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Why do some adults act in unempathetic ways?
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How is society suffering under my ignorance?


Reading it, the rest of society will be pained by the very idea that this can be produced by one of their own, your august parents would be ashamed of such a son, the president of the United States would seek to destroy every piece of writing you ever produce to retard the perpetuation of that old rumour, that Americans are the dumbest people on the planet, the entire Capitalistic mode of production will collapse because your writings prove that consumers are not rational, as the science of Economics assumes them to be, and, in short, we will be lead to anarchy.
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Why shouldn't we prevent the crime in the first place?


We do, we just don't it in such a way that our autonomy and liberty is so compromised that it becomes intolerable.


No we don't.







How does this prove you are wise?


Because it is full of wisdom.


How is it full of wisdom?








And when was that?


Please provide the date and time you murdered your mother.


When did I murder my mother?







But I don't want to rape and murder puppies and kittens.


And I do want some measure of security in society, which is why I consented to allow part of my natural autonomy to be abridged.


Why should this be at the expense of preventing severe crimes?







But I don't want to burn orphanages and retirement homes.


You obviously do, and for the same reason why I don't want to prevent crime.


How?
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No we don't.


Ah, so you live in an imaginary America where police officers do not exist, where cameras are not set up in certain premises to detect theft, vandalism, etc., and where the only solution is to instate some form of Fascism. No one can seriously believe that- as such, you only once again prove that you are, for the most part, not serious, and a troll.






How is it full of wisdom?


Because it is so very wise and sagely. Its depths are unfathomable, like the ancient Tao Tei King of Lao-tzeu, it reaches the profundity of the Analects of K’oung-tzeu, and it delves into the sublimity of Tchoang-tzeu.


When did I murder my mother?


How should I know of your own, sordid and detestable affairs.




Why should this be at the expense of preventing severe crimes?


Arguing with you is like arguing with a tape recorder- there is never anything novel, and what is repeated is always repeated in the same words.





How?


How should I know the reason why you want to burn innocent orphans and elderly citizens alive, as well as rape and murder puppies and kittens? You may simply be born evil, as Maldoror.
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Posted 1/19/13

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lordseth23 wrote:

No we don't.


Ah, so you live in an imaginary America where police officers do not exist, where cameras are not set up in certain premises to detect theft, vandalism, etc., and where the only solution is to instate some form of Fascism. No one can seriously believe that- as such, you only once again prove that you are, for the most part, not serious, and a troll.


We are not doing enough to prevent crime.







How is it full of wisdom?


Because it is so very wise and sagely. Its depths are unfathomable, like the ancient Tao Tei King of Lao-tzeu, it reaches the profundity of the Analects of K’oung-tzeu, and it delves into the sublimity of Tchoang-tzeu.


How is it wise and sagely?






When did I murder my mother?


How should I know of your own, sordid and detestable affairs.


Then why are you accusing me of murdering my mother?






Why should this be at the expense of preventing severe crimes?


Arguing with you is like arguing with a tape recorder- there is never anything novel, and what is repeated is always repeated in the same words.


Does this upset you, my liege?






How?


How should I know the reason why you want to burn innocent orphans and elderly citizens alive, as well as rape and murder puppies and kittens? You may simply be born evil, as Maldoror.


If I was born evil, then why don't you kill me?
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lordseth23 wrote:We are not doing enough to prevent crime.


Your enough is a fascist police state. W Il Duce.





How is it wise and sagely?


I already gave a description of how is is wise and sagely.


Its depths are unfathomable, like the ancient Tao Tei King of Lao-tzeu, it reaches the profundity of the Analects of K’oung-tzeu, and it delves into the sublimity of Tchoang-tzeu.




Then why are you accusing me of murdering my mother?


Why are you accusing me of being unempathetic?





Does this upset you, my liege?


Of course not, because, in addition to being wise, sagely, and beautiful, I am also humble and patient. The light of my wisdom is powerful enough to pierce through any darkness.





If I was born evil, then why don't you kill me?



Because, unlike you, I am bounded by both justice and rationality.
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longfenglim wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:

How is it wise and sagely?


I already gave a description of how is is wise and sagely.


Its depths are unfathomable, like the ancient Tao Tei King of Lao-tzeu, it reaches the profundity of the Analects of K’oung-tzeu, and it delves into the sublimity of Tchoang-tzeu.


How are its depths unfathomable?
How does it reach that profundity?
How does it delve into that sublimity?






Then why are you accusing me of murdering my mother?


Why are you accusing me of being unempathetic?


Because you are unempathetic.







Does this upset you, my liege?


Of course not, because, in addition to being wise, sagely, and beautiful, I am also humble and patient. The light of my wisdom is powerful enough to pierce through any darkness.


Then why do you bestow upon me great shame, my lord?







If I was born evil, then why don't you kill me?



Because, unlike you, I am bounded by both justice and rationality.


How does your justice and rationality prevent you from killing me?
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Fundamental flaw here. If God knows he possesses knowledge that he doesn't know. Then he still knows the knowledge. He chooses to ignore it. But still possesses it.....which is the definition of omniscient


What you cite as a fundamental flaw merely is weakness of language- On this point, we say that God has knowledge of everything, therefore, he possess this knowledge, he does not ignore it, but chooses to not know it, and he knows that it exist, thus, where you err is that you confuse knowing of the existence of something with knowing the entirety of it. Let me illustrate this point- suppose there are two students, A, and B, A knows that there is such a science as Neuroscience, but that he is not knowledgeable of it, B doesn't know it even exist- thus, the ignorance of A is different fundamentally from that of B, in that A has the knowledge of it, and the knowledge of his limitation of it, whereas B does not know it at all. God, in this respect, would be more like Student A, only that he chooses to limit this knowledge to that respect, but can still access it any time he wants. It is not 'ignoring' it, so much as he can wilfully suppress his own knowledge in that area.


Whether or not he chooses to utilize this knowledge is irrelevant. The definition is "possession" not utilization.


Thus, by your own admission, the God who limits himself in this respect is still Omniscient, and thus, it seems, we are for the most part, in agreement, he is Omniscient, in that he possess the knowledge, rather than using it.
Posted 1/19/13

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Then why are you condemning me for wanting to educate the masses?
Educating?! That's not what this shallow bickering is all about, when neither of you had cited anything remotely constructive.

The Science of Evil: On Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty
Borderline personality disorder, autism, narcissism, psychosis, Asperger's: All of these syndromes have one thing in common--lack of empathy. In some cases, this absence can be dangerous, but in others it can simply mean a different way of seeing the world.

In The Science of Evil Simon Baron-Cohen, an award-winning British researcher who has investigated psychology and autism for decades, develops a new brain-based theory of human cruelty. A true psychologist, however, he examines social and environmental factors that can erode empathy, including neglect and abuse.

Based largely on Baron-Cohen's own research, The Science of Evil will change the way we understand and treat human cruelty.
I've included a hyperlink for the free PDF file of the said book within that quotation. So once you've completely accommodated with this new information, then you can have something constructive towards your original topic. Because I've just about had it with both of your antics at "red herrings" fallacy. Not education.
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diodrin wrote:

Fundamental flaw here. If God knows he possesses knowledge that he doesn't know. Then he still knows the knowledge. He chooses to ignore it. But still possesses it.....which is the definition of omniscient


What you cite as a fundamental flaw merely is weakness of language- On this point, we say that God has knowledge of everything, therefore, he possess this knowledge, he does not ignore it, but chooses to not know it, and he knows that it exist, thus, where you err is that you confuse knowing of the existence of something with knowing the entirety of it. Let me illustrate this point- suppose there are two students, A, and B, A knows that there is such a science as Neuroscience, but that he is not knowledgeable of it, B doesn't know it even exist- thus, the ignorance of A is different fundamentally from that of B, in that A has the knowledge of it, and the knowledge of his limitation of it, whereas B does not know it at all. God, in this respect, would be more like Student A, only that he chooses to limit this knowledge to that respect, but can still access it any time he wants. It is not 'ignoring' it, so much as he can wilfully suppress his own knowledge in that area.


Whether or not he chooses to utilize this knowledge is irrelevant. The definition is "possession" not utilization.


Thus, by your own admission, the God who limits himself in this respect is still Omniscient, and thus, it seems, we are for the most part, in agreement, he is Omniscient, in that he possess the knowledge, rather than using it.


It would indeed seem we are in agreement. Well then time to crack open a beer. I salute you in good humor my friend!
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lordseth23 wrote:



Then why are you condemning me for wanting to educate the masses?
Educating?! That's not what this shallow bickering is all about, when neither of you had cited anything remotely constructive.

The Science of Evil: On Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty
Borderline personality disorder, autism, narcissism, psychosis, Asperger's: All of these syndromes have one thing in common--lack of empathy. In some cases, this absence can be dangerous, but in others it can simply mean a different way of seeing the world.

In The Science of Evil Simon Baron-Cohen, an award-winning British researcher who has investigated psychology and autism for decades, develops a new brain-based theory of human cruelty. A true psychologist, however, he examines social and environmental factors that can erode empathy, including neglect and abuse.

Based largely on Baron-Cohen's own research, The Science of Evil will change the way we understand and treat human cruelty.
I've included a hyperlink for the free PDF file of the said book within that quotation. So once you've completely accommodated with this new information, then you can have something constructive towards your original topic. Because I've just about had it with both of your antics at "red herrings" fallacy. Not education.


When did I say that I did not want to educate people?
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diodrin wrote:

Fundamental flaw here. If God knows he possesses knowledge that he doesn't know. Then he still knows the knowledge. He chooses to ignore it. But still possesses it.....which is the definition of omniscient


What you cite as a fundamental flaw merely is weakness of language- On this point, we say that God has knowledge of everything, therefore, he possess this knowledge, he does not ignore it, but chooses to not know it, and he knows that it exist, thus, where you err is that you confuse knowing of the existence of something with knowing the entirety of it. Let me illustrate this point- suppose there are two students, A, and B, A knows that there is such a science as Neuroscience, but that he is not knowledgeable of it, B doesn't know it even exist- thus, the ignorance of A is different fundamentally from that of B, in that A has the knowledge of it, and the knowledge of his limitation of it, whereas B does not know it at all. God, in this respect, would be more like Student A, only that he chooses to limit this knowledge to that respect, but can still access it any time he wants. It is not 'ignoring' it, so much as he can wilfully suppress his own knowledge in that area.


Thus, you are saying that God is not omniscient.



Whether or not he chooses to utilize this knowledge is irrelevant. The definition is "possession" not utilization.


Thus, by your own admission, the God who limits himself in this respect is still Omniscient, and thus, it seems, we are for the most part, in agreement, he is Omniscient, in that he possess the knowledge, rather than using it.


How is God omniscient when he does not possess all knowledge? Why do you not understand the definition of omniscience?
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When did I murder my mother?


Around the same time I lost empathy.





What is wrong with brainwashing? Why can't we wash out all of the bad stuff in our brains?


Because it violates natural autonomy to a undesirable degree, and it imposes an order of both 'good' and 'bad' based upon the opinion of certain people's prejudice- more specifically, your own.
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lordseth23 wrote:

When did I murder my mother?


Around the same time I lost empathy.


When was that?






What is wrong with brainwashing? Why can't we wash out all of the bad stuff in our brains?


Because it violates natural autonomy to a undesirable degree, and it imposes an order of both 'good' and 'bad' based upon the opinion of certain people's prejudice- more specifically, your own.


What is wrong with that?





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lordseth23 wrote:


How is God omniscient when he does not possess all knowledge? Why do you not understand the definition of omniscience?


Because you are an idiot, and because I did say that God posseses all Knowledge, but that he chooses to repress that knowledge, thus, possession of Knowledge is not the same thing as knowing it.



If he knows everything, he is omniscient.
If he doesn't know everything, he is not omniscient.

Why do you not understand the definition of omniscience?
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lordseth23 wrote:When was that?


We're going around in a circle- I lost my empathy around the same time you murdered your mother, and since you know when you murdered your mother, it being you own affair, we can trace everything from there.





What is wrong with that?


Everything. We have already been over this.





[If he knows everything, he is omniscient.

If he doesn't know everything, he is not omniscient.


False, if he possess all knowledge he is omniscient, he needs not know it.





Why do you not understand the definition of omniscience?


Because you intellect is too weak to grasp at such a simple concept.
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longfenglim wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:When was that?


We're going around in a circle- I lost my empathy around the same time you murdered your mother, and since you know when you murdered your mother, it being you own affair, we can trace everything from there.


When did I murder my mother?






What is wrong with that?


Everything. We have already been over this.


Name everything that is wrong with it.






If he knows everything, he is omniscient.

If he doesn't know everything, he is not omniscient.


False, if he possess all knowledge he is omniscient, he needs not know it.


How can he not know something and still be omniscient?






Why do you not understand the definition of omniscience?


Because you intellect is too weak to grasp at such a simple concept.


How is my intellect too weak to grasp this concept?
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