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Byakuya386 wrote:

Agreed. When someone has training in self defense, then they'll be better prepared to handle this kind of situation. Our military sends average people to fight but they've had training so they know what to expect and how to react in any situation. As somebody with 6 1/2 years of Martial Arts experience, I think the benefits of training teachers far outweighs the risks.

I also believe that they need armed security guards at the doors of the schools. If somebody knows that they're not the only one there who are armed, they'll be a lot less likely to try to hurt anyone.


Agreed on the on the armed guards. If you declare an area a no-gun zone, then to a certain extent you are declareing that everyone in that area is defenseless. Other no-gun zones (airports, courthouses, government buildings) are much more heavily guarded (if a shooting happins in one of these spots the shooter is almost always the second or third person shot).
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Lowering the bar on human depravity.
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Gyava wrote:
Don't mind internet trolls. They will gradually fall into complete self-degradation if you leave them be.


Internet trolls are probably half the reason this kind of crap is on the rise as well. We have way too many desensitized little pricks like this who find atrocities amusing.
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I'm watching the news now. All those parents faces are making me so sad. such despair.
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This is an unfortunate event.

I'm surprised the US government hasn't considered outlawing guns yet considering the frequency of this type of thing happening in their states.


They would have to rewrite the US constitution first. A very hard legal process to do. And that's before the outcry from the public and certain special interest groups.
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That was pretty terrible to read. The gunman killed his mother first, then went to go murder those children and the six teachers. R.I.P. and I send my condolences for their families since they'll never get to see their children again. I heard from one person that the guns were maybe stolen, so even if there was a stricter gun control movement like a few stated in this thread, that still would not stop psychopaths from stealing them. Something else should happen to prevent another tragedy from happening.

Also I send my condolences to the children in China who were stabbed, but are not receiving much media coverage.
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It's not about the laws. You said blame the guns, not the people. That's idiocy.


Don't mind internet trolls. They will gradually fall into complete self-degradation if you leave them be.
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mystic17 wrote:

That was pretty terrible to read. The gunman killed his mother first, then went to go murder those children and the six teachers. R.I.P. and I send my condolences for their families since they'll never get to see their children again. I heard from one person that the guns were maybe stolen, so even if there was a stricter gun control movement like a few stated in this thread, that still would not stop psychopaths from stealing them. Something else should happen to prevent another tragedy from happening.

Also I send my condolences to the children in China who were stabbed, but are not receiving much media coverage.


Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone in China died? Maybe that's why it's not getting as much coverage (though the US would always get more)

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Possibly. I'm still learning about the news, I just found out about 3 minutes ago.
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Balzack wrote:


Gyava wrote:
Don't mind internet trolls. They will gradually fall into complete self-degradation if you leave them be.


Internet trolls are probably half the reason this kind of crap is on the rise as well. We have way too many desensitized little pricks like this who find atrocities amusing.


You're tellin me!! This is half the reason. You got little 17-18 year old numbnuts who spend all day either on the internet laughing at other peoples misfortune and tragedy, or they're playing battlefield, modern warfare and GTA and they think somebody pulling a gun on somebody else is just a game. Then after they're good and brainwashed they bring all that violence into the real world. It's terrible. Not to mention the music people listen to nowadays doesn't help either..
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mystic17 wrote:

That was pretty terrible to read. The gunman killed his mother first, then went to go murder those children and the six teachers. R.I.P. and I send my condolences for their families since they'll never get to see their children again. I heard from one person that the guns were maybe stolen, so even if there was a stricter gun control movement like a few stated in this thread, that still would not stop psychopaths from stealing them. Something else should happen to prevent another tragedy from happening.

Also I send my condolences to the children in China who were stabbed, but are not receiving much media coverage.


I don't know for certain where he stole it from, but he probably stole it from a shop or from another person who bought it from the shops. If guns were outlawed, there would be no shops selling them or ordinary people having them in the first place.
And it's even harder to steal guns from a police station or an army reserve.

The only thing that could prevent unstable people from doing this is to outlaw gun, in my opinion.
Since it's unrealistic to have gun screening machines at every public venues.
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mystic17 wrote:

That was pretty terrible to read. The gunman killed his mother first, then went to go murder those children and the six teachers. R.I.P. and I send my condolences for their families since they'll never get to see their children again. I heard from one person that the guns were maybe stolen, so even if there was a stricter gun control movement like a few stated in this thread, that still would not stop psychopaths from stealing them. Something else should happen to prevent another tragedy from happening.

Also I send my condolences to the children in China who were stabbed, but are not receiving much media coverage.


I don't know for certain where he stole it from, but he probably stole it from a shop or from another person who bought it from the shops. If guns were outlawed, there would be no shops selling them or ordinary people having them in the first place.
And it's even harder to steal guns from a police station or an army reserve.

The only thing that could prevent unstable people from doing this is to outlaw gun, in my opinion.
Since it's unrealistic to have gun screening machines at every public venues.


I think it will be very difficult to tell what would happen if that plan was even initiated in the first place.
Sure, the thought of guns being outlawed peacefully sounds good and all, but there is an equivalent chance that the process of trying to take away the guns from everyone would backfire and leave catastrophic measures in terms of violence and death.

Also, buying guns that are illegal in the hands of civilians isn't hard in the U.S. at all. I know of a person who bought a gun that shoots explosives by simply getting in touch with the "right" people (Fortunately, he got smart enough to get rid of it). My friend, who doesn't even have a license to carry a gun, owns a golden desert eagle that he bought from some Hispanic individual. Even if we outlawed guns, I think it'll just add to the fuel of a drug-based black market which will end horribly for our country.

and hell, even if guns were somehow completely outlawed, I'd hate for us to go back to a period where people kill each other using blades or blunts. ;(
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These things only happen in America.
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Even though I agree with the gun outlawing, I don't think it would put much of a dent into decreasing violence relating with assembled weapons. People will try to look for guns from another place, perhaps a country or maybe even online. There's also a possibility of someone may sell the weapons from inside a police station or army base. For the outlaw to take hold is they're going to have to be very strict with enforcing it and keeping it acknowledged.
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DraiKofi wrote:

These things only happen in America.


That's incorrect. These things happen worldwide, it's just in countries with guns outlawed occur at a smaller frequency, like once every 10 year or something like that.
Posted 12/14/12

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GayAsianBoy wrote:

This is an unfortunate event.

I'm surprised the US government hasn't considered outlawing guns yet considering the frequency of this type of thing happening in their states.


Outlawing guns would only make things even worse.


That is possible. Look at the prohibition era. We decided to ban alcohol, and what did it do? Give gangs more profit, and caused bootlegging.
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