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Is Btooom that generic?
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Took me a while for me to decide to watch Btooom, since what I read it's about a guy trapped in a real game that is similar to a game that he is a total king at. And because I suffered watching Sword Farts Online, I thought it was going to be just as bad. Instead, I really liked the anime. Yes the whole "Crap, I'm stuck in this game that will endanger my life!" plot was in quite a few anime. But this one was pretty darn good. I loved it. Shame it ended so abruptly because they caught up the manga already.

Ok back to the topic. I've been seeing so comments of this show being too generic. I really wonder how it can be considered as "too generic".

At least our heroine didn't want to sit on the protagonist little "samurai sword" and bounce on it as soon as she met him. She started off not trusting anyone and is extremely frigid. It relieves me to finally see a character that isn't considered as a slut. Due to her experience, she extremely hates being near men. Can't blame her for that.

The protagonist isn't a Gary Stu character. What I mean by this is that he isn't too perfect like Kirito. Or maybe we should call Kirito, Jesus, since he is an overpowered little fag. The protagonist of Btooom has his ups and downs, he's a piece of crap to his parents and a NEET at the same time. The thing is, unlike most protagonist, it didn't take him long to attach some pair of testicles to himself when he realizes he must kill to live. So glad he isn't an annoying sissy like Yukiteru Amano, if he was, it would make me want to dig my nails into my eyes.

I like how it just feels like one of those Zombie Apocalypse shows we watch, since everyone would have trouble trusting each other, since there are no police around, they can just betray and kill each other at any given time. That's what makes the anime suspenseful as well.

But still, I wonder how it's too generic? We don't have a generic cast. We don't have a generic heroine. We don't have a generic protagonist. I think I haven't watched enough anime to realize if it's really that generic or not.

So forum, mind telling me how this anime is TOOOO generic? Any anime that is exactly like it? Because anime these days are all generic since the manga/anime creators are too stupid to be able to make new ideas and take it out from their own butt cheeks.



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But still, I wonder how it's too generic? We don't have a generic cast. We don't have a generic heroine. We don't have a generic protagonist. I think I haven't watched enough anime to realize if it's really that generic or not.



You obviously have not read nor watched enough survival stories to get why this is pretty generic. It's got it's moments, and I find it entertaining enough, but it really is covering old ground.
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DomoKevin wrote:

But still, I wonder how it's too generic? We don't have a generic cast. We don't have a generic heroine. We don't have a generic protagonist. I think I haven't watched enough anime to realize if it's really that generic or not.



You obviously have not read nor watched enough survival stories to get why this is pretty generic. It's got it's moments, and I find it entertaining enough, but it really is covering old ground.


Are you blind? Were you dropped on the head when you popped out from your mum's snatch? That must have hurt. Either you didn't read my topic carefully or you did not read it at all and decided to make a stupid post like this. I mentioned about zombie apocalypse sort of shows right? I know about survival shows, in order to survive people must learn to trust others but some get betrayed. That's the whole idea right? It's not like I don't know about this.

So a survival show is too generic? How about harem? The plot is all about a bunch of sluts wanting to have sex with the protagonist after they just met him? I've seen way too many of those and they just keep creating more of those crap.

Besides. The show is about people killing each other by only using bombs. That's new isn't it? If not. Name me an anime that has a show about people killing each other by only using bombs. Go ahead.
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deadpanditto wrote:


DomoKevin wrote:

But still, I wonder how it's too generic? We don't have a generic cast. We don't have a generic heroine. We don't have a generic protagonist. I think I haven't watched enough anime to realize if it's really that generic or not.



You obviously have not read nor watched enough survival stories to get why this is pretty generic. It's got it's moments, and I find it entertaining enough, but it really is covering old ground.


Are you blind? Were you dropped on the head when you popped out from your mum's snatch? That must have hurt. Either you didn't read my topic carefully or you did not read it at all and decided to make a stupid post like this. I mentioned about zombie apocalypse sort of shows right? I know about survival shows, in order to survive people must learn to trust others but some get betrayed. That's the whole idea right? It's not like I don't know about this.

So a survival show is too generic? How about harem? The plot is all about a bunch of sluts wanting to have sex with the protagonist after they just met him? I've seen way too many of those and they just keep creating more of those crap.


Hey, that's a great way to have a discussion: be insulting. But that's to be expected from you since you can't understand that I answered the question that I quoted regarding why I felt it was generic. Maybe next time I'll use smaller words so you get it.
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DomoKevin wrote:

But still, I wonder how it's too generic? We don't have a generic cast. We don't have a generic heroine. We don't have a generic protagonist. I think I haven't watched enough anime to realize if it's really that generic or not.



You obviously have not read nor watched enough survival stories to get why this is pretty generic. It's got it's moments, and I find it entertaining enough, but it really is covering old ground.


I watch all kind of genres and agree with deapanditto .I watch it but High School of the Dead is more survival mode for everybody.I know Black Lagoon is more of a gunslinger mob adventure but it moves at a fast pace.I could go on and on.

I know this is kind of a new genre(is it)?but we have SAO(lots of love hate for this one)Oda Norbuna,how about Hack Quantam,Chaos Head just a few online trap games.
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At least our heroine didn't want to sit on the protagonist little "samurai sword" and bounce on it as soon as she met him. She started off not trusting anyone and is extremely frigid. It relieves me to finally see a character that isn't considered as a slut. Due to her experience, she extremely hates being near men. Can't blame her for that.

The protagonist isn't a Gary Stu character. What I mean by this is that he isn't too perfect like Kirito. Or maybe we should call Kirito, Jesus, since he is an overpowered little fag. The protagonist of Btooom has his ups and downs, he's a piece of crap to his parents and a NEET at the same time. The thing is, unlike most protagonist, it didn't take him long to attach some pair of testicles to himself when he realizes he must kill to live. So glad he isn't an annoying sissy like Yukiteru Amano, if he was, it would make me want to dig my nails into my eyes.

I like how it just feels like one of those Zombie Apocalypse shows we watch, since everyone would have trouble trusting each other, since there are no police around, they can just betray and kill each other at any given time. That's what makes the anime suspenseful as well.

But still, I wonder how it's too generic? We don't have a generic cast. We don't have a generic heroine. We don't have a generic protagonist. I think I haven't watched enough anime to realize if it's really that generic or not.

So forum, mind telling me how this anime is TOOOO generic? Any anime that is exactly like it? Because anime these days are all generic since the manga/anime creators are too stupid to be able to make new ideas and take it out from their own butt cheeks.


"At least our heroine didn't want to sit on his little samurai sword as soon as she met him"? Yeah, I get the impression you don't watch much anime, or waayy too much hentai. It's probably the latter. The whole romance without touching thing is a played out, and simply stupid theme present in about 95% of the hundreds upon hundreds of anime I have seen over the past 25 years. Every time we see romance in an anime it goes like this:

Guy meets girl. Guy and girl spend time together and form a connection with each other. Guy and girl beat around the bush for the entire series denying they have feelings for each other. Guy and girl finally realize they are meant for each other and in the final 30 seconds of the series, they kiss. Or in Btooom's case, hug. The fact that Sword Art Online featured happy couple who wasn't afraid of intimacy is rarely treaded ground for anime and gets bonus points from me for that.

"She started off not trusting anyone and is extremely frigid. It relieves me to finally see a character that isn't considered as a slut. Due to her experience, she extremely hates being near men. Can't blame her for that." That is so stupidly common in anime they actually have a word for it. It's called tsundere. Yeah, she had a good reason to be a cold bitch who warms up at the end. They usually do.

"unlike most protagonist, it didn't take him long to attach some pair of testicles to himself when he realizes he must kill to live. So glad he isn't an annoying sissy like Yukiteru Amano, if he was, it would make me want to dig my nails into my eyes." LOL My bad, I thought you actually watched Btooom. As of the final episode, he was still refusing to play the game. Crying because of the horrible things he had to do to defend himself. He never realized he had to kill to live, he simply defended himself against those trying to kill him and his woman. Because obviously, this would have been a pretty lame one episode anime if he didn't. I don't know why I'm typing this, since you probably dug your nails in to your eyes after seeing what a sissy Ryota is.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Btooom a lot and it was in my top 3 favorite anime this season. It didn't break any molds, but it was exciting, interesting and fun none the less. Regardless, you're just coming off like a butthurt fanboy attacking anyone who bashes your beloved from the safety of your keyboard. SAO was simply a much better show and judging from the ratings and critical acclaim it's got, most people agree with me.
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deadpanditto wrote:


DomoKevin wrote:

But still, I wonder how it's too generic? We don't have a generic cast. We don't have a generic heroine. We don't have a generic protagonist. I think I haven't watched enough anime to realize if it's really that generic or not.



You obviously have not read nor watched enough survival stories to get why this is pretty generic. It's got it's moments, and I find it entertaining enough, but it really is covering old ground.


I do like the island survival though...
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Battle Royale is the same type of genre... although it's a novel, live-action movie, and manga and has no anime adaptation. I wouldn't use the word generic to describe anime now-a-days only because then practically everything would be considered generic. To create something you borrow from something else.
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i dropped the show when that blonde showed up, because I already knew the entire plot of the show when I saw her.


so tell me


they hook up, right?
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i dropped the show when that blonde showed up, because I already knew the entire plot of the show when I saw her.


so tell me


they hook up, right?


In the manga they do, not sure about the anime because I'm not sure how far in the manga they got to.
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kmfcm wrote:

i dropped the show when that blonde showed up, because I already knew the entire plot of the show when I saw her.


so tell me


they hook up, right?


In the manga they do, not sure about the anime because I'm not sure how far in the manga they got to.


They did not have sex yet. But they did kiss.

The anime stops at chapter 50 of the manga. And I think chapter 51 came out not too long ago. So I reckon the anime came out way to sudden for them to prepare new episodes.
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You're seriously defending this abomination?
This is on the same garbage level of Bleach.





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There is no new material in hollywood or "There is no new material in anime" as the case may be. Pretty much everything has been done at least once before especially if you broaden the terms. HOTD is a survival anime, SAO is an anime about being trapped in a game and the only way out is to clear it, both can be generalized further or refined. Anymore the things that make the series isnt the subject matter its the characters. Good characters can make an overused or cliche plot seem fresh and enjoyable while bad characters can make it a torturous venture even if they have new subject matter.
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Yes, it is that generic, and I don't feel like explaining my reasoning. Watch enough anime, and you'll see that a lot of the things you mentioned are present in a large portion of shows. You probably just haven't seen that much anime if you think those things are uncommon, but it's not like that makes BTOOOM! un-watchable or anything. If you like it, cool -- eventually, you'll start to see more and more shows that have the same type of pattern as BTOOOM, and you'll start to bitch about those, the way you bitch about SAO. It's just as generic as BTOOOM, but it's still quite enjoyable, and believe it or not, it's actually rarer in anime to have a clear relationship early on than to have people that tiptoe around each other the entire show. Basically, I refer to swordstyle for the rest of my thoughts. He had some nice things to say. If you think BTOOOM is good because it's not generic, then you will have some problems when you start to see the same patterns later. Almost everything has been done before, and by that, I mean I've never seen a truly original show. Learn to accept that, and you'll enjoy things quite a bit more.
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"Drop a bunch of people on an island and see who survives" seems to be common as a trope/theme in Japan. Of course the online gaming angle is new but is now a common trope itself with SAO, AW, hack... whether the game becomes real or they put people in a real game based upon the computer game isn't that much different.

Everything is generic and has been done before so it is about execution. I enjoyed the execution of BTOOOM. I like the characters, the setting, the animation, the music. I enjoy it.

I like Ryota and Himiko and was happy that they kissed in chapter 50/episode 12 as they never actually get together and kiss in some shows. I was also happy because Himiko was seen as overcoming her fear of men partially but was still afraid so she stayed in character; I liked that because in many shows the women suddenly lose all their fear of men and turn into bimbos. Himiko stayed true to her character. But I was also happy that they didn't have sex, that they want to be serious about it when they get home, especially since unknown to them, they are on pay per view snuff television and would be on pay per view sex television if they had sex there. And she is only 15... which is legal in Japan but still. Himiko was really happy and cute about Ryota wanting to go back with her. We all knew she was the Himiko from the game but still I enjoyed seeing him finally realize (duh, Ryota being slow about some things was one complaint I have about the show, the tazer to the head didn't help I guess) that she is Himiko from the game. Ryota fought his own inner demons about relationships too. Honestly, the person last page who said they dropped it as soon as they saw Himiko, knowing they would hook up... there is much more to their relationship in the show, honestly I really liked how they portrayed their relationship.

The show is about humanity, what makes us human in a savage place where there are no rules. Ryota has, from the beginning, shown that he doesn't want to kill people just to let himself get off the island. As we learn on the show, if you kill people to get off the island they can just send you right back anyways! So Ryota is actually working for a better way, a way to survive together even in this horrible situation, to try and get home alive without doing it at the expense of other people. This too has been done before but I enjoy the way they have done it in BTOOOM!

If you don't enjoy recycled themes/tropes then you shouldn't watch anime. Otherwise you will shout at your screen every time you see a transfer student, student council, clubs with less than 5 members that are going to be shut down, the school council or club needs to win a contest to keep their school open, etc. You will not have much fun with anime if you won't watch anything original. There isn't anything original left to do really in anime, hollywood or books.

These days sometimes what is original is the way they put things together. Madoka Magica... if you haven't watched it then watch it right now and don't read the following spoiler!!!

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