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For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction
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What's the equal and opposite reaction of me punching you in the face? Either you cry and do fuck all, or you beat the shit out of me. I don't see newtons second law making sense here.
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What's the equal and opposite reaction of me punching you in the face? Either you cry and do fuck all, or you beat the shit out of me. I don't see newtons second law making sense here.


The force exerted by your fist upon my face is equal to the force exerted by my face onto your first.
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No, I don't think people's actions are quantifiable. It is impossible to judge someone's reaction to another person's action in terms of equal or opposite.
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I'll agree... but I'll also say, what I think people are maybe missing, is that individuals tend to react in different ways to the same event, internally.

If someone gives me something good unexpectedly, I'll most certainly be like, "Awesome! You're considerate and this is cool!"

But some part of me will be like, "Shit. I didn't act considerately before, and I'm going to have to live up to this standard. And he / she might want something."

Which isn't quite equal (because one reaction dominates), but it might be opposite. People are at war with themselves - every action might not have an equal and opposite reaction, but most reactions have opposing components.
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shard147 wrote:


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So I don't think that rule applies to life in general, just physics, unless you're Christian, then God bonded those molecules and made that water boil.


As a Christian and an engineer, I'm sort of curious what you mean by that?

I mean, I do believe that the universe was created with intent, so God did create the fundamental rules that undergird physics, say. But what'cha mean?


I mean, "If I tell most Christians..." You can read the entire comment in the context in which it was started. Which means, not to say that all Christians are this way, but in 'Murica, most of the overly vocal ones I've run across aren't as 'modern' in their Christianity.


I'm not particularly modern - I'd suppose I'm pleased to count myself among such minds as Newton and Copernicus. I don't know what 'modern' you're referring to, but I'm probably not it.

Most overly vocal anything misrepresent the people that agree with them and disagree with them in equal proportion, Republican or Democrat, atheist or Christian.

No, what I mean is, your statement is extremely confusing to me scientifically, and philosophically. You don't think that Newton's 3rd Law applies to abstract concepts or social interactions, and would restrict it to physics. Unless you're Christian, in which case... God bonded those molecules (what molecules where) and made that water (what water) boil (what?).

How does being Christian have anything to do with applying Newton's 3rd Law to social situations? How does believing that God is responsible for chemistry or an application of energy mean anything relating to the situation above?

I'm probably being a picky snit, but the statements are disorganized enough it was jarring.
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Physics law only apply to physics...
... Anyone that use physics to describe something abstract is a conman.


No, dumbass. Physics describes all of reality. Durr durr daya daya durr!



Because reality isn't something abstract, sir.
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The force exerted by your fist upon my face is equal to the force exerted by my face onto your first.


You're totally right, but missing the point.
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I have no clue :p
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longfenglim wrote:

The force exerted by your fist upon my face is equal to the force exerted by my face onto your first.


You're totally right, but missing the point.


You were saying that Newton's Second Law 'does not make sense' within the context of you hitting my face, where I assert, on the contrary, that it is an exemplary example of Newton's Second Law at work, the force exerted by your fist upon my face (Fa) is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction of the force exerted by my face upon your fist (Fb), or, mathematically:

Fa=-Fb
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longfenglim wrote:

You were saying that Newton's Second Law 'does not make sense' within the context of you hitting my face, where I assert, on the contrary, that it is an exemplary example of Newton's Second Law at work, the force exerted by your fist upon my face (Fa) is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction of the force exerted by my face upon your fist (Fb), or, mathematically:

Fa=-Fb


Still missing the point. This thread itself is trying to say that it applies to things other than physics, which I was attempting to call bullshit on.
If I were to punch you in the face, you would most probably either
1. Cry about it and do nothing.
2. Beat me up.
Neither of which are "equal or opposite reactions" to me just punching you in the face just once. Not to mention the psychological aftermath, such as never being able to walk outside again due to the fear of having strangers beat you in the face.
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Well... I will just say. No this law applies only to physics. Seriously.

If you want to take a philosophical route with it, you cannot use the law itself. "Every action has a consequence" is similar but not the same, it doesn't attempt to propose a mathematical equation to getting naked in the middle of a classroom lecture.
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shard147 wrote:


BearSol wrote:


shard147 wrote:


BearSol wrote:
So I don't think that rule applies to life in general, just physics, unless you're Christian, then God bonded those molecules and made that water boil.


As a Christian and an engineer, I'm sort of curious what you mean by that?

I mean, I do believe that the universe was created with intent, so God did create the fundamental rules that undergird physics, say. But what'cha mean?


I mean, "If I tell most Christians..." You can read the entire comment in the context in which it was started. Which means, not to say that all Christians are this way, but in 'Murica, most of the overly vocal ones I've run across aren't as 'modern' in their Christianity.


I'm not particularly modern - I'd suppose I'm pleased to count myself among such minds as Newton and Copernicus. I don't know what 'modern' you're referring to, but I'm probably not it.

Most overly vocal anything misrepresent the people that agree with them and disagree with them in equal proportion, Republican or Democrat, atheist or Christian.

No, what I mean is, your statement is extremely confusing to me scientifically, and philosophically. You don't think that Newton's 3rd Law applies to abstract concepts or social interactions, and would restrict it to physics. Unless you're Christian, in which case... God bonded those molecules (what molecules where) and made that water (what water) boil (what?).

How does being Christian have anything to do with applying Newton's 3rd Law to social situations? How does believing that God is responsible for chemistry or an application of energy mean anything relating to the situation above?

I'm probably being a picky snit, but the statements are disorganized enough it was jarring.


Ok Mr. defensive. You're still missing out on the "If I tell most Christians..." "Most Christians..." "Most"

You know perfectly well what I said and what I meant, you just seem determined to start an argument... there is a chance you don't know, but then I would have to seriously question how you got a degree being so oblivious and confused by simple comments and observations.

I however, have "faith" in your intelligence to decypher my intricate web of random colloquy.
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I think of emotions

You mean emotions have an oppostie effect?!
First, lets not fixate on the fact that an emotion isn't an action.
How would you describe the opposite reaction of me being jealous?


The opposite of jealous would be akin to disinterest or indifference, no?

EDIT: Emotions are actions, just internal and too small to witness without tools.


In that case...disinterest & indifference could potentially be the opposite of most intense feelings...

By action you mean chemical reaction at molecular level within brain region? If that is what you mean, then the "opposite reaction" would be chemical based too.

You do understand the meaning of action in physics right? It is the phenomena of physical movement with a path of history.


About disinterest/indifference;
You see, envy is a want for something someone else has. The only opposite could be not wanting it. Hence the disinterest and indifference. Whereas love is an attraction to someone and the opposite would be hate, a repulsion from someone. Fear as well, a distressing emotion brought on by the thought of danger, pain or discomfort, has courage, the will to confront such dangers, pain or discomforts.

About the chemical reactions at molecular levels "within brain region;"
Want me to talk about something that you never wrote about then try and call you out for not knowing it, without knowing myself whether or not you actually do? Wouldn't make much sense would it?

I hope that wasn't your attempt at trolling.
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Are we seriously applying the laws of physics to human behavior?
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About disinterest/indifference;
You see, envy is a want for something someone else has. The only opposite could be not wanting it. Hence the disinterest and indifference. Whereas love is an attraction to someone and the opposite would be hate, a repulsion from someone. Fear as well, a distressing emotion brought on by the thought of danger, pain or discomfort, has courage, the will to confront such dangers, pain or discomforts.


If you want to get down to it.... the opposite of jealousy/envy is more likely to be selflessness/ charity.



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About the chemical reactions at molecular levels "within brain region;"
Want me to talk about something that you never wrote about then try and call you out for not knowing it, without knowing myself whether or not you actually do? Wouldn't make much sense would it?

I hope that wasn't your attempt at trolling.


Biochemistry within body obey chemical rules.
It doesn't really have a so called opposite reaction. Of course, if i'm mistaken... if free to point it out.
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