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Feds reverse decision on concealed weapons
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toxxin wrote:

I'm not worried. over half of the households in the united states own guns and just about every single one of them raised the way americans are (the whole dont take shit from anybody thing) would gladly rebel if the situation called for it. Angry rednecks with garage built automatics; not exactly something they would want marching on DC.


aAhaha xD I'm all for it!
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To be honest it surprises me that there aren't a lot more people against gun use here. Whenever a society develops in history you always see either legal or social suppressions of carrying of weapons (although sometimes this is limited to certain classes only, but as we (the western world) claim to be a class-less society I don't think the higher classes should be an exception here)... though I guess that's mostly just a sign of the state of development in america and no doubt you guys will catch up as well sometime soon (no offence intended of course). The discussion about the power of the state vs the combined power of the population is definitely an interesting one, however I am surprised to see americans bringing that one up, as there is no western state which controls and manipulates it's citizens as much as the US as far as I know. I mean, on one hand you have the terrorism based laws, on the other hand you have the laws allowing them to see into all data any company has about you (practically your entire life) and on top of that you have one of the strongest equipped armies... and citizens with guns won't balance that out in any way (and I haven't even started about all the brainwashing in schools). What are you gonna do? Shoot a government official because he manipulated you into thinking that what he did was right, because he knew exactly what he should and shouldn't say because he read all your mail? I know, that's something that's maybe not really relevant nowadays yet, but I am just trying to explain why it sounds so weird to bring up that argument about government power vs population power. (Not that we are so much better of in Europe, but at least for now we are a bit better off... though some laws they are considering do really worry me a lot).
Oh well, personally I would far rather see that both police and citizens aren't allowed to carry lethal weapons, by know military weaponary has developed quite a number of non lethal options as well... and even if I hate them intensely, they are definitely better than all the 'accidents' that happen with guns being stolen (in the US) or sold by government/factory people illegally (e.g. that happened in Belgium not so long ago).

edit: (Btw, I am not as negative about the US as this might sound, but I hate the way they force some of their ideas on other nations, e.g. the fact that businesses are banned if they won't disclose information from foreign customers (even if the data is saved outside the US) or forcing nations to sign agreements (politically) that they will hand over their own citizens even if they didn't do anything illegal in their own country, whilst the US will never hand over their citizens even if the citizen in question did something that's even illegal in the US... and there are many of those examples, so whenever it comes to privacy, war, citizen power and those kind of topics I might sound quite negative about the US, but I am not trying to flame, just wanted to add that after re-reading my post)
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taking guns away from citizens does not mean less guns on the street, in order to enforce less guns as a law of oppression by the government, they would need to hire more police, FBI, ATF whatever agency you want, and all of these guys have guns to use against citizens i feel like i need a gun to defend myself not only from intruders, but against a government that involves itself in my everyday life
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We have a right to bear arms and protect ourselves.

I like my state's rules. If someone breaks in brandishing a knife, and I have a firearm, if that person makes a move at me, I have a right to shoot them in self-defense. I don't have to wait around until they stab me before I can act, like people do in a lot of other places. I will not set myself up to be a victim.

While I know no one listens anymore: anything can be used as a weapon. You can take away firearms, kitchen knives and garden bricks and people would still use a fork, a platform shoe, even a shoe lace to hurt and kill.

So rather than take away our right to protect ourselves, support it. There are nasty people out there who will never get better, no matter how much therapy you put them through and how much peace and love you preach to them, they will never be rehabilitated. They will always have that screwed up corpse fetish, or revel in the agonized screams as they slice open the stomach of their latest victim to play Doctor Frankenstein with their intestines.
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I'm all for legally owned guns within reason (no automatics or sniper rifles) as long as they're properly registered and regulated as far as who they can be sold to.

It's not that hard to get a gun illegally, hell where I grew up you could buy a 9mm pistol 6 days a week out of the back of a dudes car. Unregistered and yours for just a few hundred bucks. I'm not going to make the cliche outlaw comment that everyone has heard a billion times but it is a true statement.
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The main reason we have so many illegal firearms is because we have so many guns here to begin with. I personally favor stricter gun control, but that is cause I have had more legal firearms pulled or shot at me then illegal ones. ranging from a ex's father that would walk around his house shotgun in hand to make me uncomfortable to getting shot at for repoing a car from those that didn't make payments. Heck I am rather visually impaired and had a friends neighbor pull a gun for stepping on the wrong porch to knock on the house door. I have come to detest guns with how often some jerk decides to try and assert them self with a weapon. Never fired one and don't expect to.
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I'm not really pro or anti gun control, I just feel people need to stop using the constitution as a justification first unless they are going to use the entire thing and not just snippets. As for the being robbed at gun point thing, in the time it takes to draw out my gun (which I don't have) I could just kick the guy in the nuts. Problem solved. Plus, 3 feet of cold steel and a 65lb dog are just as intimidating as a gun.
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Posted 12/13/12
Good!!
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BearSol, you do know the constitution only gives you the right to bear arms if you are part of a militia right? Joe schmoe public does not have any 'rights' to walk around carrying a gun. I'm really tired of people going around trying to use the constitution as an excuse to own a gun. Makes me wonder if half the people spouting that nonsense have even read the thing. Finally in the 1700's people didn't have automatic weapons. That amendment was written with hunting rifles and muskets for use against the british in mind. How does being able to shoot a guy on your doorstep with a .38 equate to that? Though I must admit those wild logs of hamburger at wally-world are very dangerous and I need my gun to hunt them.

Sorry, devolved into snarky commenting again. Having a gun-nut for a brother-in-law can do that to a guy.


Did you know that you really don't need to be in a militia to legally bear arms? For example... hunting?

Do you know that you can get a licence to walk around carrying a gun? Or that in some states it is perfectly legal to walk around with a pistol on your hip?

I'm really tired of people trying to use the constition as an excuse not to own a gun.

Makes me wonder if you even read my post. Didn't say anything about the amendment, other than what the feds think.

Nobody here is saying people should be walking around with assault rifles.

And who's talking about shooting Jehovah's witnesses or pizza delivery guys? Odds of being attacked from your doorstep are a lot less likely than almost anywhere else.

Sorry for countering all your snarky comments. Being attacked with falsities can do that to a guy.
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cbus82 wrote:

I'm not really pro or anti gun control, I just feel people need to stop using the constitution as a justification first unless they are going to use the entire thing and not just snippets. As for the being robbed at gun point thing, in the time it takes to draw out my gun (which I don't have) I could just kick the guy in the nuts. Problem solved. Plus, 3 feet of cold steel and a 65lb dog are just as intimidating as a gun.


How are you going to kick faster than he can pull the trigger? If you do happen to kick him in the nuts, if it is a guy, then what's to say his flinching reflex doesn't cause him to pull the trigger anyway?

I don't think the guy(s) who robbed our house when I was a child were very intimidated when they shot and killed my pitbull.
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I am socially and politically very liberal, but don't try to take my guns. I need them to shoot things. Also, I'm not registering anything. There is no reason why anyone who isn't in my home needs to know what kinds of weapons I have here.

I have carried a concealed pistol in the past, and when I feel the need I will do so again. That said, the best self-protection is using good manners and common sense. It's much easier to avoid a dangerous situation than it is to get out of one. Also, hunt with nonlead ammo. Heavy metal poisoning sucks!
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I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. To quote the third US President, Thomas Jefferson: "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
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5 men who escaped from prison were seen 30 miles away from were I live and they have not been caught yet. They have been reported to have robbed many houses and they will do anything to make sure they get their money.

When my mother told me this I went off like a rocket. I went downstairs, got my 12 gauge pumpshotgun and loaded 4 buckshot bullets in it and i taught my mom how to load it and shoot it.

I told her that if a man comes in this house to make sure it is someone we dont know and if it is........TO SHOOT AND KILL THAT PERSON (dont even hesitate if they have a weapon)


I Then loaded a 22. magnum and put it in the bathroom, loaded a 20 gauge break-open shotgun and put it on the porch, loaded a 7mm and put it in my room.

personally if it was me, i would shoot there kneecaps but if they had guns i would kill without hesitation.

My family is my responsibilty on this earth and the day one of them gets hurt is the day ive failed and i hate failing more than anything. Anyone who tries to keep me from protecting my family is not a friend. If the government tried to take my guns I would hide them. No matter what the law, if it keeps me from protecting my loved ones then i would than it is contridicting its purpose and i would keep my guns illegally anyway.

Any gun hating people out there got a better way to protect my family from 5 men who escaped from prison and are robbing houses, enlighten me.
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Jdaimond wrote:

5 men who escaped from prison were seen 30 miles away from were I live and they have not been caught yet. They have been reported to have robbed many houses and they will do anything to make sure they get their money.

When my mother told me this I went off like a rocket. I went downstairs, got my 12 gauge pumpshotgun and loaded 4 buckshot bullets in it and i taught my mom how to load it and shoot it.

I told her that if a man comes in this house to make sure it is someone we dont know and if it is........TO SHOOT AND KILL THAT PERSON (dont even hesitate if they have a weapon)


I Then loaded a 22. magnum and put it in the bathroom, loaded a 20 gauge break-open shotgun and put it on the porch, loaded a 7mm and put it in my room.

personally if it was me, i would shoot there kneecaps but if they had guns i would kill without hesitation.

My family is my responsibilty on this earth and the day one of them gets hurt is the day ive failed and i hate failing more than anything. Anyone who tries to keep me from protecting my family is not a friend. If the government tried to take my guns I would hide them. No matter what the law, if it keeps me from protecting my loved ones then i would than it is contridicting its purpose and i would keep my guns illegally anyway.

Any gun hating people out there got a better way to protect my family from 5 men who escaped from prison and are robbing houses, enlighten me.


very true, if they made guns ilegal then people would want them more and find ways to get them, once they get the guns, people who do not have ways to get any sort of weaponry are generally powerless.
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throw a rock at them
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