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What if the feminist movement never happened?
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What would the world be like if the feminist movement had never taken root?

I personally love history, and psychology, and i have been reading up on stereo types against women, and the historical events that took place in the past, and that are taking place now, in the Feminist movement, but what if the Feminist movement had never happened?

I wonder how bad the world would be without the millions of Female scientists, humanitarians, political legends and all the great minds of the female persuasion, what if none of them had the chance to do what they did, or are going to do?

Here's what i think

I think that first of all, the world would either be a much darker place, or the human race would be extinct, why do i think this?

Because believe it or not, women have a had a very profound effect on how we view the world, and i believe that the effect this movement has had on us, at least the way i think as a result of that continuing movement, is far more positive then how some of us, most of us, used to think.

What do you all think?

Please state factual answers, with some depth, or just agree or disagree. I do not know everything, and i am sure some readers will scoff at this post and some of the things i have written here, i do not yet know a great deal about the history of the feminist movement, but i know about some seriously damaging stereo types that i personally find horrific.

But again, what do you all think?

Please share your opinions.

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Sorry, i meant to have the tittle say, What if the feminist movement had never happened, i am somewhat of a ditz, my apologies.
Also, I am not on here much, so replies from me might not happen for a bit, if you are expecting one, expect a late one.
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I think this is a perfect example of an academic discussion. Most of our academic discussion is placed in the Extended Discussion section so I will be moving this post there.
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Well we would have more sandwich jokes..

hehe, Joking I don't know, but I like it how it is today and totally understand why it happened, it's better this way
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Thank you, my mistake. As i said, not on here a lot. It has been a long time since i read the rules of the site.
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Thepoorfool wrote:

Thank you, my mistake. As i said, not on here a lot. It has been a long time since i read the rules of the site.


That's ok ^.^ at least you read the rules at one point lol! As for your subject I would probably not be a moderator here since wom"y"n would probably hold not many positions of power so more power to the wom"y"n who made it all possible! Also, shows geared toward girls and wom"y"m wouldn't be the same or probably exist... they might be anime one how wom"ym can become great cooks and do domestic house work EK~ not saying its wrong but I like choices and I don't want to fall into the limited categories wo"men" back then were forced to play.
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Well life would have been much worse for the female persuasion I'd imagine. For men it would probably be the same as now.

No say in how things are run and if you had an aspiration to be anything other than a housewife or mother you'd never have chance to prove yourself as you wouldn't be taken seriously.

I think we still need feminism in my country as it is quite backwards when it comes to a number of womens' issues and usually Ireland has to be forced by the EU to do anything for women. It gets real fucking tiring, for example rape in marriage only became illegal in the past 20 years since you were considered to be giving constant 'consent' since your wedding day. That's the sort of shit women had to put up with in the not so distant past.
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That sounds absolutely horrific, i hope things change for the better over there soon. However, i do know that Ireland was in the control of the British empire for quite some time, well into the 20th century at least. In 1922, after the Irish war of independence and the Anglo-Irish treaty, The larger part of Ireland broke off from the British Empire, it was dubbed the Irish Free state. Then in 1937 with the Irish constitution it became Ireland.

Northern Ireland still remained in the hands of the British empire, the Irish civil war followed soon after the war of the independence.

You're country has only had, what? A handful of decades to figure itself out. Now in that time thing's could have been handled well, or they could have been handled poorly. Because of the resulting effects from the Irish Civil war, which were the sporadic fighting and feuds between the Protestant and Catholic factions in the country, i surmise "This is a thesis not concrete fact" that things moved slowly politically and that is why it took so long for the feminist movement to take hold in Ireland.

What i mean by that is, the males that had political power were so busy fighting amongst themselves that they had no time for Women's rights, which is idiotic when you really think about it.

I got my information from Wikipedia, if any of it is incorrect, please let me know i will edit the post right away, or take it down.

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^There is a lot more to it of course but that is about the gist of it.

One thing that annoys me is Ireland blaming Britain for a lot of things, including it's slow development regarding equality (not just women's issues, gays and other minorities still get a tough break). Most of Europe, even other traditionally Catholic countries have moved on more than us.

The government has been quite sexist, despite the fact women helped a lot in the War of independence (Countess Markievicz for example). There used to be a 'Marraige ban' on women who had jobs, forcing them to give them up upon getting married so a man could have the job instead leaving her totally dependent on her husband, so if things turned violent she had nowhere to go and no way of supporting herself (Divorce was also illegal until the early 1990's I think).


Until 16 years ago women could be sent to places called Magdalene laundries, where they were basically slaves who were abused emotionally, sexually and physically and buried in unmarked graves. If a girl had a baby it was taken off her and sent to America, most never saw their real mothers again. There was a huge list of reasons girls ended up here, usually being pregnant outside of marraige but also for silly reasons like being too ugly, getting raped, being too pretty etc .This went one for decades and only now is a report being done about them.

There's been reports also done about women who had their pubic bones sawed into during childbirth in hospitals up until the 90's. This was usually done to unwed women ,at the behest of a pries,t to 'punish' them for sex outside of wedlock as it was extremely painful and left many of them with disabilities and in pain for the rest of their lives, many not knowing what had actually been done to them

Even today there is a huge row going on about womens health (Ireland has the strictest abortion laws in the developed world, no exceptions,not even in cases of rape, incest or severe foetal abnormality). 4000 Irish women a year are forced to go to the UK for abortions and yet not a single one was invited to speak at a government hearing on the issue, though plenty of celibate clergy men did get a say.


Contraception used to be illegal and feminists used to break the law by going up North and to the UK to bring back contraceptives, so women could control their own reproductive system.

Life was very bleak for women in this country until about 20 years ago. It's gotten better but has a ways to go yet.
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Women would still have very few, if any, rights. Just servants beneath male control constantly belittled and used for slavery and sexual pleasure.
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Posted 1/14/13
If feminist movement never happened, women would still get more rights after two world wars decimated male population. Someone has to keep the civilization going after all.
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There wouldn't be a HUGE difference, but a dramatic one certainly, I'm glad I read the first page, I was going to assume you meant the more 'slang' term for feminist.
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Posted 1/15/13 , edited 1/15/13
I believe that the feminist movement is still occurring and will not end until all men believe that women are not objects used to satisfy their libidos.
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Posted 1/15/13 , edited 1/15/13
What do you mean by Feminist movement?

As in, historically speaking, where do you start the feminist movement?

The feminist movement proper doesn't start until the late nineteenth century, according to feminist scholars, which would exclude famous proto-feminists such as Mary Wollstonecraft, Jeremy Bentham, John Stuart Mill, etc.

However, the feminist movement did bring to question the traditional gender roles for both men and women, which, ultimately, freed both sexes.

It is therefore wrong to treat feminism as a liberation of one sex, when it is, in fact, a liberation of both sexes.
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@ longfenglim
My thoughts exactly.

@ thepoorfool

Do you mean 1st wave (early 20th century), 2nd wave (60s-70s), or 3rd wave (90s-00s)?

Also the Feminist movement as you describe has not happened everywhere, especially in Asia. The have their own gender dynamics to work out.
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The feminist movement would have been great if only the female could have remained feminine.
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