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Do you think our modern society is making us dumber than our hunter-gatherer ancestors? And why?
Posted 12/21/12
yeah I guess
We supposed to be smarter than our ancestors since they have given us almost everythingl we need to know.
Posted 12/21/12
No, hunters only had to know one thing, hunting. Your profession provides an equivalent knowledge.
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OK think about this, the average estimated lifespan for an nomadic stone -age peoples (paleolithic, mesolithic, neolithic) would have be around 40 years. There would have been high infant mortality rates. Those people would have been on the move constantly following game and looking for foodstuffs. During that period of time, life was a constant struggle for survival. Life wasn't for those people wasn't simple by any stretch of the imagination. The people living when were just as creative and intelligent are people today.

If your interested in this topic, I'd suggest looking into anthropology or archaeology.
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Yes
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Posted 12/21/12
Well I guess that depends on how you define intelligence... I'm sure we are different.

For me, we are definitely not taking any steps backwards.
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volcan_98 wrote:

OK think about this, the average estimated lifespan for an nomadic stone -age peoples (paleolithic, mesolithic, neolithic) would have be around 40 years. There would have been high infant mortality rates. Those people would have been on the move constantly following game and looking for foodstuffs. During that period of time, life was a constant struggle for survival. Life wasn't for those people wasn't simple by any stretch of the imagination. The people living when were just as creative and intelligent are people today.

If your interested in this topic, I'd suggest looking into anthropology or archaeology.


Am very aware with your points, but precisely why I raise the question. We all know that life has never been easier in past human history. This is why when you propose the question of past lives to people most comment that they think they must have been someone famous of wealthy. Most cannot imagine having lived at an earlier period filthy, toiling by hand to live, and dying at an average of 3-4 decades earlier. But you must admit that they used their minds (at periods quite limited) on a daily basis to survive.
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Posted 12/21/12

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volcan_98 wrote:

OK think about this, the average estimated lifespan for an nomadic stone -age peoples (paleolithic, mesolithic, neolithic) would have be around 40 years. There would have been high infant mortality rates. Those people would have been on the move constantly following game and looking for foodstuffs. During that period of time, life was a constant struggle for survival. Life wasn't for those people wasn't simple by any stretch of the imagination. The people living when were just as creative and intelligent are people today.

If your interested in this topic, I'd suggest looking into anthropology or archaeology.


Am very aware with your points, but precisely why I raise the question. We all know that life has never been easier in past human history. This is why when you propose the question of past lives to people most comment that they think they must have been someone famous of wealthy. Most cannot imagine having lived at an earlier period filthy, toiling by hand to live, and dying at an average of 3-4 decades earlier. But you must admit that they used their minds (at periods quite limited) on a daily basis to survive.


Here is what I was trying to get at. We use a completely different skill set from our stone age ancestors in our daily lives. I don't think we're any less intelligent. If dropped in our world, those skill would be of little use. Yes, the could probably survive, but not while interacting with most modern cultures. Differing skill sets doesn't equate to differences in intelligence.

But getting to your argument, saying that modern society is "dumbing" people down. I disagree. Here is something to consider. In 1900, the accumulated knowledge of human would double in about 150 years. In 2011-2012, that internal has shrunk to 1-2 years and its expected to shrink even further. By 2020, if the rate holds true, humanity accumulated knowledge will double every 72 days. That isn't proof positive, but it something to consider.
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Posted 12/21/12

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Boganis wrote:


volcan_98 wrote:

OK think about this, the average estimated lifespan for an nomadic stone -age peoples (paleolithic, mesolithic, neolithic) would have be around 40 years. There would have been high infant mortality rates. Those people would have been on the move constantly following game and looking for foodstuffs. During that period of time, life was a constant struggle for survival. Life wasn't for those people wasn't simple by any stretch of the imagination. The people living when were just as creative and intelligent are people today.

If your interested in this topic, I'd suggest looking into anthropology or archaeology.


Am very aware with your points, but precisely why I raise the question. We all know that life has never been easier in past human history. This is why when you propose the question of past lives to people most comment that they think they must have been someone famous of wealthy. Most cannot imagine having lived at an earlier period filthy, toiling by hand to live, and dying at an average of 3-4 decades earlier. But you must admit that they used their minds (at periods quite limited) on a daily basis to survive.


Here is what I was trying to get at. We use a completely different skill set from our stone age ancestors in our daily lives. I don't think we're any less intelligent. If dropped in our world, those skill would be of little use. Yes, the could probably survive, but not while interacting with most modern cultures. Differing skill sets doesn't equate to differences in intelligence.

But getting to your argument, saying that modern society is "dumbing" people down. I disagree. Here is something to consider. In 1900, the accumulated knowledge of human would double in about 150 years. In 2011-2012, that internal has shrunk to 1-2 years and its expected to shrink even further. By 2020, if the rate holds true, humanity accumulated knowledge will double every 72 days. That isn't proof positive, but it something to consider.


No, I do get your points, sorry I was in a surly mood and half-heartedly targeted your comment. And only posted this question as a theoretical inquiry. I suppose I am just viewing this this question from the format of the human as a whole vs. as solely a cerebral entity.
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Posted 12/21/12

volcan_98 wrote:


Boganis wrote:


volcan_98 wrote:

OK think about this, the average estimated lifespan for an nomadic stone -age peoples (paleolithic, mesolithic, neolithic) would have be around 40 years. There would have been high infant mortality rates. Those people would have been on the move constantly following game and looking for foodstuffs. During that period of time, life was a constant struggle for survival. Life wasn't for those people wasn't simple by any stretch of the imagination. The people living when were just as creative and intelligent are people today.

If your interested in this topic, I'd suggest looking into anthropology or archaeology.


Am very aware with your points, but precisely why I raise the question. We all know that life has never been easier in past human history. This is why when you propose the question of past lives to people most comment that they think they must have been someone famous of wealthy. Most cannot imagine having lived at an earlier period filthy, toiling by hand to live, and dying at an average of 3-4 decades earlier. But you must admit that they used their minds (at periods quite limited) on a daily basis to survive.


Here is what I was trying to get at. We use a completely different skill set from our stone age ancestors in our daily lives. I don't think we're any less intelligent. If dropped in our world, those skill would be of little use. Yes, the could probably survive, but not while interacting with most modern cultures. Differing skill sets doesn't equate to differences in intelligence.

But getting to your argument, saying that modern society is "dumbing" people down. I disagree. Here is something to consider. In 1900, the accumulated knowledge of human would double in about 150 years. In 2011-2012, that internal has shrunk to 1-2 years and its expected to shrink even further. By 2020, if the rate holds true, humanity accumulated knowledge will double every 72 days. That isn't proof positive, but it something to consider.


At the time that Alexandre Dumas wrote 'The Count of Monte Cristo' (early 1800's) The assertion of the good Count and his Mentor that the sum of human knowledge could be learned from approximately 137(can't remember the exact number but it wasn't an impossible sum to read in the days before internet) specific books, might have been true.

In the 1800's and earlier you really COULD have scholars who new everything there was to know about everything.

Now we have people who devote their entire lives and intellect into studying say... a particular type of mollusc... and they won't even pretend to know all there is to know on the subject.

now there are way more people who have completed Silent Hill or earned .. err... whatever there is to earn in Call of Duty. or actually completed EVERY single mission in Skyrim... than have read say... War and Peace.. or for that matter, The Count of Monte Cristo.

I wouldn't say we are dumber. but more distracted, less well read, and less able to encapsulate a broad understanding of human learning in a single lifetime. That's not the same as dumber... It might be the same as 'more ignorant' which is functionally the same thing but doesn't reflect poorly so much on intellect as it does on focus and ambition.

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Posted 12/22/12
O_O I can't read anthing written here. Complicated enugh.
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Posted 12/22/12
depends I say we lost many skills and gained new ones, I will say with out modern technology some people would either die or go crazy.
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Posted 12/22/12
Are we wrecking evolution as we know it? Yes. Will other things replace it? Yes.
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Posted 12/22/12
Dumber? I wouldn't say dumber, maybe lazier to a very high degree though.
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Posted 12/22/12
Yes we are.
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Posted 12/22/12
Our ancestors that lived in hunter-gatherer societies were generally more advanced than us. They understood the way of things such as the ebb and flow of life.

We now are generally less aware of the higher consciousness we all possess, because of many factors we have to deal with that our ancestors haven't. This includes the introduction of fluoride into our water systems and dental products, the draconian corruption and manipulation of our public educational system, the manipulation of mass media, the entertainment industry drilling useless crap into our heads, the support of many institutions in our society to perpetuate impatience and non-critical-thinking, the gradual oppression of our people economically via false hope, sports, gossip, fear mongering, lies, and etc, the suppression, condemnation and elimination of revolutionary inventions, ideas, movements, and systems, and just a load of other crap a small group of people are purposefully executing to make humanity as a whole more docile and obedient.

When you think deeply about all of this, and you take time out of watching sports, shows, movies, gossiping and playing games to look at what really matters, you'll have a whole new outlook on life and what your true values are.

Humans have not gotten any dumber, but they have more chains holding them down now than ever before. The important question is, when will you say enough is enough and start to unravel those chains?
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