First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  Next  Last
Thoughts on the illuminati
28 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
24 / M / Washington
Offline
Posted 1/18/13 , edited 1/18/13

AruarianDance wrote:

Because you just denied it. You know about the connection between American Politicians and Jewish Lobbyists, AIPAC etc?


Yawn.

I know about the supposed "connection", yes. What conspiracy theorists spout, anyway. It's nonsense though, just like every other conspiracy theory out there. Sure, the United States government is corrupt, and a lot of that has to do with the lobbyists/corporations. But to say that it's because of Zionism is just ridiculous.

And the claims about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" are even more ridiculous. Laughable even.
Posted 1/18/13
Conspiracy would imply that it's not in the public domain, I've read a lot of Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Howard Zinn, Norman Finklestein etc, I know that Americas support in a state of Zion is a breach of several humanitarian laws, It's not Illuminati exists vs they don't It's good vs bad, freedom vs enslavement.... You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to see how the rulers have a nexus with all parts of the globe, doing business with only their maintaining of power and expansion of it at heart, they'd love centralization of power, and that is world order.
Banned
31571 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
34 / M / The Void.
Offline
Posted 1/18/13 , edited 1/18/13
Just ignore all the people the don't believe in their existence. Those people are just lost sheep. As for AxisXIViral, he is probably a drone bot sent here to discredit the believers.

It's really hard to believe that there are still so many people that don't believe the conspiracies. I bet most people don't even know the meaning of conspiracy.
28 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
24 / M / Washington
Offline
Posted 1/18/13 , edited 1/18/13

-Vega- wrote:

Just ignore all the people the don't believe in their existence. Those people are just lost sheep. As for AxisXIViral, he is probably a drone bot sent here to discredit the believers.

It's really hard to believe that there are still so many people that don't believe the conspiracies. I bet most people don't even know the meaning of conspiracy.


A drone bot? LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SynfQ7sTUc
18880 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M / United States
Offline
Posted 1/18/13

-Vega- wrote:

Just ignore all the people the don't believe in their existence. Those people are just lost sheep. As for AxisXIViral, he is probably a drone bot sent here to discredit the believers.

It's really hard to believe that there are still so many people that don't believe the conspiracies. I bet most people don't even know the meaning of conspiracy.


...What?
25302 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
18 / F
Offline
Posted 1/18/13 , edited 1/18/13
-lurks thread-

This is amusing. Watching conspiracy theorists spout bullshit and watch other people discredit them. Entertaining. I've already said my piece, so I'm just going to keep watching the post count increase. Controversial threads are interesting indeed.

Go on about your business~ I'll be sitting here, eagerly munching my popcorn
3144 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26 / M
Offline
Posted 1/18/13 , edited 1/18/13
The term conspiracy means in its grammatical use, a person or group of people who act secretly with the goal of achieving power, wealth, influence, ect.

Add the term theory which means a coherent group of tested general propositions that are commonly regarded as correct.

Put that all together and conspiracy theory should mean a person or group of people acting secretly with the goal of achieving power, wealth, influence, ect. within the realm of coherent and properly tested propositions that can be regarded as rationally correct.

So a rational conspiracy theory is the Nazis themselves setting the Reichstag on fire, then you have people getting lost ad-mist the noise of newsworthy but ridiculous, irrational, or outlandish theories such as New World Order, the Moon Landing, or Planet X.
8033 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
35 / M / Camden, NJ
Offline
Posted 1/18/13


For starters, visit this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy_theory%29#Illuminati to get some background on the "secret organization."

Again, the Illuminati is a secret organization, so much of the information isn't of the best source or quality. I am curious to know why you seem to have a strong interest in the society.

It is generally accepted (from people who in search of the truth and ancient historians) that the Illuminati, as well as the Order of the Freemasons, have members who are within the most elite (most wealthy and rich and powerful) circles of society. They collectively set agenda and make plans to direct world affairs as they see fit. They (Illuminati) are very well educated, and think of the rest of society as ignorant, greedy, wasteful, and incompetent of carrying out the intelligent evolutionary process for mankind. The rest of the world, to them, are seen as sheep, as in a herdsman who leads the flock of ignorant or unintelligent sheep to graze on the green pasture, oblivious to what's really going on around them.

Listen, moving down this path, to gain more information, can be depressing and may make you angry. You will not look at the world the same. Nothing is as it seems. The truth, while dependent on what may or may not be relevant to your life, is not what is written in the history books. Much of that knowledge is based on Limited Engagement , which is a term used frequently in espionage/trade craft. Google it.

A good book to start with, is one written by the late William Cooper, is titled: Behold a Pale Horse . It can be found on Amazon, and is well written. A former high-ranking officer in the Navy, Mr. Cooper was killed trying to expose many secrets, including those of secret societies.

Lastly, many people have looked at the information I research and/or am interested in, finding it strange and the like. Who are the true keepers of knowledge? How can one completely trust the source of information, just because many people consider it to be correct? How often have our grandparents or the elderly held firmly to ideas/beliefs/knowledge just because everyone "knows this" or because of some superstition? I feel that science and empiricism (using all five senses to grasp and understand reality) are only one way to get to the truth. Being objective, researching multiple sources, applying knowledge gained from wisdom and one's own "reason," will get you closer to the truth. I can go on for hours, but I'll stop here.

--EvolveFiRE

P.S. I also have the .PDF or ebook of Mr. Cooper's book. If you really want it, I'll email it to you.
8033 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
35 / M / Camden, NJ
Offline
Posted 1/18/13 , edited 1/18/13

AxisXIViral wrote:


AruarianDance wrote:

Because you just denied it. You know about the connection between American Politicians and Jewish Lobbyists, AIPAC etc?


Yawn.

I know about the supposed "connection", yes. What conspiracy theorists spout, anyway. It's nonsense though, just like every other conspiracy theory out there. Sure, the United States government is corrupt, and a lot of that has to do with the lobbyists/corporations. But to say that it's because of Zionism is just ridiculous.

And the claims about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" are even more ridiculous. Laughable even.


That's funny. I love those "debunkers" who quickly throw away the term conspiracy and call all those that actually attempt to hold some of these conspiracies to light as lunatics.

Today, our mainstream media is laughable. Besides academia, who really conducts quality journalism any more? The government is constantly involved in coverups and although the facts are clear and distinct, the media and unenlightened---dare I say ignorant or intellectually lazy men as yourself---are quick to label people, who draw reasonable suspicion as quacks or crazies. Healthy suspicion is always good, and it usually involves critical thinking, hopefully objective.

Btw, when the President and just about every other Congressman and Congresswomen, including every political wannabe grovels under the might and opinion of AIPAC to "supposedly" gain the critical Jewish vote when they only make up approximately 2.5% of the US population, it is sure to raise eyebrows.

Did I forget to mention that we give Israel about 3 billion (conservative est.) yearly in aid, when their HDI is ranked 17th in the world, not to mention their strong overall economy and high market capitalization. Also, according to the World Bank, if you trust that source, Israel's GNI is $28,930. Not bad.

I'm NOT attacking Israel, but exemplifying some concerns those evil "conspiracy theorists." There's some truth in every conspiracy, yet I agree many become a little too paranoid, not to minimize their concern.

You're welcome.

3144 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26 / M
Offline
Posted 1/19/13 , edited 1/19/13


I am going to stick with Aquinas's definition "Truth is the equation [or ad-equation] of things and intellect."

The image below best sums up a conspiracy theorist in my eyes.



Ever asking "why...." but never seeking the actual truth.

I have yet to meet a person who believes in... say... the moon landing hoax and has been able to lift their burden of proof.

The belief that power shifts do not reveal these huge conspiracy theories is just something i can not get behind and most people who believe in these conspiracy theories think that the same people have been running the world since day one... The conditions needed to fully pass a large scale conspiracy theory are so outside human behavior that i cant believe this is even a topic of discussion these days. No regime is perfect and i have yet to research a regime that would have been able to pull off not just one but multiple of these supposed large scale conspiracy theories.
Posted 1/19/13
i like the illuminati.
8033 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
35 / M / Camden, NJ
Offline
Posted 1/19/13 , edited 1/19/13
I'll stick with Aristotle's definition (St. Thomas Aquinas was quite the admirer):

"To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true."

All truth, (any tithe of it) should exist independently of human thought, influence, and even reason. Essentially, if one cannot grasp their mind around that aspect, the entire premise is lost.

"The perfection of an idea, is one that our mind is able to comprehend." For example, the brain is able to understand the characteristics of a perfect square, circle or even triangle, although one has, reality, never seen a perfect square. Each time one sees a square, even if it consists "of a size and color you have never before seen, you are able to recognize it as a square, because you have the form of square in your mind."

For some people the truth is so far from "their" reality, that it confuses the mind.

Most knowledge is relativism vs. realism and its congruent structures. Without objectivity and empiricism, what is fact or fiction?

What is the actual truth you speak of? Is it only the truth because the NYT makes it available to you or because you read the Federal Register?

What I am arguing is any fact or shred of information, is worth investigating. I, for one, am not advocating entire contrived episodic fairy tales to convince people of an event. However, too many are easily dismissive.
28 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
24 / M / Washington
Offline
Posted 1/19/13

EvolveFiRE wrote:

I'll stick with Aristotle's definition (St. Thomas Aquinas was quite the admirer):

"To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true."

All truth, (any tithe of it) should exist independently of human thought, influence, and even reason. Essentially, if one cannot grasp their mind around that aspect, the entire premise is lost.

"The perfection of an idea that our mind is able to comprehend." For example, the brain is able to understand the characteristics of a perfect
square, circle or even triangle, although one has, reality , never seen a perfect square. Each time one sees a square, even if it consists "of a size and color you have never before seen, you are able to recognize it as a square, because you have the form of square in your mind."

Most knowledge is relativism vs. realism and its congruent structures. Without objectivity and empiricism, what is fact or fiction?

What is the actual truth you speak of? Is it only the truth because the NYT makes it available to you or because you read the Federal Register?

What I am arguing is any fact or shred of information, is worth investigating. I, for one, am not advocating entire contrived episodic fairy tales to convince people of an event. However, too many are easily dismissive.


I am easily dismissive because there is no evidence.

Claims that are made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
24174 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
44 / M / Memphis, TN
Offline
Posted 1/19/13
Wait, I can't remember. . .are they the ones who show up in green uniforms while selling cookies or the ones who show up smelling like marijuana while selling magazine subscriptions?
8033 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
35 / M / Camden, NJ
Offline
Posted 1/19/13

AxisXIViral wrote:

I am easily dismissive because there is no evidence.

Claims that are made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


I'm not sure how much to discuss or reveal on an Anime forum, especially when this moment in time is merely a passing whim for most.

Your comment about there being no evidence is certainly laughable.

Certainly, many of the "doomsday" claims made by the Illuminati, fear-mongering community can be dismissed or found to be silly and inconceivable. I feel that those who intend to profit and build an audience by evoking emotional, irrational fears in the public are the cause of this disease. However to say there, as you put, no evidence, is certainly comical in itself.

Sigh, I am not sure about which particular aspect of the Illuminati or their existence you find to be hearsay, but the Illuminati is indeed real and so is the NWO. The details surrounding these two agenda and/or secret societies are very much up for debate.

In fact, our own dollar, assuming you live in the U.S., has the words Novus Ordo Seclorum (New Order for the Ages or New World Order) imprinted on it.

May the universe impart its wisdom upon you on your quest for the truth.

Have a good day everyone!



First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.