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Do wishing and praying work?
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ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


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One thing is true, if there was no god, neither would there be athiest.


Unless you're implying that god created the athiests, I don't see how that is true.

It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it might exist.
It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it does not exist.

If we could only believe that things that exist don't... what a world that would be. It gets weird if one tries to imagine that being true.
For instance, if there were a glass half full, must there also exist milk in the empty part for one to believe that it is empty?


Im not caling anybody out but the easiest way to say it is, where there is good, doubt will rise against it.

Doubt is impartial and unbiased; it rises against everything, including itself.
When doubt prevents a person from trusting an honest man, it is bad, but when doubt saves a person from trusting a con man, is it not good?

I can only assume from your reply that you meant that god created the atheists, but you realize you cannot back it up with any sort of logic, so you resort to implying that I am not good.

Fair enough - if to be good is to be afraid to consider that you may be wrong, then I'd rather not be good.
As long as there is reason to doubt, I'll keep my eyes open in search of truth.


While it is true your not good, neither am I. Infact, im probably a thousand times worse than you. None of us are perfect but that doesnt matter, besides, being perfect is overated. Lets not get in any debate vecause its a hassle and i have nerdy stuff to do.
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Wishing doesn't pay the bills and praying doesn't fix your problems.
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No it doesn't work, It's also been scientifically concluded that praying has negative results in the case of medical situations due to the human reaction of "I Must be really sick in order for people to pray for me" which actually caused the patient to succumb to the illness and complicate things due to mental and biological stress.

However this isn't to say positive attitude and hard work doesn't pay off, if "praying" and "wishing" is what is necessary for you to feel strength in taking action or trying harder then I see no harm in it.

But don't delude yourself. If I prayed for money and found a 5 pound note, It's rather selfish to assume some deity took times out of his busy schedule to reward me for nothing while smiting and destroying small children in the middle east and Africa.
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Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:

One thing is true, if there was no god, neither would there be athiest.


Unless you're implying that god created the athiests, I don't see how that is true.

It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it might exist.
It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it does not exist.

If we could only believe that things that exist don't... what a world that would be. It gets weird if one tries to imagine that being true.
For instance, if there were a glass half full, must there also exist milk in the empty part for one to believe that it is empty?


Im not caling anybody out but the easiest way to say it is, where there is good, doubt will rise against it.

Doubt is impartial and unbiased; it rises against everything, including itself.
When doubt prevents a person from trusting an honest man, it is bad, but when doubt saves a person from trusting a con man, is it not good?

I can only assume from your reply that you meant that god created the atheists, but you realize you cannot back it up with any sort of logic, so you resort to implying that I am not good.

Fair enough - if to be good is to be afraid to consider that you may be wrong, then I'd rather not be good.
As long as there is reason to doubt, I'll keep my eyes open in search of truth.


While it is true your not good, neither am I. Infact, im probably a thousand times worse than you. None of us are perfect but that doesnt matter, besides, being perfect is overated. Lets not get in any debate vecause its a hassle and i have nerdy stuff to do.

You're right, it is a waste of time for us to debate this.
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ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:

One thing is true, if there was no god, neither would there be athiest.


Unless you're implying that god created the athiests, I don't see how that is true.

It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it might exist.
It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it does not exist.

If we could only believe that things that exist don't... what a world that would be. It gets weird if one tries to imagine that being true.
For instance, if there were a glass half full, must there also exist milk in the empty part for one to believe that it is empty?


Im not caling anybody out but the easiest way to say it is, where there is good, doubt will rise against it.

Doubt is impartial and unbiased; it rises against everything, including itself.
When doubt prevents a person from trusting an honest man, it is bad, but when doubt saves a person from trusting a con man, is it not good?

I can only assume from your reply that you meant that god created the atheists, but you realize you cannot back it up with any sort of logic, so you resort to implying that I am not good.

Fair enough - if to be good is to be afraid to consider that you may be wrong, then I'd rather not be good.
As long as there is reason to doubt, I'll keep my eyes open in search of truth.


While it is true your not good, neither am I. Infact, im probably a thousand times worse than you. None of us are perfect but that doesnt matter, besides, being perfect is overated. Lets not get in any debate vecause its a hassle and i have nerdy stuff to do.

You're right, it is a waste of time for us to debate this.


I might be mistaken but that really sounded like you were trying to provoke me.
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Something good happens: "It was all because I prayed! God has answered my prayers with his blessings! Praise the Lord!"
Something bad happens: "Even though I prayed, it just wasn't meant to be. God has other plans for me, and this is a trial I must overcome. Praise the Lord!"

Yeah...
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Praying is a good thing it helps you to feel better and God answers prayers in his own way I believe
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Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:

One thing is true, if there was no god, neither would there be athiest.


Unless you're implying that god created the athiests, I don't see how that is true.

It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it might exist.
It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it does not exist.

If we could only believe that things that exist don't... what a world that would be. It gets weird if one tries to imagine that being true.
For instance, if there were a glass half full, must there also exist milk in the empty part for one to believe that it is empty?


Im not caling anybody out but the easiest way to say it is, where there is good, doubt will rise against it.

Doubt is impartial and unbiased; it rises against everything, including itself.
When doubt prevents a person from trusting an honest man, it is bad, but when doubt saves a person from trusting a con man, is it not good?

I can only assume from your reply that you meant that god created the atheists, but you realize you cannot back it up with any sort of logic, so you resort to implying that I am not good.

Fair enough - if to be good is to be afraid to consider that you may be wrong, then I'd rather not be good.
As long as there is reason to doubt, I'll keep my eyes open in search of truth.


While it is true your not good, neither am I. Infact, im probably a thousand times worse than you. None of us are perfect but that doesnt matter, besides, being perfect is overated. Lets not get in any debate vecause its a hassle and i have nerdy stuff to do.

You're right, it is a waste of time for us to debate this.


I might be mistaken but that really sounded like you were trying to provoke me.

I can see how you might have taken it that way, but I was merely agreeing with your reply.
You effectively said the same thing in your last sentence.

(and I did have something better to do at that time, since the boiler in my apartment finally got fixed and I wanted to take a shower with non-freezing water)

Besides which, it is my experience that debates such as this are pointless, because people tend to form and change their beliefs based on personal experience. No matter how eloquently you or I may argue our point, it is highly unlikely the other will come around to agree with it; thus, it is a waste of time for us to debate this - we'll just end up where we started, only with less time left to us.
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ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:


ahatestory wrote:


Jdaimond wrote:

One thing is true, if there was no god, neither would there be athiest.


Unless you're implying that god created the athiests, I don't see how that is true.

It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it might exist.
It is not necessary for something to exist for one to believe it does not exist.

If we could only believe that things that exist don't... what a world that would be. It gets weird if one tries to imagine that being true.
For instance, if there were a glass half full, must there also exist milk in the empty part for one to believe that it is empty?


Im not caling anybody out but the easiest way to say it is, where there is good, doubt will rise against it.

Doubt is impartial and unbiased; it rises against everything, including itself.
When doubt prevents a person from trusting an honest man, it is bad, but when doubt saves a person from trusting a con man, is it not good?

I can only assume from your reply that you meant that god created the atheists, but you realize you cannot back it up with any sort of logic, so you resort to implying that I am not good.

Fair enough - if to be good is to be afraid to consider that you may be wrong, then I'd rather not be good.
As long as there is reason to doubt, I'll keep my eyes open in search of truth.


While it is true your not good, neither am I. Infact, im probably a thousand times worse than you. None of us are perfect but that doesnt matter, besides, being perfect is overated. Lets not get in any debate vecause its a hassle and i have nerdy stuff to do.

You're right, it is a waste of time for us to debate this.


I might be mistaken but that really sounded like you were trying to provoke me.

I can see how you might have taken it that way, but I was merely agreeing with your reply.
You effectively said the same thing in your last sentence.

(and I did have something better to do at that time, since the boiler in my apartment finally got fixed and I wanted to take a shower with non-freezing water)

Besides which, it is my experience that debates such as this are pointless, because people tend to form and change their beliefs based on personal experience. No matter how eloquently you or I may argue our point, it is highly unlikely the other will come around to agree with it; thus, it is a waste of time for us to debate this - we'll just end up where we started, only with less time left to us.


Couldnt have said it better myself. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Nope, but the person conducting such an act will most likely psychologically convince themselves that it does...
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Of course it works. Don't be foolish everybody. All of Creation is just energy/consciousness. All of reality is just One Big Idea, therefore you can manipulated reality with your thoughts and emotions. Reality is just made out of thoughts and emotions.
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-Vega- wrote:

Of course it works. Don't be foolish everybody. All of Creation is just energy/consciousness. All of reality is just One Big Idea, therefore you can manipulated reality with your thoughts and emotions. Reality is just made out of thoughts and emotions.


I find it Ironic that you're Dr. Manhatten talking about energy and creation and consciousness. You know what Id like to do? Make a steak without getting up, maybe I should pray for it hard enough and it will happen.

Fact is, we as people do not have atomic powers, we cannot manipulate things on the quantum level with our minds. And until someone shows otherwise I'm going to continue believing that. I'm sure at some point in your life you wished, prayed, or thought really hard about wishing the entire world enlightenment, or people like me to understand and convert or see the error of their ways, but yet that has also failed.

The evidence is insurmountable, please don't speak so lightly of things you haven't buckled down and truly tried to understand. If reality is only thought and emotion then this world doesn't exist without people, and that is a premise far too arrogant to even begin to give time to.
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netdisorder wrote:

There was a test on praying done using 300 terminal cancer patients. 600 people were told to pray for the 300 cancer patients. 300 would pray for 150 patients, and 300 for the other 150. 150 (1/2) of the cancer patients were told that they were being prayed for.

When the results came in, it showed that the 150 cancer patients who weren't prayed for actually fared better than the 150 who were prayed for. The 150 who were prayed for said that they felt more pressure and stress than usual knowing that other people were thinking about them, while not wanting to let down the people who prayed.

I'm not saying that it never works. But that it didn't for these terminally ill cancer patients. Perhaps it's because it was a test. But still, the prayers had to have still been genuine, coming from regular church attendees and priests.


Didn't they technically break a biblical rule by doing that? (Matt. 4:7)


Seems like a convenient way of keeping people from trying to find any proof of Gods existence. It's basically saying "If you can't observe God, then don't bother trying because you should just focus on believing instead of using your natural ability to question and attempt to comprehend in order to observe something".

Why would God make us curious, intellectual, and give us the ability to search for truth to the meaning of our existence, if he doesn't want us to find his miracles?

Have you ever heard about the visions/apparitions in Medjugorje (which is in Bosnia/Herzegovina)? Here is a link if interested: http://www.medjugorje.org/medpage.htm The visions have been going on since 1981 to the present time, though I think only 2 of the 6 visionaries now have visions every month. I actually took a pilgrimage there a few years ago and stayed at one of the visionary's home. I loved it there and wouldn't mind going back there if given the chance again. It was such a wonderful and spiritually enriching experience. These 6 visionaries actually have been thoroughly scientifically tested, while they were having their visions/apparitions. You can see the scientific conclusions here: http://www.medjugorje.org/science.htm or http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_15_2_pandarakalam.pdf
Science actually agrees overwhelmingly that something of supernatural occurrence is taking place. In short, there are times when God does allow certain "kinds of testings" to take place, but all of which is to help us to believe in Him and to turn back to Him - which is the main message of Medjugorje.
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Well, if E=MC2, and thoughts are a form of energy E, then physically they could be transformed into matter,light and speed, and could be attributed a creative property.

Its like IntToString in programming, one thing can be transformed into something else because they are basically the same thing, just brought in a variation.

I guess what matters is the translator, how much ability do you have to have your thoughts to be translated into reality?

If there is any creator , maybe this can be done for you, the exact process to this is completely unbeknownst to me tho.



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We are all God. We are all of Creation and the Creator of Creation.
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