did you know that we live in a police state?


who are we? -.- A police state is a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the population. -.- And I don't think they do that where I live-.-


America and most parts of the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RMgYU8FaE



All the clips in those video's are of stupid policemen are you saying that because of their actions we are in a police state? That's just stupid. People can act like f**kt*r**s when they have some sense of power, I bet to you that those people in the video's either got fired or got suspended for a long ass time. Unless there is hard evidence to prove something like this, f.x. if they start to tell us to not have an political opinion, or something down that line, that's when it become's something on a whole different level. This is just foolish people, being stupid and think they are all mighty just because they have some sort of power on their side, they think they can get away with it, but they can't. I didn't hear anything about them not getting fired, or not getting suspended. That video lacks too much evidence for me to believe in it.
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I'm not worried. over half of the households in the united states own guns and just about every single one of them raised the way americans are (the whole dont take shit from anybody thing) would gladly rebel if the situation called for it. Angry rednecks with garage built automatics; not exactly something they would want marching on DC.
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