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lordseth23 wrote:

Why do adults commit:
- sexual assaults
- homicides
- hate crimes



For the same reason people do anything else.


And what would that be?




Stop being so emo about it.


Why should I not be emo about it?




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If any of the above are attributable to psychological problems, why can't we get proper help to these people before they become criminals? How can we successfully eradicate these psychological problems from this world?


Most of the crimes are not a result of mental illness. To pre diagnose everyone of all possible mental conditions would require weekly mental health screenings for every human being, and those with potential issues ( like the depression your posts tend to give off) would be treated as second class citizens, or mental deficients.


Why wouldn't the "basic internal desires of control, dominance, anger, revenge and display of personally perceived inadequacy" be considered psycholgical problems?
http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Classical-View---Why-Do-People-Commit-Crimes?&id=782363





lordseth23 wrote:

If any of the above are not attributable to psychological problems, then why do people choose to commit these crimes?

Does everyone want to live in a world where these crimes do not exist?
-If so, then why do they occur in the first place?
-If not, then how can you justify this suffering?



For the ALL of same reasons people do anything else.


And what would they be?




Stop being so emo about it.


Why should I not be emo about it?




No some people don't care about crime,


Why don't they care about crime?



and some like crime.


Why do they like crime?




Because humans are imperfect. The fight, they love, they become jealous, they become hopeless, they look down on others, they look down on themselves, and a million other reasons.


Why can't they strive for perfection, instead of settling for imperfection?



Life contains suffering. It does not need to justify itself. It would be like asking a fire why its hot, it is in it very nature. Everyone suffers in some way.


Why can't we eliminate this suffering to the best of our ability?


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Oh, such sanctimonious piety, such holiness, the likes of which has not been seen since the great and saintly man, Tartuffe, entered the house of Orgon. This modern Tartuffe, like his great ancestor, propose to censor the great and mighty Others, sinners and reprobates damned to hell for their 'inhumanity' and 'lack of empathy'. This devout austere, this eremite, demand from us to follow his example, and be 'empathetic people', people made in his image. If I did not know any better, the saint aspires to Godhood!


What is wrong with empathetic people?

A god does not ask questions, so you cannot claim that I am aspiring to Godhood.


What Lordseth23 calls empathy, seems to most other, thinking people, 'resemblance to me', sharing my own personal beliefs, prejudice, and severity to others. Therefore, Lordseth23 is able to make blanket accusation against all of adultdom for their inability to meet his standards, and then follow by condemning these reprobates to eternal damnation.

Lordseth23 claims that Gods do not ask question (refer to the Book of Job), he is wrong on that account, and wishes still to be some sort of moral guardians- oh think of the children, think of your souls.

Most people would find him a self-righteous prick, unworthy for debate, but they are blind, and they see not the trueness of Lordseth23's condemnation, this most devout and austere eremite, this grand leader of the Moral Majority, this heir to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell! This modern Tartuffe!
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lordseth23 wrote:


WildTyger wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:

Why do adults commit:
- sexual assaults
- homicides
- hate crimes



For the same reason people do anything else.


And what would that be?




Stop being so emo about it.


Why should I not be emo about it?




lordseth23 wrote:

If any of the above are attributable to psychological problems, why can't we get proper help to these people before they become criminals? How can we successfully eradicate these psychological problems from this world?


Most of the crimes are not a result of mental illness. To pre diagnose everyone of all possible mental conditions would require weekly mental health screenings for every human being, and those with potential issues ( like the depression your posts tend to give off) would be treated as second class citizens, or mental deficients.


Why wouldn't the "basic internal desires of control, dominance, anger, revenge and display of personally perceived inadequacy" be considered psycholgical problems?
http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Classical-View---Why-Do-People-Commit-Crimes?&id=782363





lordseth23 wrote:

If any of the above are not attributable to psychological problems, then why do people choose to commit these crimes?

Does everyone want to live in a world where these crimes do not exist?
-If so, then why do they occur in the first place?
-If not, then how can you justify this suffering?



For the ALL of same reasons people do anything else.


And what would they be?




Stop being so emo about it.


Why should I not be emo about it?




No some people don't care about crime,


Why don't they care about crime?



and some like crime.


Why do they like crime?




Because humans are imperfect. The fight, they love, they become jealous, they become hopeless, they look down on others, they look down on themselves, and a million other reasons.


Why can't they strive for perfection, instead of settling for imperfection?



Life contains suffering. It does not need to justify itself. It would be like asking a fire why its hot, it is in it very nature. Everyone suffers in some way.


Why can't we eliminate this suffering to the best of our ability?





1 People do things for an unknowable amount of reasons. Because its Tuesday, because I like trains, etc. Any number of reasons you can think of multiply that by 1 trillion and you probably have 40% of human motivations,

2 Being emo never helped anyone understand the nature of humanity.

3 Because problems exist on a scale of normalcy to deviance. If we held you standard everyone would be diagnosed as having a psychological problem, rendering the entire process moot.

4 See answer 1

5 Not everyone shares the same values this applies the everything. You do realize a crime in one culture is an acceptable practice in another, right? So extrapolate this down to the individual level.

6. Anytime you ask someone why they like something imagine why you like the things you do.

7. How can something that is imperfect and does not know perfection strive for it? If you are imperfect you have no idea what perfection is by definition, you can only try to reach what you THINK it is. You may or may not be correct.

8. . For the most part if you live in a country where you can access Crunchyroll, measures have already been taken to do so. If you wish to reduce suffering more, feel free work towards that yourself. Although you may find that trickier than you think.


Why do these things weigh so heavily on you mind? I feel like you are going through the stage in life where you have a chance to realize the truth of humanity. You can either be sad about it, or resolve to live your life the best and happiest way you can. Either way it is extremely unlikely that you will change the world. And you will never change the nature of human beings.
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lordseth23 wrote:


longfenglim wrote:

Oh, such sanctimonious piety, such holiness, the likes of which has not been seen since the great and saintly man, Tartuffe, entered the house of Orgon. This modern Tartuffe, like his great ancestor, propose to censor the great and mighty Others, sinners and reprobates damned to hell for their 'inhumanity' and 'lack of empathy'. This devout austere, this eremite, demand from us to follow his example, and be 'empathetic people', people made in his image. If I did not know any better, the saint aspires to Godhood!


What is wrong with empathetic people?

A god does not ask questions, so you cannot claim that I am aspiring to Godhood.


Lordseth23 claims that Gods do not ask question (refer to the Book of Job), he is wrong on that account, and wishes still to be some sort of moral guardians- oh think of the children, think of your souls.


That is a contradiction, since the Bible also claims that God is omniscient, so therefore it can be inferred that God is wasting his time by asking questions he already knows the answers to. Since I acknowledge the fact that I will never be omniscient, you cannot claim that I am aspiring to Godhood.
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Oh lawd, when will it end...

You need to just realize that some people will do things just because of the simple fact that are able to do them. Everyone isnt wired the same, thats why we will never have a global set of values. (Hitler wanted a global set of values and look what happened to him) There are too many different types of people for that to ever happen naturally. Spending your days wondering why is just a waste of time. Spend your time trying to understand yourself because thats the only person you have and should have control over. The reason humans in general are unempathetic is because nature is unempathetic. I suggest that you read the book, "The Denial of Death" by Earnest Becker and then go visit a 3rd world country for a month or so. It will open your eyes and answer a lot of your questions.
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Why do some adolescents? This thread implies that only adults are capable of being callous, or jaded. But kids can be cruel, and adolescents are full of apathy. Ambiguity isn't the sole property of age.
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Why do some adolescents? This thread implies that only adults are capable of being callous, or jaded. But kids can be cruel, and adolescents are full of apathy. Ambiguity isn't the sole property of age.


A child should be excluded from this discussion because they do not have fully developed moral intuitions. Adults, on the other hand, should be expected to have fully developed moral intuitions and know the consequences of their cruel actions.
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lordseth23 wrote:


diodrin wrote:

Why do some adolescents? This thread implies that only adults are capable of being callous, or jaded. But kids can be cruel, and adolescents are full of apathy. Ambiguity isn't the sole property of age.


A child should be excluded from this discussion because they do not have fully developed moral intuitions. Adults, on the other hand, should be expected to have fully developed moral intuitions and know the consequences of their cruel actions.


Excluding children is age discrimination. They are not exempt simply because they are young. Why are some kids jerks, and some kids sweet and affable? This is a relevant question. This thread assumes and pronounces that only adults are capable of being mean, or in-different. But character development starts from day one. And your initial question was asking about whether or not empathy is a product of up-bringing.
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Everyone isnt wired the same, thats why we will never have a global set of values.


How is this possible?



There are too many different types of people for that to ever happen naturally.


How does this justify raping, murdering, and hating people?



The reason humans in general are unempathetic is because nature is unempathetic.


Why should we use nature as an excuse to be unempathetic?


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I have a lack of empathy, I wouldn't say i had a bad upbringing.
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It is refreshing to see the president take a proactive approach in trying to prevent crime. Perhaps I am not the only one who wants to eliminate unempathic behavior from the human condition.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/president-obama-unveils-sweeping-plan-curb-gun-violence/story?id=18228472
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lordseth23 wrote:


CLarose wrote:

Everyone isnt wired the same, thats why we will never have a global set of values.


How is this possible?



Do you really want not understand how it is possible for people to have different inborn tendencies? Or are you just questioning?
Have you ever met a pair of same sex fraternal twins before? They have different personalities, likes and dislikes, etc; even though they were raised in the same environment. Personality does have some genetic components as well you know.

I also wish to ask you a question.

Why is empathy good and important to you? Why is making society more empathetic important to you?

In truth, anytime you wish to have society adopt values that not everyone shares you just seeking to impose your world view on other people regardless of their thoughts and feelings. That is not empathetic.

Please explain your position.

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lordseth23 wrote:


CLarose wrote:

Everyone isnt wired the same, thats why we will never have a global set of values.


How is this possible?



Do you really want not understand how it is possible for people to have different inborn tendencies? Or are you just questioning?
Have you ever met a pair of same sex fraternal twins before? They have different personalities, likes and dislikes, etc; even though they were raised in the same environment. Personality does have some genetic components as well you know.

I also wish to ask you a question.

Why is empathy good and important to you? Why is making society more empathetic important to you?

In truth, anytime you wish to have society adopt values that not everyone shares you just seeking to impose your world view on other people regardless of their thoughts and feelings. That is not empathetic.

Please explain your position.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g
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lordseth23 wrote:


WildTyger wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


CLarose wrote:

Everyone isnt wired the same, thats why we will never have a global set of values.


How is this possible?



Do you really want not understand how it is possible for people to have different inborn tendencies? Or are you just questioning?
Have you ever met a pair of same sex fraternal twins before? They have different personalities, likes and dislikes, etc; even though they were raised in the same environment. Personality does have some genetic components as well you know.

I also wish to ask you a question.

Why is empathy good and important to you? Why is making society more empathetic important to you?

In truth, anytime you wish to have society adopt values that not everyone shares you just seeking to impose your world view on other people regardless of their thoughts and feelings. That is not empathetic.

Please explain your position.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g


This sheds light on you position, but this video is filled with fuzzy science. The only reason a modern humans brain is different from a medieval serf is due to education, diet, culture, and experience. To use that to say the consciousness is different is irresponsible, especially since science does not yet fully understand what consciousness is.
He also refers to nation states as fictions. Nation-states are social constructs, but to refer to them as a fiction is something that I (have a social sciences degree that leans heavily in to cultural geography and cultural anthropology) find problematic. If you dismiss social constructs as fiction you must dismiss all social contracts as fiction. ( That is family, peer groups, really any form a group with a definite membership) .

The after everything is said the presenter still advises the viewer to help rethink our current cultural practices to increase empathy. It would merely be substituting one cultural paradigm for another. It does not make it better.

This video did not explain how having people adopt different cultural practices is empathetic to those people who do not wish change.

Please explain. Try using your own words.

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lordseth23 wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


longfenglim wrote:

Oh, such sanctimonious piety, such holiness, the likes of which has not been seen since the great and saintly man, Tartuffe, entered the house of Orgon. This modern Tartuffe, like his great ancestor, propose to censor the great and mighty Others, sinners and reprobates damned to hell for their 'inhumanity' and 'lack of empathy'. This devout austere, this eremite, demand from us to follow his example, and be 'empathetic people', people made in his image. If I did not know any better, the saint aspires to Godhood!


What is wrong with empathetic people?

A god does not ask questions, so you cannot claim that I am aspiring to Godhood.


Lordseth23 claims that Gods do not ask question (refer to the Book of Job), he is wrong on that account, and wishes still to be some sort of moral guardians- oh think of the children, think of your souls.


That is a contradiction, since the Bible also claims that God is omniscient, so therefore it can be inferred that God is wasting his time by asking questions he already knows the answers to. Since I acknowledge the fact that I will never be omniscient, you cannot claim that I am aspiring to Godhood.


Lordseth23 is still wrong, in that one can still ask question despite being omniscient- that said, God does not know everything, because his omniscience is limited, otherwise he would not have asked Satan to test Job in the first place. You are still aspiring to godhood, but are denying your endeavours.


How can omniscience be limited?


If God limits it himself.
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