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Are certain people slaves to society?
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Posted 1/15/13
Slavery is when you can't leave, and although I consider myself pretty well off lately, I sure as hell can't leave my job.
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Spazticus wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


Zoraprime wrote:

Which, I believe, is this whole notion about people are slaves to societies come from. People feel defeated because their life sucks. And yes, perhaps they are right to invoke they never had equal footing compared to that one perosn. Maybe they are right to say that one person's priviliege, influence, and/or affluence help them succeed and get a lot of what they want. And rather blame themselves for being larthegic, they blame society for being "unfair." Yeah, of course life is unfair. It wouldn't be life otherwise. But if you aren't going to fight for you dream and accept that life will continue to suck, then you truly are a slave--not to society, but yourself.


What if a person fought for their dream their entire life, but were still unable to obtain it? Wouldn't you then consider them a slave to their circumstances?


No, because they were actively trying to change the circumstances around them. This proves that even if not all of their dreams were realized, the journey is as important as the destination. Why is it that their dreams define them, as opposed to the choices they made to achieve those dreams? Sure, it wasn't the end result they wanted...but I can say I would have infinitely more respect for one who fought for their dreams to the end than one who gave up before they had barely begun to fight, or because it was just "too hard".

Accepting that one's infirmities make certain things difficult or even impossible, is not the same as someone who can physically do something choosing not to try. I'm legally blind, and trying to drive would be illogically unwise, and just plain dangerous for me and anyone else on the road. I suppose I could drive if I had some sort of surgery to restore my eyesight, but that surgery is financially out of my means at this point in my life. I still manage, with the help of family and friends. I have to depend on them in some ways, but I am not a "slave" to them. They'd be rather offended if I ever suggested anything of the sort.

Then again, a person who stops trying to improve is still alive, but isn't really living. They've stopped trying to make anything better internally or externally, and are just awaiting death. At that point, they are a slave to their own choices, and not to society. Society isn't a single sentient being, arbitrarily judging that one must give up while another must persevere. To anthropomorphize it in that way, when ultimately the choices we make lie with us, is deflecting any semblance of personal responsibility. It's a conceited mentality: "Society made me this way." is just another way of saying that "I act as I do not because I make my own choices, but because society makes me act this way." The circumstances don't really matter; people will always make such leaps of logic, and have throughout history.

Even if someone has a weapon pointed at you, you still have choices. There may not be many options, and some of those options may lead to the deaths of one or more people. But those options still exist. This thread makes it sound like "society" is holding a proverbial gun at the heads of (only) certain people. It isn't. Of course, the idea that anyone is a slave to society is a ridiculous one. We have the freedom of choice. What we do with the time we have, who we spend it with, and the impacts we leave on others, are entirely in our hands. Some people may have less of an ability to leave an impact, due to infirmities. However, if one can communicate, one can leave an impact on others. An impact on others is a change in the circumstances around us, and this includes debate and discussion.

The fact that this thread has had so many responses is evidence of such an impact. Its scale is small in the grand scheme of things, but a slave wouldn't be empowered to make much of any impact on anyone beyond their immediate circumstances. You can do this, therefore you are not a slave.


You won the thread. Here, have an internet. You earned it.
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Posted 1/21/13

Spazticus wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


Zoraprime wrote:

Which, I believe, is this whole notion about people are slaves to societies come from. People feel defeated because their life sucks. And yes, perhaps they are right to invoke they never had equal footing compared to that one perosn. Maybe they are right to say that one person's priviliege, influence, and/or affluence help them succeed and get a lot of what they want. And rather blame themselves for being larthegic, they blame society for being "unfair." Yeah, of course life is unfair. It wouldn't be life otherwise. But if you aren't going to fight for you dream and accept that life will continue to suck, then you truly are a slave--not to society, but yourself.


What if a person fought for their dream their entire life, but were still unable to obtain it? Wouldn't you then consider them a slave to their circumstances?


No, because they were actively trying to change the circumstances around them. This proves that even if not all of their dreams were realized, the journey is as important as the destination. Why is it that their dreams define them, as opposed to the choices they made to achieve those dreams? Sure, it wasn't the end result they wanted...but I can say I would have infinitely more respect for one who fought for their dreams to the end than one who gave up before they had barely begun to fight, or because it was just "too hard".

Accepting that one's infirmities make certain things difficult or even impossible, is not the same as someone who can physically do something choosing not to try. I'm legally blind, and trying to drive would be illogically unwise, and just plain dangerous for me and anyone else on the road. I suppose I could drive if I had some sort of surgery to restore my eyesight, but that surgery is financially out of my means at this point in my life. I still manage, with the help of family and friends. I have to depend on them in some ways, but I am not a "slave" to them. They'd be rather offended if I ever suggested anything of the sort.

Then again, a person who stops trying to improve is still alive, but isn't really living. They've stopped trying to make anything better internally or externally, and are just awaiting death. At that point, they are a slave to their own choices, and not to society. Society isn't a single sentient being, arbitrarily judging that one must give up while another must persevere. To anthropomorphize it in that way, when ultimately the choices we make lie with us, is deflecting any semblance of personal responsibility. It's a conceited mentality: "Society made me this way." is just another way of saying that "I act as I do not because I make my own choices, but because society makes me act this way." The circumstances don't really matter; people will always make such leaps of logic, and have throughout history.

Even if someone has a weapon pointed at you, you still have choices. There may not be many options, and some of those options may lead to the deaths of one or more people. But those options still exist. This thread makes it sound like "society" is holding a proverbial gun at the heads of (only) certain people. It isn't. Of course, the idea that anyone is a slave to society is a ridiculous one. We have the freedom of choice. What we do with the time we have, who we spend it with, and the impacts we leave on others, are entirely in our hands. Some people may have less of an ability to leave an impact, due to infirmities. However, if one can communicate, one can leave an impact on others. An impact on others is a change in the circumstances around us, and this includes debate and discussion.

The fact that this thread has had so many responses is evidence of such an impact. Its scale is small in the grand scheme of things, but a slave wouldn't be empowered to make much of any impact on anyone beyond their immediate circumstances. You can do this, therefore you are not a slave.


What if a person was not considered human? How could a person not be considered a slave if no one wanted to have anything to do with them?
Posted 4/3/13
Do you know what ?

We`re ALL slaves of this society. We follow laws, abide rules and rely on a Government who keeps promising us to make a change but does NOTHING and causes destruction, hate and war.

Until we human beings begin to stand up and fight for our rights again we won`t be 'slaves of society' any more.

About time we humans work together to stop being slaves of society!!!
Posted 5/6/13
Mexicans ... this is a legit answer.
Posted 5/6/13
The idiocy in this thread, oh man.

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Posted 5/6/13

Iainfixie wrote:

The idiocy in this thread, oh man.


Care to elaborate on that deduction? Or was this merely an aspersion intended to express your flawed psychological state of meliority?
Posted 5/6/13




I love how you resort to the most elitist words in an attempt to prove to yourself that your are "mentally, intellectually, and socially above" everyone and anyone who either debates your post, disagrees, or considers an entire thread laughable lunacy an idiocy.

Ha.
Posted 5/6/13

Iainfixie wrote:





I love how you resort to the most elitist words in an attempt to prove to yourself that your are "mentally, intellectually, and socially above" everyone and anyone who either debates your post, disagrees, or considers an entire thread laughable lunacy an idiocy.

Ha.


He just likes to use big words and ask a lot of "deep" questions. You'll learn to ignore him in due time.
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Oh, I know.
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Posted 5/6/13

ChiChi06 wrote:

Mexicans ... this is a legit answer.


I LOL'd
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Iainfixie wrote:


I love how you resort to the most elitist words in an attempt to prove to yourself that your are "mentally, intellectually, and socially above" everyone and anyone who either debates your post, disagrees, or considers an entire thread laughable lunacy an idiocy.

Ha.


What makes you think that I am trying to prove that I am above everyone who debates my posts, disagrees, or considers an entire thread an idiocy? Please stop putting words in my mouth.
Posted 5/7/13



All of your posts are generalized idiocy and self-stroking nonsense. Vega's posts about the mutliverse and poisonous food make more sense than your autistic diatribes.
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Posted 5/7/13
Sometimes I feel society telling us to mass consume material items to achieve happiness as I have seen in adverts, does lead to some going into heavy debt, making them a slave to perceived material needs that are manufactured by multinational companies via slick advertising.
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Iainfixie wrote:


All of your posts are generalized idiocy and self-stroking nonsense. Vega's posts about the mutliverse and poisonous food make more sense than your autistic diatribes.



How are my posts generalized idiocy and self-stroking nonsense?

What diatribes do you speak of?
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