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Posted 8/13/13
I really hope one day these two would be forced to fuck each other until their spines snap

so about pansexuality...
Posted 8/13/13

swirly_commode wrote:

look dude, i probably know more gay guys than you do.
when i say "you" i dont mean you directly.
get over yourself and move on with your life.

and yes, a lot of gays dont like the ones who prance around and talk with a lisp. being gay doesnt make you do that. that is a choice you made to act a certain way which you think gays are supposed to act.
if you specificaly act like the stereotypical gay kid you see on TV then yes, you are stereotyping yourself.
if not, then carry on and have a good day with your bad self.


When the fuck did I bring gay people into this or how they're portrayed in the media? I'm primarily talking about bisexuality/pansexuality as well as nonbinary genders but it seems the only thing you actually know about is homosexuality which is why you keep changing topics to strawmen arguments that you can actually say something barely sensible about. And I don't give a fuck how many gay people you know, that doesn't make you gay nor does it excuse your ignorance.
Posted 8/13/13 , edited 8/13/13

FlyinDumpling wrote:

I really hope one day these two would be forced to fuck each other until their spines snap

so about pansexuality...


I don't know about you but I'm the one defending lgbt culture here and discussing it while you make passive aggressive statements. Piss off.
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Posted 8/13/13 , edited 8/13/13

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swirly_commode wrote:

look dude, i probably know more gay guys than you do.
when i say "you" i dont mean you directly.
get over yourself and move on with your life.

and yes, a lot of gays dont like the ones who prance around and talk with a lisp. being gay doesnt make you do that. that is a choice you made to act a certain way which you think gays are supposed to act.
if you specificaly act like the stereotypical gay kid you see on TV then yes, you are stereotyping yourself.
if not, then carry on and have a good day with your bad self.


When the fuck did I bring gay people into this or how they're portrayed in the media? I'm primarily talking about bisexuality/pansexuality as well as nonbinary genders but it seems the only thing you actually know about is homosexuality which is why you keep changing topics to strawmen arguments that you can actually say something barely sensible about. And I don't give a fuck how many gay people you know, that doesn't make you gay nor does it excuse your ignorance.


you replied to my post....
and regardless of what alterations you want to do to your body there is still only male and female, gay and bi. or do you think goth kids with horns and mutilations are a separate thing not yet described here at all? if they get pointy ears and horns implanted are they then n o longer human but elf or demon or something requiring demonsexual as a label for people attracted to that?

the trend is the labels you give yourselves and the stereotypes you choose to adhere to because of those labels, not the sexuality you adhere too.
like someone labeling themselves goth and deciding that they have to dress and act a certain way because of their chosen label. when a lot of you kids choose the gay, trans, morphadite, whatever label, you choose the stereotypes that go along with it and play a role that you think fits your chosen stereotype.

there are plenty of gay and bi people as well as straight people who choose to love people for who they are and not what genitals are between their legs, its called "being compassionate". but sex is always chosen with people because of what genitals are between ones legs. that is what defines sex and sexuality. youre not having sex with someones personality. youre having sex with whats between their legs.
and the pansexuality label is just a stereotype for people who want to show how caring and compassionate they are for all humans while being bisexual. ive also seen people give themselves the label of aspergers sufferer because they like the stereotype they perceive in "the positive benefits" of aspergers syndrome, as well as ADHD because they liked the stereotype that came along with that.

oh, and the more gay people i know means ive had way more opportunity to discuss these topics with those people. unlike you, im assuming, who just labels everything based on how you see it on tv
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Ok, if you truly believe that trans* people and dudes who get horn implants are anywhere near the same category, then I see what your problem is. You just can't put in even an ounce of perspective into our shoes, so I'm not going to ask that from you anymore. What I'm curious about now is what you believe the stereotypes of trans* people are. If I identify as trans*, how am I benefiting by opening myself to people who are disgusted by me, who want to murder me for being who I am, who pretend to be my ally but just want to seem open-minded, or fuckers like you who don't believe I exist and that I should get over myself.
I don't think you understand that people who are born differently take a while to realize what that difference is and that by latching onto labels, they can find groups that empathize with them and help them discover themselves if they're unsure, which is a pretty common thing for a young teen growing up in a society where being gay/bi/etc. is uncommon. You don't have to take up a label to fit into it perfectly; you use it to get a simplified presentation of what you are and to associate with others who probably have similar experiences. I honestly don't think I need to describe this basic 101 to you. If I was gay, am I supposed to tell people I'm not gay because that would be rendering myself to possible stereotypes? That's pretty dumb because I'm pretty sure there's nothing offensive about identifying as gay and if people do have preconceived notions, all you have to do is tell them otherwise. Or else you'd also be offended by people who identify as straight and that they're submitting to their stereotypes of uh eating cereal I guess? I think I already previously mentioned how I viewed pansexuality which was not one that was completely positive so I don't know why you're trying to argue with me against something I agreed to an extent on, though someone else did make a point that the previously established terms of bisexuality vs pansexuality are what separates the two and have caused dispute.

Also, I haven't said fuckall about my orientation yet so stop trying to assume I'm the one who's getting my info. from the media when you seem to be just slinging the word "stereotype" around as if it was the cause of everything.
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i think youre 16 and havent got a clue what your orientation is yet.
why do you insist that you need a drastic alteration to be yourself but people with horns arent being themselves with their alterations. if you were truly accepting as you wish others to be you would see that body alterations which "let you be who you feel you were meant to be" could as well be the same for people with horns as they are for you. instead you discriminate against those alterations, as whatever you think they are, but you are truly trying to set yourself free...

and clearly you think im trying to stereotype you based on your identified orientation.
i said before that being gay isnt a stereotype, the lisp and fashion choice are.
and i couldnt care less if you exist or not. i am completely indifferent towards you and your idea of sexual identity.
you came into this thread and attacked me based on my use of the word stereotype. you are the one in here being belligerent and trying to prove something.
my original post was entirely about the stereotypes people choose to adhere to based on how they identify themselves, whether it be "goth", "pansexual", "elven", whatever...
you were the one who came in here on the attack as if i called you, specifically, a phony.

now, the fact remains that you can mutilate your body in any way you want.
you are still only be straight, gay or bi. you either like playing with the opposite parts, same parts you have or you dont have a preferance for gender parts either way.
anything else is just for looks. so go be a trans, get your body changed to whatever you want. it wont change your sexual orientation as either straight, gay, or bi. make up your mind and quit trying to be the rosa parks of transgenders, ru paul beat you too it 20 years ago.
Posted 8/13/13 , edited 8/13/13

swirly_commode wrote:

i think youre 16 and havent got a clue what your orientation is yet.
why do you insist that you need a drastic alteration to be yourself but people with horns arent being themselves with their alterations. if you were truly accepting as you wish others to be you would see that body alterations which "let you be who you feel you were meant to be" could as well be the same for people with horns as they are for you. instead you discriminate against those alterations, as whatever you think they are, but you are truly trying to set yourself free...

and clearly you think im trying to stereotype you based on your identified orientation.
i said before that being gay isnt a stereotype, the lisp and fashion choice are.
and i couldnt care less if you exist or not. i am completely indifferent towards you and your idea of sexual identity.
you came into this thread and attacked me based on my use of the word stereotype. you are the one in here being belligerent and trying to prove something.
my original post was entirely about the stereotypes people choose to adhere to based on how they identify themselves, whether it be "goth", "pansexual", "elven", whatever...
you were the one who came in here on the attack as if i called you, specifically, a phony.

now, the fact remains that you can mutilate your body in any way you want.
you are still only be straight, gay or bi. you either like playing with the opposite parts, same parts you have or you dont have a preferance for gender parts either way.
anything else is just for looks. so go be a trans, get your body changed to whatever you want. it wont change your sexual orientation as either straight, gay, or bi. make up your mind and quit trying to be the rosa parks of transgenders, ru paul beat you too it 20 years ago.


I could be 13 and I'd still know more than you about orientations/identities. I don't know if this is news to you but trans* people don't have to have surgery. And once again, you can't compare people who really want a tattoo or horns to look cool to someone who struggles with feeling not like themselves everyday and isn't comfortable with their body the way it is, whether they want to simply dress the way they feel or do hormone therapy/surgery. I only attacked you on this topic because you claimed that only male/female existed and that pretty much says you believe nonbinary genders are a sham. And whatever your original post was, all your subsequent posts have indeed dragged trans* issues into this topic.

And I think simplifying all orientations to straight, gay, or bi is incredibly narrow-minded. There's asexuals, pansexuals, demisexuals, etc. etc. much more than you'd like to believe so that you could not have to think about it. I never said that my identity affects my orientation so why are you bringing that up. I don't think that trying to defend myself is making myself to be the "rosa parks of transgenders."

Once again, since you're so great at avoiding questions, how do I identify as bi (as an example) without actually identifying as it to be a real bi person. Apparently by realizing I am bisexual, I've rendered myself not a bisexual by not claiming that when I was just born rather than my current age. I still haven't heard your opinions on the stereotypes of trans* people and how identifying as one gives one personal benefits.
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And whatever your original post was, all your subsequent posts have indeed dragged trans* issues into this topic.


no, that was you going on the attack, im just trying to prod you along until you calm down and can actually have a rational discussion without screaming about your identity


And once again, you can't compare people who really want a tattoo or horns to look cool to someone who struggles with feeling not like themselves everyday and isn't comfortable with their body the way it is, whether they want to simply dress the way they feel or do hormone therapy/surgery.


no, i can
apparently you are the one with a prejudice against others who arent like you.



Once again, since you're so great at avoiding questions, how do I identify as bi (as an example) without actually identifying as it to be a real bi person. Apparently by realizing I am bisexual, I've rendered myself not a bisexual by not claiming that when I was just born rather than my current age. I still haven't heard your opinions on the stereotypes of trans* people and how identifying as one gives one personal benefits.


im not even sure what that says.
at 16 your still wet behind the ears. a lot of people your age. probably you included, are still virgins and dont even know what sex, love, and relationships are about. yet you are able to claim that you should have been born a different gender....
yeah, ok...
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"im not even sure what that says." We can end this discussion on this note because that's all I've felt your replies to my posts have presented, so it's pretty much a waste of my time to argue any further. On a last note though, my being a virgin or not doesnt relate to my identity, because like you said yourself before, my orientation has nothing to do with my identity.
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actually, being a virgin relates A LOT to your sexual identity and how you view yourself, especially at your age and in this time where theres a label for every subset of behaviors and thoughts

heres a tip for you:
all guys prefer hanging out with other guys and love boobs. that makes us normal. not gay or trans.
some women prefer to hang out with guys and love boobs. that makes them pretty normal too, not gay or trans.
some guys like to dress well and listen to show tunes and while i wouldnt quite call that normal, it doesnt make them gay.

these are the stereotypes im talking about.
these are the stereotypes that it seems kids your age decide they have to adhere to in order to identify as gay or whatever...
Posted 8/13/13 , edited 8/13/13

swirly_commode wrote:

actually, being a virgin relates A LOT to your sexual identity and how you view yourself, especially at your age and in this time where theres a label for every subset of behaviors and thoughts

heres a tip for you:
all guys prefer hanging out with other guys and love boobs. that makes us normal. not gay or trans.
some women prefer to hang out with guys and love boobs. that makes them pretty normal too, not gay or trans.
some guys like to dress well and listen to show tunes and while i wouldnt quite call that normal, it doesnt make them gay.

these are the stereotypes im talking about.
these are the stereotypes that it seems kids your age decide they have to adhere to in order to identify as gay or whatever...


I have never brought up any of these ideas nor do most people even believe in those stereotypes, and I also think it's shitty you think the opposite of being gay/trans is normal. Your first statement's pretty dumb as fuck. I suppose if I were asexual, I'd have to have sex first to know that I didn't have urges for it. There exist trans* people who dislike sex, what does that say about them? I have never mentioned any of my behaviors making up the reason why I do identify as trans, so you're the one who's throwing generalizations in here. If you really had the capacity to believe I might understand myself more than you do, then I'd attempt to discuss it intellectually with you. But I think you're more interested in making sure your voice is the final say in topics you barely skim the surface of (you have more authority than me cuz you have gay friends it seems).
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i brought up those ideas in my original posts that you started arguing about.
you started arguing about being trans.
dont join a discussion if you dont know what its about.

and yes, you kinda have to have sex to understand that you dont liek this or that.
i used to know a girl, cute redhead, who thought she was straight until she started having sex and realized she didnt like the penis.
but in your world i suppose that cant happen because everyone grabs a label and adheres to the stereotypes right out of the gate.

you have a lot to learn about life and sexuality
if i were you, id put off any thought of it at least until mid college.
then decide what you think you are.
Posted 8/13/13 , edited 8/13/13

swirly_commode wrote:

i brought up those ideas in my original posts that you started arguing about.
you started arguing about being trans.
dont join a discussion if you dont know what its about.

and yes, you kinda have to have sex to understand that you dont liek this or that.
i used to know a girl, cute redhead, who thought she was straight until she started having sex and realized she didnt like the penis.
but in your world i suppose that cant happen because everyone grabs a label and adheres to the stereotypes right out of the gate.

you have a lot to learn about life and sexuality
if i were you, id put off any thought of it at least until mid college.
then decide what you think you are.


I still can't quite understand why you don't get that being trans* has nothing to do with what genitals I like or don't like. I'm not saying orientations can't be fluid (which is pretty interesting because you were arguing that being experimental means you're not actually it in your other post) but whatever I enjoy has nothing to do with how I see myself. I never denied that I'm slightly unsure of my orientation, but that you trying to tell me I'm confused about my identity is pretty irritating when I've thought this over for too many years and finally came to peace with myself; it's not some shitty decision I decided to make 5 seconds ago because I found the word in the dictionary. I think you're confused about the differences between sexual orientation and gender identity.
I'm aware of what stereotypes are. I just didn't know your ideas of what stereotypes are predominant in lgbt culture were that inaccurate and irrelevant. I suppose if you're going to ignore all my commentaries with the fact that I'm 16, then I should start telling people I'm 21 and anything I say will be fact. Also, I've pretty much stopped talking about pansexuality because there were already intellectual discussions on it, and you seem more interested with disproving people's identities than discussing about them. It'd be great if you stopped with your wounded animal complex because you decided to keep coming back to this thread to comment how delusional our discussions were.
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I'm aware of what stereotypes are. I just didn't know your ideas of what stereotypes are predominant in lgbt culture were that inaccurate and irrelevant.


do you think being gay gives you a lisp, makes you prance around and listen to show tunes?
that might be a little exaggerated but it is the stereotype that a lot of, especially younger, gay guys try to adhere to. its a sub culture type of thing or identity that identifies them as gay to other gays. that image isnt what makes a gay guy gay and the way he dresses or the the way he walks has nothing to do with his sexuality. those are just stereotypes that kids like you seem to think are important.

lgbt culture?
is that different from straight culture?
does a gay mexican have a different culture than a straight mexican?
how bout a gay russian? different than a straight russian?
what makes gay culture any different than straight culture?

go ahead, define the differences for us.
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oh
and if you claimed to be 21 people would call you immature for your age and probably wouldnt believe you.
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