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For those who have seen Evangelion 3.0 You Can (not) Redo, what are you opinions of it? I mean obviously, it went in a totally different direction than from what we saw in 2.0, but did you like the major change?

For me, I liked it a lot (MAJOR SPOILERS):


So tell me what you guys thought of it, even if you liked it or not.
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I'm still really enjoying the rebuild but I have a lot of complaints about this movie. It felt rather sluggish to me. Also, a lot of stuff appears and then disappears without much insight.
As you said, most of the movie is just Shinji. Most of the other characters only get a couple minutes with a handful of dialogue. I felt Kaworu was the worst offender since I was really looking forward to seeing more of him (one of the major highlights of the remake movies for me is Kaworu from start to finish). But as it turns out he didn't do very much and he looses most of his "otherworldly insight". I mean, in the other two movies it seemed like he knew everything that there was to know. But in this movie he couldn't see an obvious trap from a mile away. What's worse, once he DOES see whats going on he just kinda clams up and doesn't actively try to stop it.
I also kinda take issue with the information we are given in this movie. It's exceptionally blunt. Characters literally just tell Shinji flat out what's going on and why. It seems to me like these movies lack the subtlety of the original series. I understand that's why some people are enjoying the rebuild more than the original...but it's just a big turnoff in my book.
But, I think most of my complaints will be exclusive to this movie. This was kind of the "middle" of the series and the first movie where practically everything was different. I'm really hopeful that the fourth movie will correct many of the mistakes this movie made by giving us the insight and character interactions this movie lacked.
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-782095/impressions-of-eva-30 ~ Already a thread similar.


UltraOtaku wrote:

I'm still really enjoying the rebuild but I have a lot of complaints about this movie. It felt rather sluggish to me. Also, a lot of stuff appears and then disappears without much insight.
As you said, most of the movie is just Shinji. Most of the other characters only get a couple minutes with a handful of dialogue. I felt Kaworu was the worst offender since I was really looking forward to seeing more of him (one of the major highlights of the remake movies for me is Kaworu from start to finish). But as it turns out he didn't do very much and he looses most of his "otherworldly insight". I mean, in the other two movies it seemed like he knew everything that there was to know. But in this movie he couldn't see an obvious trap from a mile away. What's worse, once he DOES see whats going on he just kinda clams up and doesn't actively try to stop it.
I also kinda take issue with the information we are given in this movie. It's exceptionally blunt. Characters literally just tell Shinji flat out what's going on and why. It seems to me like these movies lack the subtlety of the original series. I understand that's why some people are enjoying the rebuild more than the original...but it's just a big turnoff in my book.
But, I think most of my complaints will be exclusive to this movie. This was kind of the "middle" of the series and the first movie where practically everything was different. I'm really hopeful that the fourth movie will correct many of the mistakes this movie made by giving us the insight and character interactions this movie lacked.


Everything you knew about the characters personalities from the original TV series, manga, EoE, etc. scrap them. This is Rebuild, different altogether. Don't compare between them, it won't do any good. They never tell Shinji anything in the movie by the way. Will-E and everyone in it that is, not the remnants of NERV.
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I'm still really enjoying the rebuild but I have a lot of complaints about this movie. It felt rather sluggish to me. Also, a lot of stuff appears and then disappears without much insight.
As you said, most of the movie is just Shinji. Most of the other characters only get a couple minutes with a handful of dialogue. I felt Kaworu was the worst offender since I was really looking forward to seeing more of him (one of the major highlights of the remake movies for me is Kaworu from start to finish). But as it turns out he didn't do very much and he looses most of his "otherworldly insight". I mean, in the other two movies it seemed like he knew everything that there was to know. But in this movie he couldn't see an obvious trap from a mile away. What's worse, once he DOES see whats going on he just kinda clams up and doesn't actively try to stop it.
I also kinda take issue with the information we are given in this movie. It's exceptionally blunt. Characters literally just tell Shinji flat out what's going on and why. It seems to me like these movies lack the subtlety of the original series. I understand that's why some people are enjoying the rebuild more than the original...but it's just a big turnoff in my book.
But, I think most of my complaints will be exclusive to this movie. This was kind of the "middle" of the series and the first movie where practically everything was different. I'm really hopeful that the fourth movie will correct many of the mistakes this movie made by giving us the insight and character interactions this movie lacked.


Yes I know what you mean! And I know! Why didn't Kaworu put more of an effort and stop Shinji?! Well we know from Kaworu:
But I can see why you were put off from it, I was too at first but after thinking about it (and watching it again), I can see why Hideki Anno might have went in this direction. I think when 4.0 comes around I think it'll be more similar to the anime series again.

Thanks for you input!
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UltraOtaku wrote:

I'm still really enjoying the rebuild but I have a lot of complaints about this movie. It felt rather sluggish to me. Also, a lot of stuff appears and then disappears without much insight.
As you said, most of the movie is just Shinji. Most of the other characters only get a couple minutes with a handful of dialogue. I felt Kaworu was the worst offender since I was really looking forward to seeing more of him (one of the major highlights of the remake movies for me is Kaworu from start to finish). But as it turns out he didn't do very much and he looses most of his "otherworldly insight". I mean, in the other two movies it seemed like he knew everything that there was to know. But in this movie he couldn't see an obvious trap from a mile away. What's worse, once he DOES see whats going on he just kinda clams up and doesn't actively try to stop it.
I also kinda take issue with the information we are given in this movie. It's exceptionally blunt. Characters literally just tell Shinji flat out what's going on and why. It seems to me like these movies lack the subtlety of the original series. I understand that's why some people are enjoying the rebuild more than the original...but it's just a big turnoff in my book.
But, I think most of my complaints will be exclusive to this movie. This was kind of the "middle" of the series and the first movie where practically everything was different. I'm really hopeful that the fourth movie will correct many of the mistakes this movie made by giving us the insight and character interactions this movie lacked.


Yes I know what you mean! And I know! Why didn't Kaworu put more of an effort and stop Shinji?! Well we know from Kaworu:
But I can see why you were put off from it, I was too at first but after thinking about it (and watching it again), I can see why Hideki Anno might have went in this direction. I think when 4.0 comes around I think it'll be more similar to the anime series again.

Thanks for you input! :D


It won't be similar, it'll be 100% new content. Ok.. 90%. Anyway, here's some replies from the other thread I posted.


Nioos wrote:

Let's just say it's far from what most would expect even for the reputation the Evangelion franchise has. But in my opinion, the entire plotline was a bit shaky since everything easily could have been resolved if:



Yeah that was a flaw. You'd think Misato would think of that. She probably did, but knowing her she wouldn't act on it. It'll probably all get better in the fourth installment though. Hopefully. I want a happy ShinjixAsuka pairing unlike in the TV series and EoE movie. No jacking off to your love interest's comatose body and no pushing any attempts at intimate connection away. I like the time skip in the third film in that it creates a lot more contrast and new understanding to the characters. When you peel all the surface identities though you see they haven't really changed at all.


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Actually, I'd disagree on the characters not changed at all. From 3.0, I'd say Asuka's more mature and actually seems to want to save everyone not for her selfish reasons, but for everyone's sake.


Well of course they changed, but their base characters still exist. Of course Asuka's more mature - she's had 14 more years to develop as an individual than Shinji has. In that though, she still has her reasons. She's still selfish, she just doesn't show it directly. Like when she confronts Shinji for the first time in 14 years, she slams her fist on a window letting her anger get the best of her. She avoids his questions with criticism and vague excuses. Later, she expresses to Mari her feelings about it, about Shinji, although not directly. This can also be seen through hints and other clues over the course of the movie and definitely at the end. As for Misato, she may be more aggressive than before, but she still runs away from her problems. She neglects to tell Shinji anything and threatens to kill him if he tries anything but when the time comes she hesitates both times. This can be viewed as a sign of guilt from what happened at the end of 2.0 or something similar. Maybe she is disheartened over the fact that she almost helped in starting Third Impact when she encouraged Shinji and is hiding from that fact. You have to read past the actions of the characters to get to their cores and deduce them.


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Honestly, I enjoyed Evangelion. I would buy it and watch it again. Definitely a great show, but I have a few problems with it. It's by no means perfect like some people seem to think. The still frames nearing the end of the series. The religious symbolism that was just crammed into the show to give it an "exotic" feel. The less than likable cast of characters. Shinji's revelation at the end that pretty much amounts to "I hate myself, but if I didn't hate myself I could be happy. THAT'S IT! I'm gonna stop hating myself." to me anyways. That's what I got out of it. The movie being a "f*ck you" to the fans, and Anno pretty much telling people that the show means what you can get out of it since I don't even think he can make sense out of it.

That being said, it's still a classic and one of the most influential series I can think of


The religious symbolism was mostly unintentional, it was put there to look cool. Budget constraints such as still frames and hiding character's mouths with things like coffee cups so they don't have to animate the lip flaps (that goes for the TV series also). Yeah, the movie was pretty much a big 'Fuck you' because of all the whining and death threats Anno had gotten regarding the TV series ending. Death and Rebirth isn't even worth mentioning, watching End of Evangelion gets you the same thing with more to it. If it was perfect, it wouldn't be as widely known as it is. Anyway, regardless of anything it is still a classic and very influential. For me, I would have to say I liked the characters, just for their more realistic personalities. I liked how damaged all of them were, no sunshine and rainbows here. The anime Gunbuster (also directed by Anno) has similarly conflicted characters, they are actually regarded as prototypes for some of the Eva characters. What I draw from Evangelion is that you should learn to accept yourself and who you are, that being hurt is a part of growing up, connections with others are necessary for development, amongst other things. But yeah, Anno basically says to interpret Eva as you want, whether he understands it fully himself hasn't been directly stated. Being the creator he does offer his own insight into it though. In contrast to the anime itself, the manga version illustrated and written by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (character designer for Evangelion) has a bit more likable versions of the characters among other things. For example, Shinji in the manga adaptation is much more violent (sometimes physically) and troubled than his anime counterpart as well as more of a smart-ass and cynical towards other characters like Asuka, who he isn't afraid to show hatred for and call an ungrateful bitch. He still views Rei in the same light, not in a romantic sense but more of a platonic sense. Asuka, in turn, is also different than her anime counterpart. Her origins are changed significantly and she is a bit tamer towards others but is slightly more physically violent and has a better relationship with Shinji as time goes on. With Rei, she responds to human contact more openly and comes off warmer than her anime counterpart; it is also strongly implied that she develops romantic feelings for Shinji and her desire to not be viewed as a doll makes her stand out more as an actual person.


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You're right, if it weren't for it's flaws the show wouldn't be nearly as talked about as it is. I really respect the show, which is why I'll buy it. I never bothered with Death and Rebirth, I heard it was pretty much a recap of the series. I might check out the Evangelion movies sooner or later, but I am pretty interested in the manga. So I'll be reading that once I catch up on the manga I just bought.


I view the manga, TV series (along with End Of Evangelion), and Rebuild of Evangelion all as separate incarnations of the same thing and as their own stories. I think you'll enjoy the Rebuild films, they're definitely action-packed and a breath of fresh air. I have hopes that the relationship between Shinji and Asuka won't end as badly as in the TV series, what with both of them drawing deeper into their own depressions and abandoning their self-worth. The Re-Take doujin is a nice rendering of their pairing, an overall happier one, after all is said and done that is. I think in all of them Shinji and Asuka have at least developed a mutual friendship with one another, if nothing else.


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Everything you knew about the characters personalities from the original TV series, manga, EoE, etc. scrap them. This is Rebuild, different altogether. Don't compare between them, it won't do any good. They never tell Shinji anything in the movie by the way. Will-E and everyone in it that is, not the remnants of NERV.


Yea, as we learned from 2.0, this is not a rehash of the series! But it's hard for me not to compare them to the series, lol >.<

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Well of course they changed, but their base characters still exist. Of course Asuka's more mature - she's had 14 more years to develop as an individual than Shinji has. In that though, she still has her reasons. She's still selfish, she just doesn't show it directly. Like when she confronts Shinji for the first time in 14 years, she slams her fist on a window letting her anger get the best of her. She avoids his questions with criticism and vague excuses. Later, she expresses to Mari her feelings about it, about Shinji, although not directly. This can also be seen through hints and other clues over the course of the movie and definitely at the end. As for Misato, she may be more aggressive than before, but she still runs away from her problems. She neglects to tell Shinji anything and threatens to kill him if he tries anything but when the time comes she hesitates both times. This can be viewed as a sign of guilt from what happened at the end of 2.0 or something similar. Maybe she is disheartened over the fact that she almost helped in starting Third Impact when she encouraged Shinji and is hiding from that fact. You have to read past the actions of the characters to get to their cores and deduce them.



I did notice a major difference in Asuka's personality. She's still her immature self but in a more grown up way? Lol, hard to explain but I saw that even though she's matured a lot, she's still immature too.


I'm so having a rebuild marathon when I have a day off, lol!
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Well of course they changed, but their base characters still exist. Of course Asuka's more mature - she's had 14 more years to develop as an individual than Shinji has. In that though, she still has her reasons. She's still selfish, she just doesn't show it directly. Like when she confronts Shinji for the first time in 14 years, she slams her fist on a window letting her anger get the best of her. She avoids his questions with criticism and vague excuses. Later, she expresses to Mari her feelings about it, about Shinji, although not directly. This can also be seen through hints and other clues over the course of the movie and definitely at the end. As for Misato, she may be more aggressive than before, but she still runs away from her problems. She neglects to tell Shinji anything and threatens to kill him if he tries anything but when the time comes she hesitates both times. This can be viewed as a sign of guilt from what happened at the end of 2.0 or something similar. Maybe she is disheartened over the fact that she almost helped in starting Third Impact when she encouraged Shinji and is hiding from that fact. You have to read past the actions of the characters to get to their cores and deduce them.



I did notice a major difference in Asuka's personality. She's still her immature self but in a more grown up way? Lol, hard to explain but I saw that even though she's matured a lot, she's still immature too.


I'm so having a rebuild marathon when I have a day off, lol!


The way I see it her romantic feelings for Shinji from 2.0 are still there, if they weren't the ending wouldn't have happened. For laughs I made this:

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Well of course they changed, but their base characters still exist. Of course Asuka's more mature - she's had 14 more years to develop as an individual than Shinji has. In that though, she still has her reasons. She's still selfish, she just doesn't show it directly. Like when she confronts Shinji for the first time in 14 years, she slams her fist on a window letting her anger get the best of her. She avoids his questions with criticism and vague excuses. Later, she expresses to Mari her feelings about it, about Shinji, although not directly. This can also be seen through hints and other clues over the course of the movie and definitely at the end. As for Misato, she may be more aggressive than before, but she still runs away from her problems. She neglects to tell Shinji anything and threatens to kill him if he tries anything but when the time comes she hesitates both times. This can be viewed as a sign of guilt from what happened at the end of 2.0 or something similar. Maybe she is disheartened over the fact that she almost helped in starting Third Impact when she encouraged Shinji and is hiding from that fact. You have to read past the actions of the characters to get to their cores and deduce them.



I did notice a major difference in Asuka's personality. She's still her immature self but in a more grown up way? Lol, hard to explain but I saw that even though she's matured a lot, she's still immature too.


I'm so having a rebuild marathon when I have a day off, lol!


The way I see it her romantic feelings for Shinji from 2.0 are still there, if they weren't the ending wouldn't have happened.


Exactly. She's had 14 years of all the romantic, guilt, and frustration feelings still in her.
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Exactly. She's had 14 years of all the romantic, guilt, and frustration feelings still in her.


Not to mention, she smashed a window before even saying anything to him first. Regarding the LCL aging drawbacks, it's believable and I like the idea of it, but I would still have liked to see a 28 year old version of Asuka and Mari. Maybe they'll release some concept art of it in the future as a bonus to fans. Maybe not.

Related but then again unrelated question: What's everyone's favorite character from Evangelion?

For me, I can't pick a favorite one. I like them all equally.
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Exactly. She's had 14 years of all the romantic, guilt, and frustration feelings still in her.


Not to mention, she smashed a window before even saying anything to him first. Regarding the LCL aging drawbacks, it's believable and I like the idea of it, but I would still have liked to see a 28 year old version of Asuka and Mari. Maybe they'll release some concept art of it in the future as a bonus to fans. Maybe not.

Related but then again unrelated question: What's everyone's favorite character from Evangelion?

For me, I can't pick a favorite one. I like them all equally.


It's hard to pick one for me...well i've always liked tsundere girls so Asuka I guess. I love her mean cocky i'm-better-than-you attitude! And I love her vulnerableness and her tragic side too. But I think I like everyone in evangelion so much, they are all unique and have a different place in my heart. But I think I just like Asuka a teeny bit more cause she reminds me of myself in so many ways.
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It's hard to pick one for me...well i've always liked tsundere girls so Asuka I guess. I love her mean cocky i'm-better-than-you attitude! And I love her vulnerableness and her tragic side too. But I think I like everyone in evangelion so much, they are all unique and have a different place in my heart. But I think I just like Asuka a teeny bit more cause she reminds me of myself in so many ways.


I view Asuka as one of the first tsundere characters. Different from all the others, she's her own brand of tsundere. The Anta Baka Tsundere.

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neeka-desu wrote:

It's hard to pick one for me...well i've always liked tsundere girls so Asuka I guess. I love her mean cocky i'm-better-than-you attitude! And I love her vulnerableness and her tragic side too. But I think I like everyone in evangelion so much, they are all unique and have a different place in my heart. But I think I just like Asuka a teeny bit more cause she reminds me of myself in so many ways.


I view Asuka as one of the first tsundere characters. Different from all the others, she's her own brand of tsundere. The Anta Baka Tsundere.



lol she probably www. I missed her saying "anta baka" in the movie. I mean she did kinda say it but not like how she normally does
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neeka-desu wrote:


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neeka-desu wrote:

It's hard to pick one for me...well i've always liked tsundere girls so Asuka I guess. I love her mean cocky i'm-better-than-you attitude! And I love her vulnerableness and her tragic side too. But I think I like everyone in evangelion so much, they are all unique and have a different place in my heart. But I think I just like Asuka a teeny bit more cause she reminds me of myself in so many ways.


I view Asuka as one of the first tsundere characters. Different from all the others, she's her own brand of tsundere. The Anta Baka Tsundere.



lol she probably www. I missed her saying "anta baka" in the movie. I mean she did kinda say it but not like how she normally does


I think she mostly says 'gaki' or 'warugaki', which means an immature person or a brat. Of course, she uses it to mean brat and that basically replaces all of her anta baka phrases in the movie except for a few. It shows that she's matured because she looks down on him as an immature child but still uses anta baka, showing how much she cares for him (in her own way) and that she still isn't quite that mature yet.
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neeka-desu wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:


neeka-desu wrote:

It's hard to pick one for me...well i've always liked tsundere girls so Asuka I guess. I love her mean cocky i'm-better-than-you attitude! And I love her vulnerableness and her tragic side too. But I think I like everyone in evangelion so much, they are all unique and have a different place in my heart. But I think I just like Asuka a teeny bit more cause she reminds me of myself in so many ways.


I view Asuka as one of the first tsundere characters. Different from all the others, she's her own brand of tsundere. The Anta Baka Tsundere.



lol she probably www. I missed her saying "anta baka" in the movie. I mean she did kinda say it but not like how she normally does


I think she mostly says 'gaki' or 'warugaki', which means an immature person or a brat. Of course, she uses it to mean brat and that basically replaces all of her anta baka phrases in the movie except for a few. It shows that she's matured because she looks down on him as an immature child but still uses anta baka, showing how much she cares for him (in her own way) and that she still isn't quite that mature yet.


Right. I noticed that too. Lol, which was why I was saying that she's matured but is still immature
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