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Are certain people slaves to society?
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If a person does not receive an adequate amount of empathy from society, should they be considered a slave to it?
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We're all slaves to society. Well, unless you're homeless and unemployed.
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But there are people who want to be a part of society and are accepted into it, so I do not consider them slaves.
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Didn't you posts this up before, leading to a lengthy argument with this other fellow, and getting it locked. And, no, you have no idea what 'slavery' means, do you?
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longfenglim wrote:

Didn't you posts this up before, leading to a lengthy argument with this other fellow, and getting it locked. And, no, you have no idea what 'slavery' means, do you?


It wasn't an argument, just several people launching a personal attack on me, hence the lock.

Slavery in this context means to keep a person alive just for their economic usefulness and/or genealogical family needs.
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You cannot be called a slave if you voluntarily serve. Most people are freer than they believe, they are simply unwilling to face the consequences of exercising that freedom.
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According to your post... if someone doesn't understand or cope with society then they're a slave to society?... Sense no make.
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kamiru-dono wrote:

the outcasts you mean? i wouldn't call them slaves. it's the people accepted simply because of blindly following society would be considered slaves.


But these outcasts are forced to live in a world that does not accept them for who they are.
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WildTyger wrote:

You cannot be called a slave if you voluntarily serve. Most people are freer than they believe, they are simply unwilling to face the consequences of exercising that freedom.


They may not voluntarily serve if they knew exactly what happens after death. It is only because of this uncertainty that they live their lives in a world that does not accept them. Because they are unable to live life to the fullest, they should be considered slaves.
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spensaur wrote:

According to your post... if someone doesn't understand or cope with society then they're a slave to society?... Sense no make.


They could understand society, but it makes no difference if society does not accept them. They should be considered a slave to society because they only live to serve the economy and/or their genealogical family, and are unable to live a meaningful life.
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turborobo wrote:

There are the nails that stick out and get hammered own and there are the nails that stay firmly in their place.

You're a slave if you never step outside of predetermined boundaries while being completely subordinate to your superiors.


The predetermined boundary here is the inability to establish meaningful empathic connections in society, and the superiors would consist of society as a whole, whom the slaves are a subordinate to.
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Err it's all about people and how they think and how far they're willing to go.
Sometimes some people slave themselves.
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spensaur wrote:

According to your post... if someone doesn't understand or cope with society then they're a slave to society?... Sense no make.


They could understand society, but it makes no difference if society does not accept them. They should be considered a slave to society because they only live to serve the economy and/or their genealogical family, and are unable to live a meaningful life.


So if you live to serve the economy [society, friends, family, etc] and society doesn't accept who you are then you're unable to live a life with any means and thus a slave? I still don't think that sounds right to me.

Because we have changed from hunters and gatherers to something more industrialized shouldn't take away the fact that doing what you need to get done to provide for your family whether it be kill some animals and cook them, or sit at a desk doing paperwork, is meaningful imo.
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spensaur wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


spensaur wrote:

According to your post... if someone doesn't understand or cope with society then they're a slave to society?... Sense no make.


They could understand society, but it makes no difference if society does not accept them. They should be considered a slave to society because they only live to serve the economy and/or their genealogical family, and are unable to live a meaningful life.


So if you live to serve the economy [society, friends, family, etc] and society doesn't accept who you are then you're unable to live a life with any means and thus a slave? I still don't think that sounds right to me.

Because we have changed from hunters and gatherers to something more industrialized shouldn't take away the fact that doing what you need to get done to provide for your family whether it be kill some animals and cook them, or sit at a desk doing paperwork, is meaningful imo.


The specific people that I am talking about do not have any friends, which is what I mean by not being accepted into society. This includes never having the chance to develop a meaningful romantic relationship with another person and having a family of their own.
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lordseth23 wrote:


kamiru-dono wrote:

the outcasts you mean? i wouldn't call them slaves. it's the people accepted simply because of blindly following society would be considered slaves.


But these outcasts are forced to live in a world that does not accept them for who they are.


i wouldn't necessarily call them slaves. hmm.. more like... just outcasts, i think only weak people let themselves become slaves.
and no one is forced to live in this world, you can leave if you want to.
it's a survival game. if you can't take it, then give up.
we all have stuff we have to deal with.
the weak has no place in this world.
in the face of difficulty, just grind your teeth and struggle to live.


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