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I really really love this show I laugh long, loud and hard at it. My family thinks I'm crazy now.
I do have some questions though. If she knows everyone thinks she is weird because of it then how come she doesn't just ignore it? Or does she not know the difference between when they are talking regularly and when they're thinking?
I had the question of whether Manabe was the only one whose she can see that clearly but it was answered when the guy was thinking about dissecting her. Also that beginning was seriously dark. I was like what kind of anime is this? But I also think it makes it better because you can understand why she feels so badly about her powers and where the dark place she goes is from. Also how badass is Manabe? He was already kind of beat up and he still beat down of four guys


The reason she doesn't stop doing it is because she knows the true intentions of people (in other words, when those kids didn't want to deal with her even though they put on a fake smile). When she was young, she couldn't tell the difference between their minds and their talking, and by the time she realized it, it was already too late; her family was shattered, her friends hated her, and her parents (specifically her mom) called her a mistake. Now she specifically does it to drive people with fake smiles away, because she doesn't want to deal with them anymore (before she tried to befriend people but when she used her powers and said stuff by accident, everyone hated her)...so she's been transferring from school to school only to be hated by everyone because of her power. Just think what you would do in that situation, If someone came up to you with a smile but thought "I really don't want to deal with this person" it'd be pretty hard to ignore right? But yeah, now she does it on purpose to drive those kinds of people away before she gets involved with them.

She can read other peoples' minds clearly, but her main focus is on Manabe since they're always together and she's focused more on him whereas other ambient noise (other peoples' thoughts) become simple background noise (I know you already knew the answer, but just thought I'd add to it).

The dark undertone is what makes this anime special. It's a grim reminder that having a unique ability or power doesn't mean it'll lead to happiness or a wonderful life, it can also tear apart your life, leaving you abandoned and isolated by society including your family and friends. On the other hand, it also shows that there is someone out there who is willing to befriend even the most special of people. I really like that aspect of the show.

Yes, Manabe is a badass lol
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cjg1029 wrote:

I really really love this show I laugh long, loud and hard at it. My family thinks I'm crazy now.
I do have some questions though. If she knows everyone thinks she is weird because of it then how come she doesn't just ignore it? Or does she not know the difference between when they are talking regularly and when they're thinking?
I had the question of whether Manabe was the only one whose she can see that clearly but it was answered when the guy was thinking about dissecting her. Also that beginning was seriously dark. I was like what kind of anime is this? But I also think it makes it better because you can understand why she feels so badly about her powers and where the dark place she goes is from. Also how badass is Manabe? He was already kind of beat up and he still beat down of four guys


The reason she doesn't stop doing it is because she knows the true intentions of people (in other words, when those kids didn't want to deal with her even though they put on a fake smile). When she was young, she couldn't tell the difference between their minds and their talking, and by the time she realized it, it was already too late; her family was shattered, her friends hated her, and her parents (specifically her mom) called her a mistake. Now she specifically does it to drive people with fake smiles away, because she doesn't want to deal with them anymore (before she tried to befriend people but when she used her powers and said stuff by accident, everyone hated her)...so she's been transferring from school to school only to be hated by everyone because of her power. Just think what you would do in that situation, If someone came up to you with a smile but thought "I really don't want to deal with this person" it'd be pretty hard to ignore right? But yeah, now she does it on purpose to drive those kinds of people away before she gets involved with them.


yeah I get all that stuff I did watch the show. I'm just saying why expose herself from the beginning as having powers. She can tell now when someone is talking and when they're thinking why not just pretend not to hear the thoughts and just ignore people the regular way without exposing her powers.Plus I don't have to imagine I already can mostly tell when someone is faking a smile or faking the desire to talk to me so I usually stay away from them. I just mean she could have easily just hung out with generally nice people who didn't seem to mind her being around without just automatically making herself the outcast by exposing her powers. I also understand very well getting to the point where you just don't care anymore about being the outcast since you're so used to it I just still think maybe she could have gone a different way about it. Also with her accidentally answering the president's question it still feels like she doesn't know the difference between talking and thinking.


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anybody else notice in episode 1 three weeks later and she was still on the same page in the same book? kinda funny
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cjg1029 wrote:

I really really love this show I laugh long, loud and hard at it. My family thinks I'm crazy now.
I do have some questions though. If she knows everyone thinks she is weird because of it then how come she doesn't just ignore it? Or does she not know the difference between when they are talking regularly and when they're thinking?
I had the question of whether Manabe was the only one whose she can see that clearly but it was answered when the guy was thinking about dissecting her. Also that beginning was seriously dark. I was like what kind of anime is this? But I also think it makes it better because you can understand why she feels so badly about her powers and where the dark place she goes is from. Also how badass is Manabe? He was already kind of beat up and he still beat down of four guys


The reason she doesn't stop doing it is because she knows the true intentions of people (in other words, when those kids didn't want to deal with her even though they put on a fake smile). When she was young, she couldn't tell the difference between their minds and their talking, and by the time she realized it, it was already too late; her family was shattered, her friends hated her, and her parents (specifically her mom) called her a mistake. Now she specifically does it to drive people with fake smiles away, because she doesn't want to deal with them anymore (before she tried to befriend people but when she used her powers and said stuff by accident, everyone hated her)...so she's been transferring from school to school only to be hated by everyone because of her power. Just think what you would do in that situation, If someone came up to you with a smile but thought "I really don't want to deal with this person" it'd be pretty hard to ignore right? But yeah, now she does it on purpose to drive those kinds of people away before she gets involved with them.


yeah I get all that stuff I did watch the show. I'm just saying why expose herself from the beginning as having powers. She can tell now when someone is talking and when they're thinking why not just pretend not to hear the thoughts and just ignore people the regular way without exposing her powers.Plus I don't have to imagine I already can mostly tell when someone is faking a smile or faking the desire to talk to me so I usually stay away from them. I just mean she could have easily just hung out with generally nice people who didn't seem to mind her being around without just automatically making herself the outcast by exposing her powers. I also understand very well getting to the point where you just don't care anymore about being the outcast since you're so used to it I just still think maybe she could have gone a different way about it. Also with her accidentally answering the president's question it still feels like she doesn't know the difference between talking and thinking.




That's the thing, she hasn't really encountered anyone who is truly nice. She has only met people who think she's a freak and stay away from her because they're afraid that what they're thinking might be exposed, that's what makes Manabe an important character. Everyone already knew she had the power before she transferred, it was a rumor that was going on through every school she transfers to and she had no intention to conceal it. Why? Because people who can't accept her and her power are not real friends at all. Why ignore people who are thinking mean thoughts? If I was her, I'd immediately shut them down as well. There's no point wasting an effort in trying to be friendly when you know what they're really thinking (which is often bad thoughts). Some people are better at concealing their intentions than you think. There are people whom you can see right through, but there are others who can pull it off, don't assume that everyone is bad at faking a smile. Yuo also have to take into account her mindset, by that time she is already a fractured person (well, I'd say she became fractured when her mom left her), she's already convinced that everyone is an awful person concealing their intentions in their thoughts, which she can hear. So she already thinks that she's an outcast in society and didn't really bother changing that. She could have gone about a different way in her life, but as I said before, I think her thoughts, her mind, and her personality were already fractured after her mom called her a mistake and left. Since she knows that the club president (and really everyone in the club) knows about her power, she just reacts to it naturally, she knows that it's their thoughts, but it's hard to ignore someone talking to you, unless you wanna come off as rude or unfriendly.
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cjg1029 wrote:


ninjajake12 wrote:


cjg1029 wrote:

I really really love this show I laugh long, loud and hard at it. My family thinks I'm crazy now.
I do have some questions though. If she knows everyone thinks she is weird because of it then how come she doesn't just ignore it? Or does she not know the difference between when they are talking regularly and when they're thinking?
I had the question of whether Manabe was the only one whose she can see that clearly but it was answered when the guy was thinking about dissecting her. Also that beginning was seriously dark. I was like what kind of anime is this? But I also think it makes it better because you can understand why she feels so badly about her powers and where the dark place she goes is from. Also how badass is Manabe? He was already kind of beat up and he still beat down of four guys


The reason she doesn't stop doing it is because she knows the true intentions of people (in other words, when those kids didn't want to deal with her even though they put on a fake smile). When she was young, she couldn't tell the difference between their minds and their talking, and by the time she realized it, it was already too late; her family was shattered, her friends hated her, and her parents (specifically her mom) called her a mistake. Now she specifically does it to drive people with fake smiles away, because she doesn't want to deal with them anymore (before she tried to befriend people but when she used her powers and said stuff by accident, everyone hated her)...so she's been transferring from school to school only to be hated by everyone because of her power. Just think what you would do in that situation, If someone came up to you with a smile but thought "I really don't want to deal with this person" it'd be pretty hard to ignore right? But yeah, now she does it on purpose to drive those kinds of people away before she gets involved with them.


yeah I get all that stuff I did watch the show. I'm just saying why expose herself from the beginning as having powers. She can tell now when someone is talking and when they're thinking why not just pretend not to hear the thoughts and just ignore people the regular way without exposing her powers.Plus I don't have to imagine I already can mostly tell when someone is faking a smile or faking the desire to talk to me so I usually stay away from them. I just mean she could have easily just hung out with generally nice people who didn't seem to mind her being around without just automatically making herself the outcast by exposing her powers. I also understand very well getting to the point where you just don't care anymore about being the outcast since you're so used to it I just still think maybe she could have gone a different way about it. Also with her accidentally answering the president's question it still feels like she doesn't know the difference between talking and thinking.




That's the thing, she hasn't really encountered anyone who is truly nice. She has only met people who think she's a freak and stay away from her because they're afraid that what they're thinking might be exposed, that's what makes Manabe an important character. Everyone already knew she had the power before she transferred, it was a rumor that was going on through every school she transfers to and she had no intention to conceal it. Why? Because people who can't accept her and her power are not real friends at all. Why ignore people who are thinking mean thoughts? If I was her, I'd immediately shut them down as well. There's no point wasting an effort in trying to be friendly when you know what they're really thinking (which is often bad thoughts). Some people are better at concealing their intentions than you think. There are people whom you can see right through, but there are others who can pull it off, don't assume that everyone is bad at faking a smile. Yuo also have to take into account her mindset, by that time she is already a fractured person (well, I'd say she became fractured when her mom left her), she's already convinced that everyone is an awful person concealing their intentions in their thoughts, which she can hear. So she already thinks that she's an outcast in society and didn't really bother changing that. She could have gone about a different way in her life, but as I said before, I think her thoughts, her mind, and her personality were already fractured after her mom called her a mistake and left. Since she knows that the club president (and really everyone in the club) knows about her power, she just reacts to it naturally, she knows that it's their thoughts, but it's hard to ignore someone talking to you, unless you wanna come off as rude or unfriendly.


thats the thing its not a rumor going around all the schools she always shows it off almost immediately. she read the teacher's mind then read the minds of the girls who came up to her I think there was just better ways to go about it. she had no problem ignoring people the first three weeks of school when people attempted to talk to her and then she tried to ignore Manabe. why didn't she just do that instead of reading their minds showing off her powers. Just because she has it doesn't mean it has to be public knowledge if you're planning on staying away from people anyway keep your powers a secret.
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Love this show. It makes you laugh and then kicks you in the chest. Rinse & repeat.

This is definitely the surprise of the season. I can't believe we've only watched 3 episodes. A lot of shows try and fail to do as well in 12. Here's hoping the rest of the season of Kotoura is as good as these 3.
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thats the thing its not a rumor going around all the schools she always shows it off almost immediately. she read the teacher's mind then read the minds of the girls who came up to her I think there was just better ways to go about it. she had no problem ignoring people the first three weeks of school when people attempted to talk to her and then she tried to ignore Manabe. why didn't she just do that instead of reading their minds showing off her powers. Just because she has it doesn't mean it has to be public knowledge if you're planning on staying away from people anyway keep your powers a secret.


I think her reasons to basically shun contact with people and allow them to think of her hatefully for her ability is because she believes or has experienced that only their hate is genuine and truthful. Also when she was younger and reading her friends minds on the subject of who they liked, only to realise that they were all lying to each other. Basically she's developed a complex of disassociative apathy in which trying to hide that she could hear people's hateful thoughts was just as painful but required more effort than simply allowing them to know and hate her anyway.
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My absolute favorite of the season. I respect the criticisms it gets but I just hope that no one tries to target the fanbase directly for liking it.
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thats the thing its not a rumor going around all the schools she always shows it off almost immediately. she read the teacher's mind then read the minds of the girls who came up to her I think there was just better ways to go about it. she had no problem ignoring people the first three weeks of school when people attempted to talk to her and then she tried to ignore Manabe. why didn't she just do that instead of reading their minds showing off her powers. Just because she has it doesn't mean it has to be public knowledge if you're planning on staying away from people anyway keep your powers a secret.


I think her reasons to basically shun contact with people and allow them to think of her hatefully for her ability is because she believes or has experienced that only their hate is genuine and truthful. Also when she was younger and reading her friends minds on the subject of who they liked, only to realise that they were all lying to each other. Basically she's developed a complex of disassociative apathy in which trying to hide that she could hear people's hateful thoughts was just as painful but required more effort than simply allowing them to know and hate her anyway.


That makes sense. It would be impossible for me to hang around people and subconsciously read thought and never express concern or interact with them. They would be thinking about terrible pain and sadness in their life or negative thoughts about others, or towards me. That would make anyone want to stay away from people, much less the trauma Kotoura suffered from the people she cared for due to her telepathy.

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I just finished watching the first 3 episodes, and they were great! I'm looking forward to the next episode.

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Did you get the manga from Amazon.com?


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Thanks. I just started getting manga in the past two weeks (from Amazon) because I wanted to see the continuation of Vampire Knight, D Gray Man, and Claymore. Still getting use to how different they are from comics here. It's difficult to follow at times but with more practice it'll get better.
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Thanks. I just started getting manga in the past two weeks (from Amazon) because I wanted to see the continuation of Vampire Knight, D Gray Man, and Claymore. Still getting use to how different they are from comics here. It's difficult to follow at times but with more practice it'll get better.


Once you get into reading the original Japanese text you will never go back to reading someone else's translations. It is much more satisfying to read what the mangaka actually wrote.
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If I could read Japanese I would certainly be buying the manga IN japanese... I wouldn't have to put up with stupid translations and pointless renamings (Karin being turned into "Chibi Vampire" still irks me).

Im almost done with my current classes, so once that's over I can look into taking some Japanese courses.
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If I could read Japanese I would certainly be buying the manga IN japanese... I wouldn't have to put up with stupid translations and pointless renamings (Karin being turned into "Chibi Vampire" still irks me).


Changing names and more plus waiting months or years for some translations drove me to learn it. If there is something you want to read it makes it much easier to learn. They say Japanese is one of the hardest languages to learn but I found it much easier than French because I love to read manga but don't care for French literature.
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shaunj07 wrote:

Thanks. I just started getting manga in the past two weeks (from Amazon) because I wanted to see the continuation of Vampire Knight, D Gray Man, and Claymore. Still getting use to how different they are from comics here. It's difficult to follow at times but with more practice it'll get better.


Once you get into reading the original Japanese text you will never go back to reading someone else's translations. It is much more satisfying to read what the mangaka actually wrote.


Not sure I follow what you mentioned here. Are you referring to reading the manga w/o translation and in the actual Japanese language?
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