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Blurr25 wrote:

Thanks brother, I think I gave him something to think about for a while since he hasn't responded. I guess all we can hope is that he is actually THINKING.


Dont feed the trolls is all I can say. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Master_kefka wrote:
Okay. Why so serious?
Does it feel better to teach me what you think I don't know? Although I have to admit I didn't know Colbert was the expert. However while I can follow the link - that content is unavailable to me in Canada.


I am a research scientist, so yeah it does feel good to teach you what you don't know. Too bad the link doesn't work. It's to a clip of Colbert's version of "Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain that" and other O'Reilly-isms. He has an astrophysicist on the show to explain the working of the tides. Basically he turns Bill O'Reilly's ignorance into a five minute joke that can be summed up with, "ignorance is my proof of God".


So I imagined.
The sheer stupidity of extremist religionists seems to have you biased against all else.
I assure you I am quite familiar with the effects of the moon on our waters, as I am with the relationship of earth and sun, solar flare and magnetic shield, and a multitude of obviously non important educational sciences, like math, chemistry, and the like. But as a lowly and simple minded non-scientist I certainly have never experimented with generations upon generation of fruit flies, never deliberately causing mutations only to find out at the end of the project they remained, fruit flies. Certainly not me.

Shamefully I must submit to this mantle of simply being human, where upon anything I say can simply be dismissed for I am not willing to seek out degrees, doctorates, nor funding from vested interests to become a respectable and trusted Scientist. Of course, one could still do science without these things, but there's just no respect for them, no privileges. Unless of course the reward they seek is the truth itself. But as we've found out. Most people can't handle the truth.
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I sometimes like to pretend I'm a turtle.

I like turtles.
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a619ko wrote:

I sometimes like to pretend I'm a turtle.

I like turtles.


I like mine turtles

Hello!
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RadioactiveSugar wrote:


a619ko wrote:

I sometimes like to pretend I'm a turtle.

I like turtles.


I like mine turtles

Hello!


....omg....

Throooww the cheeesee...
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shard147 wrote:

What is the 'it' that we pretend not to see? The massacre itself? Or the implications of?


I think its pretty much everything that we don't agree with and that we just don't like.... I used to be the same. I justified not watching the news by saying that it was because there were always bad things on. Thus i ignored it because i didn't like it, which was some sort of defense mechanism. I mean it's sometimes hard to swallow how cruel people can be. So i meant it in that sense.
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a619ko wrote:


RadioactiveSugar wrote:


a619ko wrote:

I sometimes like to pretend I'm a turtle.

I like turtles.


I like mine turtles

Hello!


....omg....

Throooww the cheeesee...


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probably because there was a gaping hole in the reporting of it on mainstream media, a lot of stuff aired as it happened that conflicted the later story and was never shown and that kids from the school said they never heard or saw a gunman. Then again I don't really know why they would set up a massacre like that at a young children's school.


Yes...the story kept changing along the way and it was a bit irritating. People seemed more concerned about being the 1st ones to report the story than actually reporting the truth.
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lorddisick wrote:

I prefer the truth.
Rather be sad for a moment then be in a blind happiness.


simply well put
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Omg. It's been a while since I've seen those videos, fun times.
Haha, thanks!<3
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Problem is everyone has a different idea of what the "truth" is and with so many news outlets it becomes increasingly hard to figure out what are lies, half-truths, and the truth.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIOuKcr_Co4
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GayAsianBoy

I didn't say philosophy or History isn't important, all I'm saying is that those subjects aren't objective to me, therefore I'm not drawn to it as much as I am to science.

I'm not arguing for argument's sake or trying prove you wrong, but I happen to watch a documentary on Mesopotamians (one of the earliest civilisations of humans) the other day, and in the documentary, they said that it was the Mesopotamians who first started using numbers on money as a way to trade... that is the first record of the use of mathematics and it wasn't inspired by philosophy.

Link to documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8v2vRlLL58

I do agree with you, astronomy was largely influenced by philosophy, even modern astronomy is still influenced by the questions, "Why are we here" or "What are humans?". But not all areas of science is influenced by philosophy, take Chemistry for example. That was inspired by Alchemy which came from the greed of people wanting to turn things into gold.


Ah, yes I am familiar with that. Perhaps I should have clarified: Philosophy as it is most basically defined is the origin for these concepts. When someone first thought, "How can I make a number into a physical object?" (the first instance of quantifying the number 1 with a token), they were practicing a philosophical action. Man trying to bring an abstract concept, in this case numbers, into tangible reality; this a philosophical exercise. I wasn't referring to western philosophy as it was thought of by the ancient Greeks and so on. The act of pondering something beyond the face-value, into the finer details and meaning, this is philosophical in nature. I am not saying that any field of science is inspired by philosophy per se, but that these areas of study ultimately sprang forth from man's desire to understand and examine the world around him, and that GayAsianBoy is philosophy.

There is indeed an area of philosophical thought that deals with objectivity, now that you mention it. It's referred to as objectivism, and this gives us the terminology to classify things as being objective.

I can however accept that you are drawn to the objectivity of the scientific method, but please understand my insistence on exposing the fallacies of your earlier statements. There are things that you said that I fundamentally disagree with, and I wanted to establish the reasons behind that objectively, of course. ;)
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Man I just have to say, some interesting debates have occurred in this thread. Much thanks to GayAsianBoy (he said in a perplexed tone) for challenging my view of the world. I find especially interesting another debate going on between master_kefka and mhibicke. Definitely a refreshing evening I've spent in the forums of a streaming anime website. Life still has a few curveballs left in her. Thank (insert specific deity or lack thereof here).
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agira wrote:


shard147 wrote:

What is the 'it' that we pretend not to see? The massacre itself? Or the implications of?


I think its pretty much everything that we don't agree with and that we just don't like.... I used to be the same. I justified not watching the news by saying that it was because there were always bad things on. Thus i ignored it because i didn't like it, which was some sort of defense mechanism. I mean it's sometimes hard to swallow how cruel people can be. So i meant it in that sense.

It's not abnormal for soft-hearted or caring people not to want to drown themselves in the news.

It's one of the reasons I like to keep up on developments within an industry as much as I try to keep up with world events. Humans are naturally predisposed to pay attention to violence (for a host of reasons, avoiding violence, joining a side, being glad we're not involved...) and we are incapable of understanding the scope of the world in relationship to the mass media.

Basically, if you were to take in the news, without being involved in a legitimate, real-world community, all would be suffering and drama.

I just hate the idea of making laws based on an emotional reaction to a super-isolated, super-awful incident.
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