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WHAT A HEATED DISCUSSION

TheAncientOne wrote:

I've noticed a few people stating they pay for CR (and sometimes other services), but watch fansubs.

While it is true that this helps the services and even the industry as a whole, it doesn't necessarily help the shows you are interested in.

Why not?

When you pay your subscription fee, part of that goes to fund the service's operating costs and profit. Another portion goes to licensing of programming, which includes both contract costs, minimum guarantees and any streaming royalties that exceed the MG.

Let's out of CR's subscription base, 50,000 people are interested in a specific show, but perhaps due to the fact CR has the broadcast (censored) version, 35,000 opt for an uncensored fansub ripped from AT-X. That means CR records only 15,000 views. Assuming CR based their MG on 20,000 views, it appears the show cost them more than expected, and when the sequel comes around, they lower their MG (and possibly don't get the show). On the other hand, if their minimum guarantee was based on only 10,000 views, then the publisher gets paid an excess royalty for only 5,000 additional views instead of 40,000.

If you really want to support specific programs, at least stream them in 360p in the background while working on something else on your computer.




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Third The shows have better and or uncensored narrative.AQnd scenes are uincensored. A lot of songs are English Subbed too.

Of course, those versions with uncensored scenes are ripped from AT-X or other premium satellite stations in Japan that people there pay good money for (i.e, substantially more than CR costs).

Since you don't watch the shows on Funimation, you probably don't know they subtitle the OP and ED, even for their simulcasts. (I've seen it suggested negotiating the rights for this is why their simulcasts often start late).



AncientOne I always respect your comments and you do have very valid points.I will again offer my counterpoints

1. As far as Funimation goes a lot of people I mean a lot constantly have problems with the website whether logging in, using the site to acess the shows,then if lucky the player works.It doesnt get resolved.You say support the industry but I as a paying customer is basically paying for nothing then.How can you count views if you cant use the site.I have BBB and The Texas State Attorney Dept of Consumer Affairs bookmarked.They say again they will be a fix soon but when.??

Thats what drove me to an excellent fan-sub site where I have flawless streaming!


And Because of that I found shows that are there but not on CR or Funi! So I watch there.BTW I do but DVD's now and then also!

2. When I watch only my browser is running.Besides Funi CR basically says its always our fault. I change the flash settings etc all that stuff. A customer should be able to watch w/o frustration.But going to 480 works so I can live with that.

3.Back to the OP's and ED's not all shows are FUNI's.It would be nice if CR did it but that's a minor point.

4. I have watched shows on CR or vice-versa where the translation is different on the fan-sub and actually makes more sense.And the translation is not censored.

5.Back to licensing a lot of CR viewers in the world dont see all the shows so again they go elsewhere. Thats how it is! its so stupid especially the EU what a joke they are really.

6.You talk about counts CR viewers are fussy.I am watching a lot this summer but some people feel it's a bust.I dont know how many subs CR has let alone non-subs and you see the views and they are low.You cant blame fan-subs for that.I am watching at least 15 to 20 shows this summer.

7.And here's something both CR and Funimation missed out on Love Lab ( excellent show) and Symphogear 2 lots of action.A lot of people panned Season 1 so either Funi didnt pick it up or whatever.Fans may to blame!

8.I also watch shows whose license's have expired or they are not on anywhere else.
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1. The UK fan base is tiny compared to that of America nothing much anyone can do about that.
2. The small fan base means that since there is not as much an interest in Anime overall in this country and others, the Anime producers not crunchyroll get the right to say where the Anime can be Broadcast and if they don't see many as many fans as they want they can say no which believe it or not happens.
3. You think it is easy to acquire OVA's, Anime etc. because you can get it easily when I buy blu-ray for Anime I have to go through all the sh*t of making sure it isn't region locked and all that crap because once again the UK doesn't get as much Anime because of the smaller Fan base, I mean if you think it is easy come to the UK and buy all your Anime etc. and see how "easy" it is then especially where I live.
Infinitely easier to buy than video games is utter bull I can easily purchase a video game in comparison to Anime etc.


It really is a sad state of affairs with the UK anime industry. Once Anime-on-Demand closes, Crunchyroll will be the only legal streaming service left. All of our local distributors are still living in the past in terms of sales. There's no streaming services, no Toonami-esque anime block, and certainly no attempts are being made to dig themselves out of the rut they've made themselves with years of stagnation.

It's not all doom and gloom, though. Anime Limited seems very promising with the few licenses they've picked up.
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jamesistewart wrote:

1. The UK fan base is tiny compared to that of America nothing much anyone can do about that.
2. The small fan base means that since there is not as much an interest in Anime overall in this country and others, the Anime producers not crunchyroll get the right to say where the Anime can be Broadcast and if they don't see many as many fans as they want they can say no which believe it or not happens.
3. You think it is easy to acquire OVA's, Anime etc. because you can get it easily when I buy blu-ray for Anime I have to go through all the sh*t of making sure it isn't region locked and all that crap because once again the UK doesn't get as much Anime because of the smaller Fan base, I mean if you think it is easy come to the UK and buy all your Anime etc. and see how "easy" it is then especially where I live.
Infinitely easier to buy than video games is utter bull I can easily purchase a video game in comparison to Anime etc.


It really is a sad state of affairs with the UK anime industry. Once Anime-on-Demand closes, Crunchyroll will be the only legal streaming service left. All of our local distributors are still living in the past in terms of sales. There's no streaming services, no Toonami-esque anime block, and certainly no attempts are being made to dig themselves out of the rut they've made themselves with years of stagnation.

It's not all doom and gloom, though. Anime Limited seems very promising with the few licenses they've picked up.


Yeah I agree maybe when/if anime etc. gets more popular here in the UK there will be more of a chance of getting more streaming services and more local distributors might start stocking on these things but at the moment it isn't very likely but maybe some day.
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I would buy more anime if they sold whole seasons in box sets. what's with the ridiculous volumes they sell them at. I remember 1 volume of FMA which contained 3,or 4 episodes selling for 17.50. I mean that's ridiculous I got Cowboy bebop,the soundtrack,and the movie for only 33.00 dollars. I got trigun for only 20 dollars. I got GTO for 36.00 dollars. anyone know where I can get a full season of Gintama for a decent price. I wouldn't mind owning the first 5 seasons.


If you go to Myanimelist, search for the anime you want to buy the dvd/blurays of, then click the "Buy @ Rightstuf" link under the picture, then you might be able to buy it.
They don't have everything of course, but they have a lot.

http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/
I prefer to just go through MAL.

You can also buy other merchandise on there, like tshirts, mugs, novels and much more.
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Before finding crunchyroll, virtually all the websites I use to watch were destroyed/erased.

I respect the industry, I buy the dvds/blurays where I can. I however hate it when they claim there is no interest in it for them to make. FMAB was on bluray, then they stopped it and just to annoy everyone, they went and made the usa version region a only when the previous 2 where a & b.
So I bought from the usa instead of sticking with dvds. Crazy thing is now after over a year they finally brought rest to bluray but it is still cheaper what I did then to go to a store in uk or online uk to buy it!

Then there's the cancellations of blurays, like haruhi! They claimed there was no interest and poor sales to keep bluray. YOU CAN NOT SAY THAT WHEN IT HAS ONLY BEEN 1 DAY OF SALES!

Sorry for rant, but my point is this, if they do not care for the fans, if they cheat them and if they lie, of course they're going to find other means.

Many claim cos I bought from usa, I want uk anime to fail. Quite the opposite, I get from usa cos I want legit and I want to enjoy it!

I just wish we got the same treatment as usa for anime, how I'd love to see anime on tv again.


Going back to the main point, I see nothing wrong with streaming if there's no way to watch shows in your country. Downloading/torrent is another kettle of fish, it is wrong yet I can not see it being stopped. Especially if pirated dvds are still being made to this date.
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I stated my reasons before for using fan-sub besides CR and Funi(ugh!) But as a bonus they just upgaded their player with an amazing video and sound quality.And it was good before.Just great streaming.So I dont get it always the consumer fault for not being able to stream yet something I dont pay for works better.What a way to run a service.
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all i came here to say is. if you love something, you should not use illegal means to get it. suport the anime industry and buy your anime
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FLjerry2011 wrote:

I stated my reasons before for using fan-sub besides CR and Funi(ugh!) But as a bonus they just upgraded their player with an amazing video and sound quality.And it was good before.Just great streaming.So I dont get it always the consumer fault for not being able to stream yet something I dont pay for works better.What a way to run a service.


Maybe I'm just really awesome, but I only have problems with Funimation maybe once a month, which is not really all that bad. It's been years since I've used the "free" online streaming sites, but I remember having problems every week with them (sometimes every day if I'm watching a lot), so Funi doesn't seem so bad in comparison. Of course, these days fansubs are mostly torrents or sometimes direct download, and of course you're going to have less problems when you can access the files straight from your hard drive.

Not that that's necessarily an argument for online streaming. Fansubs are more reliable technologically because they do things that is really kind of impractical for legal licensors -- they give you the show. Essentially, minus the box art and assorted goodies, you basically own the show, which is a bit of a bargain at the current rate of about $7 a month.

I'll agree that Funimation has its problems (once or twice a month is still a bother, especially compared to CR's 3 or 4 a year), but unless I've just set up my computer better than everyone else, the complaints about Funi seem really exaggerated. At any rate, I'd argue that the illegal streaming sites have more problems and annoyances than Funi, and comparing it to torrents is wildly impractical, since Funi GIVING you the show would cost a lot more, even though it would solve a lot of problems. (assuming you consider the current prices reasonable, and you want to actually pay -- Of course torrents are better in every possible way if you don't care about paying)
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all i came here to say is. if you love something, you should not use illegal means to get it. suport the anime industry and buy your anime


BTW I buy DVDS anf have CR anf FUNI subs

A good read http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-811347/crunchyroll-has-been-lagging
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FLjerry2011 wrote:

I stated my reasons before for using fan-sub besides CR and Funi(ugh!) But as a bonus they just upgaded their player with an amazing video and sound quality.And it was good before.Just great streaming.So I dont get it always the consumer fault for not being able to stream yet something I dont pay for works better.What a way to run a service.

There are a couple of reasons those "free" sites work better:

1. They don't have DRM on their video streams. The way DRM for Flash works typically means a short buffer. Since fansubs sites are already linking to illegal content, they certainly don't have to be worried about keeping the content provider happy by making it difficult to snag and save locally.

2. They don't have to worry about maintaining anything but links. Perhaps one like CR of old exists that actually hosts the content they stream, but every one I've seen has some other video streaming site (e.g., auengine.com, dailymotion.com, mp4upload.com, novamov.com, yourupload.com, etc.) handle the work.

They also often have links to more than one service for each episode. While that is done primarily to guard against episodes that are missing due to take down notices being issued, it also means anyone encountered a problem will just move on to the next link.

Likewise, if one of these sites is having issues with a service (too many episodes being deleted, poor performance, etc.), they just seek out another one and add it to the mix. (Except for Daily Motion, I hadn't even encountered any of these site I cited as examples back in the days when I still watched fansubs [before July 2010]).


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FLjerry2011 wrote:

I stated my reasons before for using fan-sub besides CR and Funi(ugh!) But as a bonus they just upgraded their player with an amazing video and sound quality.And it was good before.Just great streaming.So I dont get it always the consumer fault for not being able to stream yet something I dont pay for works better.What a way to run a service.


Maybe I'm just really awesome, but I only have problems with Funimation maybe once a month, which is not really all that bad. It's been years since I've used the "free" online streaming sites, but I remember having problems every week with them (sometimes every day if I'm watching a lot), so Funi doesn't seem so bad in comparison. Of course, these days fansubs are mostly torrents or sometimes direct download, and of course you're going to have less problems when you can access the files straight from your hard drive.

Not that that's necessarily an argument for online streaming. Fansubs are more reliable technologically because they do things that is really kind of impractical for legal licensors -- they give you the show. Essentially, minus the box art and assorted goodies, you basically own the show, which is a bit of a bargain at the current rate of about $7 a month.

I'll agree that Funimation has its problems (once or twice a month is still a bother, especially compared to CR's 3 or 4 a year), but unless I've just set up my computer better than everyone else, the complaints about Funi seem really exaggerated. At any rate, I'd argue that the illegal streaming sites have more problems and annoyances than Funi, and comparing it to torrents is wildly impractical, since Funi GIVING you the show would cost a lot more, even though it would solve a lot of problems. (assuming you consider the current prices reasonable, and you want to actually pay -- Of course torrents are better in every possible way if you don't care about paying)


I pay for both CR and FUNI. And only stream NO downloads. I am sorry but we get blamed a lot for streaming problems so it has become an issue with customer support too! Sorry to upset you and CR staff it gets upsetting when the site runs slows and customers get a basic run around and if you complain you are a very bad person.I know they are trying to fix things but first with FUNI and now CR.I went on the tech forum and got scolded. Hey I love CR and some of the great forum posters. But a good business model "Dont Bite The Hand That Feeds You"I am so upset right I feel like going watch everything on fan -sub.LOL

An added bonus I get a lot of songs in English. You know you are a good forum poster and we debated or quoted each other before so thanks for your thoughts.

I am going to suggest songs should be subbed too!

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FLjerry2011 wrote:


theYchromosome wrote:


FLjerry2011 wrote:

I stated my reasons before for using fan-sub besides CR and Funi(ugh!) But as a bonus they just upgraded their player with an amazing video and sound quality.And it was good before.Just great streaming.So I dont get it always the consumer fault for not being able to stream yet something I dont pay for works better.What a way to run a service.


Maybe I'm just really awesome, but I only have problems with Funimation maybe once a month, which is not really all that bad. It's been years since I've used the "free" online streaming sites, but I remember having problems every week with them (sometimes every day if I'm watching a lot), so Funi doesn't seem so bad in comparison. Of course, these days fansubs are mostly torrents or sometimes direct download, and of course you're going to have less problems when you can access the files straight from your hard drive.

Not that that's necessarily an argument for online streaming. Fansubs are more reliable technologically because they do things that is really kind of impractical for legal licensors -- they give you the show. Essentially, minus the box art and assorted goodies, you basically own the show, which is a bit of a bargain at the current rate of about $7 a month.

I'll agree that Funimation has its problems (once or twice a month is still a bother, especially compared to CR's 3 or 4 a year), but unless I've just set up my computer better than everyone else, the complaints about Funi seem really exaggerated. At any rate, I'd argue that the illegal streaming sites have more problems and annoyances than Funi, and comparing it to torrents is wildly impractical, since Funi GIVING you the show would cost a lot more, even though it would solve a lot of problems. (assuming you consider the current prices reasonable, and you want to actually pay -- Of course torrents are better in every possible way if you don't care about paying)


I pay for both CR and FUNI. And only stream NO downloads. I am sorry but we get blamed a lot for streaming problems so it has become an issue with customer support too! Sorry to upset you and CR staff it gets upsetting when the site runs slows and customers get a basic run around and if you complain you are a very bad person.I know they are trying to fix things but first with FUNI and now CR.I went on the tech forum and got scolded. Hey I love CR and some of the great forum posters. But a good business model "Dont Bite The Hand That Feeds You"I am so upset right I feel like going watch everything on fan -sub.LOL

An added bonus I get a lot of songs in English. You know you are a good forum poster and we debated or quoted each other before so thanks for your thoughts.

I am going to suggest songs should be subbed too!



I have most definitely downloaded fansubs for the sole purpose of reading the songs. That is one point I will definitely complain about with regards to CR.
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I don't know how much "diehard" CR users care about translated signs/songs in which the typeset is actually good and not at the top.

There was a post made by a user in the Rozen Maiden thread saying, "other sites already have this episode and CR doesn't"

It comes down to the speed of delivery if you can't provide it now I will use other means. At least that is the implied message I am getting.
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I personally do both - I subscribe to Crunchyroll and I will swear by CR and recommend it to everyone I possibly can, I buy DVDs if they're good enough and when I have the money to do so, but the fact is there just isn't enough content on Crunchyroll, Netflix or Hulu (I have no Funimation due to being in the UK) to support the way I watch anime.

I like to marathon shows, I watch the shows that my friends have seen and talk about, and titles which sound interesting when I read about them on Wikipedia - and that includes older titles which CR doesn't have. When I start a new show it's usually because I'm bored, searching for something to watch to waste a few hours in the evening. I don't plan when to watch, I watch now or I don't watch at all. Buying DVDs is out of the question - my local HMV stocks Bleach, Naruto and not much else, and Amazon ships in 2-5 business days (if there even is a Region 2 DVD for the show I want to watch). In that instance, why not stream illegally? No, it probably doesn't help the industry considering I don't pay for anything, and I'm not going to pretend it's ok to do that. If there was an alternative I would snatch it up. But there isn't. I might go on to buy the DVD, but honestly probably not - I don't really want DVDs clogging up my already stuffed shelves. What I will do is talk about the show, and recommend other people, but I know that's not really a good substitute for actual money.

That said, when something is available instantly (especially when you have Crunchy's 30-Day Free Trial), why not watch legally? It annoys me when I see people on Tumblr asking for links to somewhere they can watch Attack on Titan episode 1 and there's a whole bunch of replies listing illegal sources - seriously, it's available for free right here, and I'll post up a link to it when I see that happening, maybe even drop an All Access code. I just wish people would look for legal options BEFORE illegal.

But tbh anyone in the US or UK who watches simulcast anime illegally these days, I don't understand why they can't watch it on a legal site instead.
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