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hey i totally agree with you about supporting the anime industry otherwise they wouldn't be able to make more anime,like ppl say money moves the world.the only thing that i really disagree with you its about supporting the ppl who post ilegal links because the companies are the ones who suffer a great loss....there's more that i would like to say but honestly supporting the piracy is no good....
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I like the fact that I can support the anime industry through CR, but there are times that they just don't have a series I'm looking for so I have no other option than to look elsewhere.
Still, there is a good range on CR and the fact that it streams to almost anything with a network interface means I'll continue to be a premium member.
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dacan13 wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:


dacan13 wrote:
I don't think any anime is restricted to a certain country, at least not as a premium member. Never used Crunchyroll for free, would go insane if i had to watch all of the ads. + HD is nice..

Yes, regional restrictions also apply for premium members, although for some series they are less restrictive.




Are you certain? I have yet to encounter any regional restrictions. And since i'm a paying customer, i would get a bit pissed if they block the anime i want to.


The series that are restricted for us simply dont show up, for example bakemongatari is not available outside the US so the videos dont show up
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Ohh i see, that makes sense.
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The title was a bit too misleading.

Going back to the OP, it's a hydra of a matter. Better folks have tried. It is crap, but that culture have taken too deep of a root. It's not impossible nor hopeless to take it off, but it's just too hard and too much resources at the moment.
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Tekrelious wrote:

On another website I browse which discusses anime but where posting illegal links goes unpunished the people there laugh when I mention I have a CR account. In their mind, if you want to support anime you should steal it then buy figures and music if you like it.

That's just crap. I'm not here to support the anime industry directly, I'm here to support the localization of anime. The translators and coders and whatnot who bring anime to us online. Don't support them and the whole localization indurstry collapses. Just look at fansubs of Saint October, Fushigiboshi no Futago Hime, or Pretty Rhythm Aurora Dream to see why we cannot depend on fansubbers alone. We need Crunchyroll.

So it bothers me not just the attitudes of the people who steal it but when I find sites blatently disregarding copyright.

Anyway, I just did a google search for Boku no Imouto wa Osaka Okan because I was curious about the voice actors in it and the first page was a link to Wikipedia, and an entire page of anime streaming sites with the episodes online.

What can I, or we if others join me, do about this? Is there a way to report it to CR? Would it make a difference? Being the NA/English copyright holders they can pursue legal action but I've learned that in many cases such sites are ignored.


It's sad that they laugh at you. Such people will kill localization. I'd argue even legal streaming is part of the problem. Crunchy roll and other sites like it cut out the middle man. Ie ADV, GAINAX, Tokyo Pop, Viz, etc. from the localization chain.

If you really want to support localization buy dvds. New and not used.

now myself, I'm not above the occasional illegal stream. I justify it to myself by saying it's a free preview and have been pretty good about buying the DVDs of any show I watch completely in this manner. I'm also prone due to convience to leave my dvd's in the cellophane and watch a stream (illegal or not) I don't consider these actions to be harming the process

Another justification I use for my own illegal streams, is a refusal to be punished for the license holders unable to get the stuff together. I'd have no problem with someone with a premium member ship on CR watches an anime that's licensed to CR but not available in their region illegally. Nitpick about the copyright law all you like. They paid for the show. It's not their fault that copyrights are a tangled mess of greed.

Oh yeah and if Funimation actually had a working player, I'd pay for a membership there, as it is, until they get their act together I have no guilt about watching their stuff illegally either.

That's how I feel, your mileage may vary.

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Are you certain? I have yet to encounter any regional restrictions. And since i'm a paying customer, i would get a bit pissed if they block the anime i want to.

I'm positive. To start with, very few of the catalog titles on Crunchyroll are available outside of the United States and Canada, due to having been licensed from a U.S. distributor who themselves only has rights for those countries.

As an example, try viewing episodes of any of the following:

Angel Beats
Bakemonogatari
Blue Drop
Kimi ni Todoke
Queen's Blade
Toradora

If you can view all of those, then go to the Contact Us page, scroll to the bottom, and check the "Detected country:" under "Your system details". I'll wager it isn't showing you as in Sweden.

As for simulcasts, try the links for these recent ones:

Bakumatsu Gijinden Roman
(Availability: U.S., Canada, Caribbean, Central America, South America, and Latin America)

Oreshura
(Availability: U.S., Canada, United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa)



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Honestly if they are not pirating licensed videos from CR, Funimation, TAN, etc... I don't care and there really is not much you can do about it. Those that pirate from these sources have absolutely no excuse except that they are cheap! Fansubs for content that has not been licensed in your country is not as bad but it still prevents companies who later license it to get less income from it.

Needless to say there is a reason Anime is not gaining much industry momentum outside japan and any it has gained is probably mostly from legal streaming services like CR.

Pirating is Stealing and anyone who says otherwise is a criminal and immoral person.
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Fansubs for content that has not been licensed in your country is not as bad but it still prevents companies who later license it to get less income from it.

Needless to say there is a reason Anime is not gaining much industry momentum outside japan and any it has gained is probably mostly from legal streaming services like CR.

Pirating is Stealing and anyone who says otherwise is a criminal and immoral person.


What companies? I can wait forever to see some anime's in my country like for example: Cardfight, Hakkenden or Magi. The change for them airing in TV, issued on DVD or other sources in my country are more likely zero.

If my only options to watch it is:
a) download them from Internet by subgroup or rip group
b) wait for they released in English is some country & them ship them
I chose then option a) because its to expensive to buy all animes that I want to watch on DVD & ship then.

I will not buy CR subscription when people from USA can watch all the season anime, when I can watch only less than 20% of it for the same money.
When animes were distributed in my country by DVD I bought them, but they not currently any more (only mangas are available).

And about "criminal and immoral person" You should not say such things, its only Your personal toughs, I don't fell like a criminal & my morality is my mortality not yours.
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I'm frankly sympathetic with regard to the OP's views. I'm also thankful that I don't have the likely thankless task of directly combatting piracy or enforcing copyrights and licenses and such, and am really responsible only for my own and my family's conduct. As as individual, one could perhaps report apparent violations to the copyright holders or law enforcment, but it'd be entirely up to those bodies to act (and I'd guess they're already largely aware of the problem). As it is, those who deem themselves entitled to said product will continue to justify to themselves and to any who will listen their actions, just as they always have. The speed and ease of fansubs' appearance and access frankly makes it all too easy to fall to this temptation. Whether such justifications will stand before a judge if/when they come before one may be another question entirely.

I'll also comment on what strikes me as the absurdity of Malik12's last paragraph, even though the sentiments contained there are a mantra of this age. Should Assassinx89 not say what he said merely because Malik12 took offense? Furthermore, is what makes one a criminal or immoral person simply how one feels about one's own actions? Anders Brevik, to take a recent prominent example (he shot and killed 70-something people in Norway, and wounded many more), from what I've read of him, seems to consider his own acts justified, and maybe even thinks himself a hero. Does it make him so, then? Shall he be set free and exonerated of any crime? Can any society that operates on such a standard of criminality or morality stand for very long?
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I feel guilty every time I do, but allot of the time I can't find an anime I want anywhere, and am forced to watch fansubs/download. Before coming to CR, I'll admit that's all I did. Up until now, my only way to watch "Little Busters!" was by torrenting/streaming fansubs (But yay CR got it :)!) The thing was, I never saw the harm in it until a few months ago, I didn't realize how much of an effect it had on the industry.

But I still can't find a legal stream for Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou...(If I'm wrong and there is one, point me in that direction)
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Malik12 wrote:


Assassinx89 wrote:
Fansubs for content that has not been licensed in your country is not as bad but it still prevents companies who later license it to get less income from it.

Needless to say there is a reason Anime is not gaining much industry momentum outside japan and any it has gained is probably mostly from legal streaming services like CR.

Pirating is Stealing and anyone who says otherwise is a criminal and immoral person.


What companies? I can wait forever to see some anime's in my country like for example: Cardfight, Hakkenden or Magi. The change for them airing in TV, issued on DVD or other sources in my country are more likely zero.

If my only options to watch it is:
a) download them from Internet by subgroup or rip group
b) wait for they released in English is some country & them ship them
I chose then option a) because its to expensive to buy all animes that I want to watch on DVD & ship then.

I will not buy CR subscription when people from USA can watch all the season anime, when I can watch only less than 20% of it for the same money.
When animes were distributed in my country by DVD I bought them, but they not currently any more (only mangas are available).

And about "criminal and immoral person" You should not say such things, its only Your personal toughs, I don't fell like a criminal & my morality is my mortality not yours.


If a man shoots another man with no justification, but it didn't go against his morals, and he didn't see it as a problem, would it be alright? Just because he doesn't look at it as being bad or immoral, it's alright? Rethink that statement.
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Posted 1/10/13 , edited 1/10/13

dacan13 wrote:

TheAncientOne wrote: Yes, regional restrictions also apply for premium members, although for some series they are less restrictive.

Are you certain? I have yet to encounter any regional restrictions. And since i'm a paying customer, i would get a bit pissed if they block the anime i want to.


Yes. For Sweden, this season, as far as I know, 13.6 (13 full length, 6 shorts) out of 17.6 ~ region blocked for Vividred Operation; Chihaya Furu 2; Bakumatsu Gijinden Roman; and Oreshura.

Last season, 13.1 out of 19.1, blocked for Sword Art Online; Hakuoki Reimeiroku; Dog Days; Cardfight!! Asian Vangard; Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere II; and Nakaimo.

Crunchyroll filters out blocked series in the "shows" pages and various information displays, so if you use those filtered displays, you simply won't see them.


Malik12 wrote:
... And about "criminal and immoral person" You should not say such things, its only Your personal toughs, I don't fell like a criminal & my morality is my mortality not yours.

The morality can be debated, the criminality cannot be ~ if you are in a country that is a signatory to the Berne copyright convention, copyright is the law, and its illegal to distribute a copyrighted work without permission of the creator or their designated agent.

In terms of people in countries that have only 20% of the access that US & Canadian members have, if it was me, I'd drop the premium membership and do a free membership. Depending on the history of licensing for my country, I might well consider torrenting. But I'd never give advertising revenue to a leech streaming site that competes head to head against legit sites that pay royalties to the rights owners.
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Im willing to support CR because its rather cheap and simple. You can watch shows for hardly anything, and in good quality. But like it was mentioned above, some titles arent available in certain countries. Im not gonna pay hundreds of dollars on anime dvds, not to mention i would have to ship most of them(not to mention the animes would be completely out of date by the time i get to watch them). Anime is great, but im not gonna wear myself out to be able to watch it. I would say there is a middle line between simply pirate downloading, and using all your money for anime.
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well I try my best to support anime market I got a Crunchyroll, Netflix, Funimation, Animenetwork, and Hulu paid accounts. It's a must for me to buy blue rays/dvd copies for me to enjoy whenever i feel like it or if the series has extra scenes such as in Mayo Chiki.
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