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Is lying by Omission the same as telling an outright lie?
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Posted 12/17/12
Omission is not a lie because you just miss something out, be it intentional or not.
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Posted 12/19/12
A lie with a little more oomph. The impact after the person founds out the truth are pretty much the same right?

Kind of like if you schedule a blind date for your friend and they asked you what the person is like. You tell them, he is french to get their hopes up, but when they meet...the person is french, but it was a homeless person off the street.

Wouldn't that be a smack in the face, kind of like "haha, you tricked me, really funny"
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Posted 12/20/12

phogan wrote:

A lie is a lie is a lie regardless how it's accomplished.




BearSol wrote:

For anyone who thinks it's the same, here's a great example for you:

Wife: "Does this make me look fat?" (In this case it does)

Husband: "Are you kidding? You look beautiful." (Omission)
or
Husband: "Yes, but I still think you're beautiful." (Non-omission)

The second answer could take sex that night off the table and hurt her self-confidence.


The first one is really more of a dodge than a lie by omission, since you aren't actually omitting anything, you're just being vague.
Depending on the intonation when deliver the line, "Are you kidding?" could be taken as a less explicit denial, which would make
it an outright lie.

The second isn't even a lie.


The first is an omission by definition. Think you missed the point.

The second wasn't marked as a lie, it was marked as (Non-omission). Saying yes, when that's the truth obviously isn't a lie.

Want a example with a lie? Then just ask for it next time.

Wife: "Am I too old to pull this off?" (50 year old wearing pinky short-shorts with "Juicy" written on the ass, with wrinkly cheeks hanging out of the bottom)

Husband: "No" (Non-omission lie)

Husband: "You're beautiful no matter what you wear." (Omission)


Happy now? Can you wrap your mind around that one?
Posted 12/21/12
It that was the case you wouldn't need different words to describe both.
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Posted 12/21/12 , edited 12/21/12
False question. In your very question you ask if a lie is the same as a lie.

A better way of asking the question be to ask, if honesty is the same as full disclosure on all subjects.

EDIT

Or maybe a better way to ask the question is:

Does Honesty always require 'Full Disclosure'?
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A LIE BY ANY MEANS IS A LIE!

BE IT BY HALF TRUTH, OR BY OMISSION.

DIDN'T YOUR PARENTS EXPLAIN LIES AS A CHILD?
A LIE IN ANY FORM IS STILL A LIE.

I LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY. THEIR IS NO GOOD SIDE TO A LIE!
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Posted 12/21/12

kennk5 wrote:

A LIE BY ANY MEANS IS A LIE!

BE IT BY HALF TRUTH, OR BY OMISSION.

DIDN'T YOUR PARENTS EXPLAIN LIES AS A CHILD?
A LIE IN ANY FORM IS STILL A LIE.

I LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY. THEIR IS NO GOOD SIDE TO A LIE!


which is what makes the question a false question.

It still think a more interesting question is the one I asked above.

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Posted 12/21/12
Lying is just a good story till someone ruins it with the truth!
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Posted 12/21/12
LIE - It's like asking if someone has an STD, you ask them point blank you got an STD? ( they do ) and they say NO, I don't ( that's a lie)

Omission Lie - They don't mention they have an STD.
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LIE - It's like asking if someone has an STD, you ask them point blank you got an STD? ( they do ) and they say NO, I don't ( that's a lie)

Omission Lie - They don't mention they have an STD.

Ends up being a lie in either case . I prefer toask if an honest person always make full disclosure on all topics



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CalifCat wrote:

LIE - It's like asking if someone has an STD, you ask them point blank you got an STD? ( they do ) and they say NO, I don't ( that's a lie)

Omission Lie - They don't mention they have an STD.

Ends up being a lie in either case . I prefer toask if an honest person always make full disclosure on all topics



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good luck getting full disclosure even when you ask for it....on all topics. Seriously.. I wish you luck.
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CalifCat wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


CalifCat wrote:

LIE - It's like asking if someone has an STD, you ask them point blank you got an STD? ( they do ) and they say NO, I don't ( that's a lie)

Omission Lie - They don't mention they have an STD.

Ends up being a lie in either case . I prefer toask if an honest person always make full disclosure on all topics



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good luck getting full disclosure even when you ask for it....on all topics. Seriously.. I wish you luck.



Which is kind of my point. A lie is a lie. which is why the OP's question is false.

I'd rather ask when honesty requires 'full disclosure' and can you have the former without the latter.

Personally I think yes but that's me.

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


CalifCat wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


CalifCat wrote:

LIE - It's like asking if someone has an STD, you ask them point blank you got an STD? ( they do ) and they say NO, I don't ( that's a lie)

Omission Lie - They don't mention they have an STD.

Ends up being a lie in either case . I prefer toask if an honest person always make full disclosure on all topics



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good luck getting full disclosure even when you ask for it....on all topics. Seriously.. I wish you luck.



Which is kind of my point. A lie is a lie. which is why the OP's question is false.

I'd rather ask when honesty requires 'full disclosure' and can you have the former without the latter.

Personally I think yes but that's me.


Exactly my point for making the forum, as I am the OP..so thanks for getting my point.
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Posted 12/22/12 , edited 12/22/12

CalifCat wrote:


Exactly my point for making the forum, as I am the OP..so thanks for getting my point.


Oops. sorry I pay little to no attention to the little picture in the corner. If I react to the words someone just wrote I then that's what I'm reacting to.

Posted 12/22/12 , edited 12/22/12
Yes it is miss CalifCat...a lie is an attempt to device, so as long as your intent is to deceive the other party you have lied: they can assume-while you stay quiet, you can moan a no-that sounds like yes, or say YES very low-and quickly follow it with a no very loud...no matter which selection as long as you know the truth and withhold it...it is a lie. no tiny white lie just big ugly ones of course i'm talking about intentional not when it honestly slipped your mind.
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