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In the past I have heard many opinions about what kinds of media are and are not "Art". Some people say "Art" is anything created with intention to provoke a response (emotional or otherwise) in the viewer/listener. Some people only consider things like painting, sculpture, drawing, etc (traditional art) to be "Art". I fall somewhere in between, I don't believe in performance art, or some modern artist exhibiting a pile of garbage they found on the street. However I do believe that anime, graffiti, manga, and video games can rise to the level of "Art"

I'd like to know the opinions and reasoning of others

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Traditional art does provoke an emotional response from people, I don't know where you heard that from, but those people have an incorrect assumption about the meaning of art.
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I cannot agree with that. I for one have seen 600 year old Chinese ink painting that have touched my heart. Perhaps it may be more accurate for you to say "Traditional art does not provoke an emotional response from many people."?
When considering art I believe you also have to think about the time, audience, a cultural back ground.

What is your definition of Art?
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I cannot agree with that. I for one have seen 600 year old Chinese ink painting that have touched my heart. Perhaps it may be more accurate for you to say "Traditional art does not provoke an emotional response from many people."?
When considering art I believe you also have to think about the time, audience, a cultural back ground.

What is your definition of Art?


I think you misread my post, I said that traditional art DOES provoke an emotional response. I would say that art is just that, an attempt to provoke an emotional response.
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Sorry I totally did misread your post. My apologies.
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Artwork is required to create these genres. Not everyone will agree with something that is so low budget and sometimes tawdry being considered art. However, the effort put into anime and manga lends it some appeal. The otherness of these art forms attracts people seeking something very different from what they have been so used to seeing.

I consider anime and manga to be art. Illustrations are classified as art among so many other things and there is very real expression involved with the creation of the many illustrations to create anime and manga.
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Artwork is required to create these genres. Not everyone will agree with something that is so low budget and sometimes tawdry being considered art. However, the effort put into anime and manga lends it some appeal. The otherness of these art forms attracts people seeking something very different from what they have been so used to seeing.

I consider anime and manga to be art. Illustrations are classified as art among so many other things and there is very real expression involved with the creation of the many illustrations to create anime and manga.


The otherness of anime and manga. Interesting, I hadn't considered that as an appeal. I hate to ask but could you expand on that a bit it seems like a really interesting thought.

Would you say the otherness is contained in the themes and common situations found in anime and manga, or is it perhaps the visual appeal of the art itself?

For me, if I consider otherness as an attracting force, I would say the themes and common situations found in anime and manga are what attracted me to it. The stories were compelling, and for the first time in long time I found someone fictional, (two actually) I could admire and perhaps identify with.
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Howdy!

Just jumping in real quick...

I feel like a poll attached to a serious discussion does not mean that it -has- to be in the Polls section.

OP is actually trying to get good discourse going.

This is fine where it is.

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To me: Anime = animation = art. It is a craft in which people create and practice their art like baking or programming code. I just don't label everything as high-art.

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Posted 1/17/13 , edited 1/17/13

WildTyger wrote:


turborobo wrote:

Artwork is required to create these genres. Not everyone will agree with something that is so low budget and sometimes tawdry being considered art. However, the effort put into anime and manga lends it some appeal. The otherness of these art forms attracts people seeking something very different from what they have been so used to seeing.

I consider anime and manga to be art. Illustrations are classified as art among so many other things and there is very real expression involved with the creation of the many illustrations to create anime and manga.


The otherness of anime and manga. Interesting, I hadn't considered that as an appeal. I hate to ask but could you expand on that a bit it seems like a really interesting thought.

Would you say the otherness is contained in the themes and common situations found in anime and manga, or is it perhaps the visual appeal of the art itself?

For me, if I consider otherness as an attracting force, I would say the themes and common situations found in anime and manga are what attracted me to it. The stories were compelling, and for the first time in long time I found someone fictional, (two actually) I could admire and perhaps identify with.


I consider the otherness to be an alien appeal. When we seek something which is new to us and it resonates with us on a deep level. We find and comprehend a unique way to amuse people in these genres. The otherness in anime and manga is not only the foreign origin in so many ways we might consider, but the boundaries it doesn't have. The provocative nature of anime and manga give it an appeal we do not see anywhere else. I took a liking to anime and manga due to its intellectual sophistication and predominant strangeness. How it isn't like the typical cartooning we see coming from so many other sources intrigued me. It somehow transcends the ordinary concept of cartooning which is made more for the sake of posterity than to be anything truly adult. Anime and manga have at times shown what it is to make cartooning into something mature, and very much adult.

I've often learned something from anime and manga. Very deep philosophical themes are what pulled me into all of this. Some might call that silly, but their judgement is biased. It might be dismissed by some as merely pornography, though their inability (perhaps lack of time) to explore all of this further blinds them to what is, and will always be, a great art form.

The visual aspect is very much cartooning. We hear the question about why so many characters in anime and manga have big eyes. Well, all we have to do is look at Mikey Mouse and there is one quick answer. Why Mikey and Disney? The great Osamu Tezuka was an avid fan of Disney's films and the cartooning element of large eyes was observed with his work in Astro Boy. So, I conclude that anime and manga draw from the many original sources of cartooning.

The emotional aspect of anime an manga are another artistic foray I must mention. The intense feelings portrayed by characters in unconventional situations to cartooning are experienced by the audience and readers. It is a phenomenon no other form of illustration-based visual entertainment can really match or even convey.
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Posted 1/17/13
It depends on the work. All mediums contain artistic examples, but are mostly not.
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WildTyger wrote:

In the past I have heard many opinions about what kinds of media are and are not "Art". Some people say "Art" is anything created with intention to provoke a response (emotional or otherwise) in the viewer/listener. Some people only consider things like painting, sculpture, drawing, etc (traditional art) to be "Art". I fall somewhere in between, I don't believe in performance art, or some modern artist exhibiting a pile of garbage they found on the street. However I do believe that anime, graffiti, manga, and video games can rise to the level of "Art"

I'd like to know the opinions and reasoning of others

Full disclosure (I have worked as a professional photographer)



Art is, as it was, mimesis, that is, it imitates nature or an aspect of nature. That is to say, what is artistic is what copies some truth or another that the Author of the piece sees, and wises to communicate, and, as such, Grafitti, Graphic Novels, Manga, Cartoon, Video Games, Performance Art, Poetry, and Music all work to communicate some aspect of nature, and of truth.

Thus, such acts as Duchamp's LHOOQ, the Fountain, etc. are all art, because they show us a truth that he sees, even if that truth is, paradoxically, the nihilation of Art as Mimesis.
Posted 1/19/13
Depends on the work. You cannot call a manga/anime work an art if it's not significantly made.
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Yes it can be. For me it's certain pieces within the pieces of work. I.E. Ulquiorra's 1st release or certain scenes that are done just right.

Art is subjective to the individual, so ultimately it depends whether you enjoy it or not. Some work have far more detail put into them to have the right of being called art but then just as equally many anime and manga have scenes where it is not art, it does not live up to the standard you see in your eyes.
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WildTyger wrote:. Some people say "Art" is anything created with intention to provoke a response (emotional or otherwise) in the viewer/listener.


Those people are correct. All anime and manga can (and should) be considered art. That doesn't mean that all of it is *good* art.
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