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Are written opinions more open than voiced opinions?
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Some thing I wondered as I traveled and navigated the forums,Is that peoples have strong opinions on many matters. Who openly voice them in the form of words.Do you think some peoples opinions would change or not be spoken if it was in person? dos opinions change if your gazing into the persons eyes verses typing it in the comfort of your home. Be honest would you voice a harsh statement of your opinion as openly in person as you would online. In person are you more mindful, and respectful not to step on any toes with your personal views. Or do you think there afraid to voice the same opinions online in person in fear of repercussions. Or is it a mixture of the two depending on what is said. Am talking about the majority rather than the select few. What is your opinion on the matter at hand. To sum it up in a nutshell would the majority of written opinions be not herd or spoken if it was in person. For example would stereotypical, sexist or racist statements go mostly unsaid if confronting the people in person?
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People tend to be more polite in person than over the internet. Some statements are read more harshly than they are said as well. Combine that with the fact that people have more time to think things over online, and consequently positions tend to be more thought out when typing than when talking. The more you understand an issue, the more opinionated you are.
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something like 7% or maybe even 3% of face to face human communication is the actual text of what we say. a further 10% to 15% is things like tone of voice, Cadence, speed, volume. the remaining 75% percent of the information we exchange with each other and about each other in person is not even in our voices.

online you lose that 93%

online you have anonymity. you cannot be shamed (and Shame is VERY powerful behavioural control)

online there is little consequence. you don't see the tears of the person who's feelings you hurt. You can't judge if the other person you're about to verbally kick is a puppy.

online or not. the vast majority of the human race has the capability to be utter douchebags. Online communication tends to remove whatever external brakes the people who WANT to be douchebags might have.


... I think you can do the math.
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vary good statemens and opinions both of you, I tend to agree with you.
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I've been reading this book called Virtually You: The Dangerous Powers of the E-Personality and it speaks a lot about this. Some people tend to have a whole different persona online compared to the one they have in real life. The Internet is like a safe haven for the insecure, belittled and elitist. Because of the no repercussion aspect of the Internet, people tend to let out there aggressions and opinions more easily without fear of objection, especially when it comes to sexist and racist ideals. I'm sure they realize they wouldn't get away with it in real life, which is why they're online.

As for myself, I am rather introverted. I rarely talk and tend to keep to myself, yet depending on the situation or conversation, that changes quickly. I've been called everything from snarky, opinionated, blunt, and well-worded. I have no problem stating how I feel to others when need be and can stand my ground in an argument. I tend to take people's feeling into consideration and think before I speak, but when something needs to be said, especially if it's wrong, I'm the first to say something. Everyone who knows me knows that.
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LosingOrbit wrote:

I've been reading this book called Virtually You: The Dangerous Powers of the E-Personality and it speaks a lot about this. Some people tend to have a whole different persona online compared to the one they have in real life. The Internet is like a safe haven for the insecure, belittled and elitist. Because of the no repercussion aspect of the Internet, people tend to let out there aggressions and opinions more easily without fear of objection, especially when it comes to sexist and racist ideals. I'm sure they realize they wouldn't get away with it in real life, which is why they're online.

As for myself, I am rather introverted. I rarely talk and tend to keep to myself, yet depending on the situation or conversation, that changes quickly. I've been called everything from snarky, opinionated, blunt, and well-worded. I have no problem stating how I feel to others when need be and can stand my ground in an argument. I tend to take people's feeling into consideration and think before I speak, but when something needs to be said, especially if it's wrong, I'm the first to say something. Everyone who knows me knows that.


Hey Orbit. Haven't seen you around in a long time.

I think also. and necessarily related to the above. is that Hyperbole is more commonly excercised in text. We can't tell if people are joking we can't read their emotions. and something I think we overcompensate by wording things more strongly than we otherwise would.

in Real Life I have a number of tools of body language and tone of voice with which to tell you what my words me.

here online. I've been told to calm down when I was simply making a minor point to a fight in which I had no dog.

or assumed to be joking when I was dead serious and vice versa.

likewise what I thought was an expression of mild disappointment has been verbal dynamite to someone else.

That's why these days I try to go away and think about a comment before a post a reply. And every time I fail in that effort. I usually say something I regret.


Posted 12/29/12
Yes because the writer is more open with his/her mind (esp with heart) than the speaker. The speaker is fighting for his/her confidence because it's his/her arch enemy. When a speaker lacks self- confidence, he/she will fail to speak his/her own mind.
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Yeah because by the time the person thinks about a return I'm already out in space -.-

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I think that written opinions are generally better than spoken ones. Not necessarily "internet opinions", but written in general. When you write out your thoughts, you're more capable of saying what you truly think. You can edit your thoughts and really explain and express a well-thought opinion without the issue of misspeaking, forgetting or tripping over words, or saying what you really never meant.
That aside, being able to express yourself freely through written word, whether for the public or for private, I believe is a healthy way of releasing pent up emotions. I find theirs more restraint to vocal opinions, that people are trying to please others rather than themselves.
I think body language affects people's thoughts as well, people will speak differently to someone giving them a harsh look compared to a person staring at them intently. That language, and tone as well, doesn't really exist in the written word. Not in the same way, anyway. Writing in a negative tone is not nearly as powerful as speaking in a negative tone, I think.
Perhaps peoples opinions really change for the better in written word, again whether for public or private viewing. Especially privately. You become more free to express your thoughts, more thoughtful, and more well-spoken.
Of course, that's not true for everyone, and this freedom is not always the best. But generally, I think it does a lot of good for people, and for expressing oneself.
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Yes because the writer is more open with his/her mind (esp with heart) than the speaker. The speaker is fighting for his/her confidence because it's his/her arch enemy. When a speaker lacks self- confidence, he/she will fail to speak his/her own mind.


"When the stomach speaks you forget the mind.
When the mind speaks you forget the heart
When the heart speaks you forget EVERYTHING HAHAHAHAHAH " --- The Genie, one of the Sinbad Movies.

Sometimes it's good to have that pause. I think it's lacking that pause that's part of the DRAMA of the internet.

oh.

and we haven't even touched on this thread about those who LIKE to exacerbate the situation. Those who enjoy the DRAMA and treat the hidden explosives as a good place to plant MATCHES. All the factors we mentioned can be made worse by someone who PLAYS on THEM.


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What's your point?
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Hintkin wrote:




What's your point?


Basically disagreeing with you about being 'more open' always being a good thing. Sometimes when we speak (or write) without thinking it comes out uglier than we meant or open to misinterpretation (the latter made worse by the whole text being 7% of communication thing). sometimes when we speak or write while in the grip of emotion (writing with our hearts) we overstate our case or descend into irrationality


the comment referring obliquely to trolls was simply a general after thought to the thread.

througout this thread we've talked about honest reasons why internet opinions might be more strongly worded.

But there's another reason.

some people LIKE to pour gasoline on any metaphorical fires they see. and when they don't see any... well that's what matches are for.
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People tend to be more open about written statements (especially when anonymity is uninvolved), but I feel voiced opinions are generally more persuasive simply because they are voiced.
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Even on the internet there will always be repercussions for what you say and do.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/11/woman-fired-over-obama-facebook-post-i-am-not-racist.html
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I didn't say being more open is a good thing.. I just answered this thread with my own view about it.
You don't have to explain and complicate things.The only question is "are-written-opinions-more-open-than-voiced-opinions?". You don't have to 'smart' talk me. Besides, you're not making any sense.
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