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CR is the reason I was finally able to see Fist of the North Star in japanese for the very first time, and see ALL OF THE EPISODES OF THE SERIES!!

It is the reason I saw the original japanese version of Voltron, Go-Lion. I also saw Lucky Star, and the "2nd season" of Haruhi (yes I saw the entire endless 8) through CR.

So I owe a lot to Crunchyroll for making all of this possible. That's why they need to be supported by the entire anime industry and it's fans like us. You see competition breeds better products, and as far as I know I don't know of any competitors to a service like Crunchyroll.

While I've finally given up my countless requests for CR to show super sentai, I feel that CR is just starting to come into it's own as a place where fans can go and watch anime legally, and in HD too.

Look there's nothing you can do about these sites that stream illegally. They're like roaches. You kill one, and a million more show up. However, if more people got on board with CR and it had competition, then those sites would lose clicks and shut down. Just my take on it.
Posted 7/12/13
CR is my only place for watching anime. It is the most for my money and I won't be wasting my money on DVDs of random shows with a hope of them being good. It can be argued that I am supporting localizations much less because I only pay 7 dollars a month instead of how much I would spend in the past, but if CR were not around I would not watch anime anymore. The fee to watch a few shows in HD is well worth it for me.

There isn't really anything you can do. A lot of fans of various forms of entertainment feel entitled to it. I'm the only person I have met in person that has their iPod filled only with music bought from iTunes. Not saying there aren't other legal ways to purchase music (and I don't want to go in to iTunes quality). People like us are in the minority. No need to go on a crusade about it, we're the abnormal ones. It happens and if one of the higher ups wanted to act they would with C&D, ect.
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If you want to truly support the industry, buy BDs, figmas, manga, objects of that nature. You'll do a lot more for the industry that way.

Anyway, the reason people use fansubbed anime is because it's better quality than CR's/Daisuki/etc's free service and free. It's pretty simple.
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DetectiveAlex wrote:

If you want to truly support the industry, buy BDs, figmas, manga, objects of that nature. You'll do a lot more for the industry that way.

Anyway, the reason people use fansubbed anime is because it's better quality than CR's/Daisuki/etc's free service and free. It's pretty simple.


Or they live in some european or south american 3rd world country that is outside of CR's supported region.
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TheJudged wrote:


DetectiveAlex wrote:

If you want to truly support the industry, buy BDs, figmas, manga, objects of that nature. You'll do a lot more for the industry that way.

Anyway, the reason people use fansubbed anime is because it's better quality than CR's/Daisuki/etc's free service and free. It's pretty simple.


Or they live in some european or south american 3rd world country that is outside of CR's supported region.


Or CR doesn't carry a certain Anime you like (like the entire To Aru series).

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First I pay CR and Funi subs.

Second I watch Funi shows on Fan-Sub because the site is too much hassle.Even CR I had to go to 480.

Third The shows have better and or uncensored narrative.AQnd scenes are uincensored.A lot of songs are English Subbed too.

Fourth the shows that dont get picked up are there.And specials OVAS too!

Fifth Funi is US only and CR has restrictions too for countries,Blame the goverments for that.
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I understand that other sites may have illegal links and I get that it doesn't help the industry etc. however many countries would hardly have any anime if they were not there I mean America is pretty lucky as they get a lot of licencing for Crunchyroll not to mention that Funimation is not available anywhere except America so other countries would be pretty much screwed without them, I mean I would happily pay for Funimation as well if it was in the UK and also released anime that Crunchyroll didn't. Also all the OVA's you miss out on a good example being TWGOK had it's OVA arc which leads into the new season and people would have no clue what is going on.
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On another website I browse which discusses anime but where posting illegal links goes unpunished the people there laugh when I mention I have a CR account. In their mind, if you want to support anime you should steal it then buy figures and music if you like it.

That's just crap. I'm not here to support the anime industry directly, I'm here to support the localization of anime. The translators and coders and whatnot who bring anime to us online. Don't support them and the whole localization indurstry collapses. Just look at fansubs of Saint October, Fushigiboshi no Futago Hime, or Pretty Rhythm Aurora Dream to see why we cannot depend on fansubbers alone. We need Crunchyroll.

So it bothers me not just the attitudes of the people who steal it but when I find sites blatently disregarding copyright.

Anyway, I just did a google search for Boku no Imouto wa Osaka Okan because I was curious about the voice actors in it and the first page was a link to Wikipedia, and an entire page of anime streaming sites with the episodes online.

What can I, or we if others join me, do about this? Is there a way to report it to CR? Would it make a difference? Being the NA/English copyright holders they can pursue legal action but I've learned that in many cases such sites are ignored.


Haha, oh wow.
There are hundreds upon hundreds of streaming sites.
If not thousands.
And there are also torrenting sites.
If you really expect all of those to be shut down, you're out of your mind.
Fansubbing is what gets anime subbed when big studios can't get their hands on them.
Just look at how CR licenses expire for anime such as Code Geass.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to pay for anime. If you want to do that, go buy the DVD's.
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Posted 7/13/13

jamesistewart wrote:

I understand that other sites may have illegal links and I get that it doesn't help the industry etc. however many countries would hardly have any anime if they were not there I mean America is pretty lucky as they get a lot of licencing for Crunchyroll not to mention that Funimation is not available anywhere except America so other countries would be pretty much screwed without them, I mean I would happily pay for Funimation as well if it was in the UK and also released anime that Crunchyroll didn't. Also all the OVA's you miss out on a good example being TWGOK had it's OVA arc which leads into the new season and people would have no clue what is going on.


You guys in the UK have your own streaming service. The failure is the poor organizational skills you fans have in letting those legal services know what anime to license.

And for the TWGOK case, by now, you should already know whether or not you like the series enough to want the OVA, in which it is infinitly easier to obtain (same with anime/manga/CDs in general) than video games.
Posted 7/13/13 , edited 7/14/13
I definitely prefer paying subscription to help support something I enjoy. But if no one picks it up I will watch it fan subbed.

I'll eventually pick up the DVD of any series I quite enjoy anyway, so regardless of how I watch it I'll still support the industry at some point down the line.
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I've noticed a few people stating they pay for CR (and sometimes other services), but watch fansubs.

While it is true that this helps the services and even the industry as a whole, it doesn't necessarily help the shows you are interested in.

Why not?

When you pay your subscription fee, part of that goes to fund the service's operating costs and profit. Another portion goes to licensing of programming, which includes both contract costs, minimum guarantees and any streaming royalties that exceed the MG.

Let's out of CR's subscription base, 50,000 people are interested in a specific show, but perhaps due to the fact CR has the broadcast (censored) version, 35,000 opt for an uncensored fansub ripped from AT-X. That means CR records only 15,000 views. Assuming CR based their MG on 20,000 views, it appears the show cost them more than expected, and when the sequel comes around, they lower their MG (and possibly don't get the show). On the other hand, if their minimum guarantee was based on only 10,000 views, then the publisher gets paid an excess royalty for only 5,000 additional views instead of 40,000.

If you really want to support specific programs, at least stream them in 360p in the background while working on something else on your computer.




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Third The shows have better and or uncensored narrative.AQnd scenes are uincensored. A lot of songs are English Subbed too.

Of course, those versions with uncensored scenes are ripped from AT-X or other premium satellite stations in Japan that people there pay good money for (i.e, substantially more than CR costs).

Since you don't watch the shows on Funimation, you probably don't know they subtitle the OP and ED, even for their simulcasts. (I've seen it suggested negotiating the rights for this is why their simulcasts often start late).

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Tekrelious wrote:

On another website I browse which discusses anime but where posting illegal links goes unpunished the people there laugh when I mention I have a CR account. In their mind, if you want to support anime you should steal it then buy figures and music if you like it.

That's just crap. I'm not here to support the anime industry directly, I'm here to support the localization of anime. The translators and coders and whatnot who bring anime to us online. Don't support them and the whole localization indurstry collapses. Just look at fansubs of Saint October, Fushigiboshi no Futago Hime, or Pretty Rhythm Aurora Dream to see why we cannot depend on fansubbers alone. We need Crunchyroll.

So it bothers me not just the attitudes of the people who steal it but when I find sites blatently disregarding copyright.

Anyway, I just did a google search for Boku no Imouto wa Osaka Okan because I was curious about the voice actors in it and the first page was a link to Wikipedia, and an entire page of anime streaming sites with the episodes online.

What can I, or we if others join me, do about this? Is there a way to report it to CR? Would it make a difference? Being the NA/English copyright holders they can pursue legal action but I've learned that in many cases such sites are ignored.


Haha, oh wow.
There are hundreds upon hundreds of streaming sites.
If not thousands.
And there are also torrenting sites.
If you really expect all of those to be shut down, you're out of your mind.
Fansubbing is what gets anime subbed when big studios can't get their hands on them.
Just look at how CR licenses expire for anime such as Code Geass.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to pay for anime. If you want to do that, go buy the DVD's.




You have got to be joking

This is the same old stupid uninformed argument I get elsewhere. Let's go out and buy the DVDs eh? How about looking for DVDs for Lilpri ... nope, don't exist. Shugo Chara? Nada. Folktales From Japan? Space Brothers? Pretty Cure? Fairy Musketeers? Nothing. Without Crunchyroll these shows would be dead.

You have to be insane to think that buying anime DVDs is the solution. Or worse that importing DVDs somehow encourages subtitlers.

I'll give some examples since you're so new at this.

Fushigiboshi no Futago Hime took SEVEN YEARS to finish fansubbing just the first season, we will NEVER see the second.
Yes Precure 5! got stalled for FOUR YEARS on episode 20.
Saint October was dropped by 3 different fansubbers and took over FIVE YEARS to finish.
Pretty Rhythm took over a year to finish season 1 there is no hope for the second.
I have been waiting for over FIFTEEN YEARS to see the end of Idol Defense Force Hummingbird. I'm certain I never will.
Fushigi Mahou Fan Fan Pharmacy? Forget it. It's been over 15 years and nobody has even started.

It's fools like you that are entirely the problem with the industry today. Fansubbing will never be able to support the industry, it never has and it never will and what's worse is it's all left up to the whims of people who are never paid to care about quality or paid to care about service and at any time and for any reason may drop a project midway through.
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I only watch anime on illegal sites for a few reasons:
1) To watch OVA episode(s) that came with a manga volume for a limited release (ex. Sekai ichi Hatsukoi)
2) To watch the Japanese episodes of Pokemon (I am REALLY hating the dub for a whole bunch of reasons)
3) There are certain anime genres that aren't normally licensed or for streaming purposes (I'm not sure about the Anime Network's website) (ex. Mecha -like a lot of the Gundam series-, yaoi, shounen-ai, yuri, etc. For some reason I like watching these genres in Japanese with English subtitles)

Oddly enough if I think an anime isn't on any streaming site but somehow I find it on Hulu (ex Junjou Romantica). (I apologize for using yaoi anime as examples)
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Oh, by the way spectralMagician? You people who steal anime don't buy DVDs either. Remember Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha? HUGE fan favorite, lots of people downloading the show and watching it so they bring it over to the US and .... surprise surprise it sells under 500 copies and loses Funimation thousands of dollars.

Why?

Because you have to sell to the people that DON'T download the show and a show with Magical Girl in the title is instant death on American retail shelves. So despite the fact that fans in the US loved it almost none of them went out to actually buy and support the show. So no, don't feed me garbage.
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>so new
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No, buying DVD's isn't the only solution. That's a given. That's a wrong on my part.
The quality part, though. While a lot of subbers, [Commie] and [gg] for example have decent, but not [HorribleSubs], it's still understandable. And if we're talking video quality wise, 1080p is nothing to sneeze at. Dropping projects is an issue though, can't really control it though.
Localization of anime has been a problem forever. Even with sites like CR. Funi, and Viz, not all series get licensed (shooting in the dark here, I don't think Legend of Galactic Heroes has been localized in any way, but it's still up there in the ratings. Stuff like that probably won't ever get licences over seas.)
If you really believe fansubs have no way of supporting the industry, that's wrong. It would be wrong to say that it helps the industry in a large way, but for those of us in countries that don't get the same material the US does, who will also buy merch, it does help.
I mean, just using a shoddy example, Vocaloid isn't as get hype in the West as it is cross country, but the import rates on games/figma/etc. are high. (And yes, I'm aware of the fact that there is an en website for Vocaloid03 but 03 isn't the biggest seller, either)
If you've ever been in a buyf/a/g thread, I assure you that the majority torrents/streams through fansubs but still throws down the money because muh waifu.
Hentai/NSFW also will never be localized.
Wait, Bible Black.
Most hentai will never be localized and the industry will never get supported without streams because figures.

Anyway, I think I'm rambling so
tl;dr While fansubbing doesn't help the industry, it doesn't necessarily hurt it either. And it won't go away no matter how bad you want it to. It's kinda like pirating music, I guess.
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