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Black holes are confusing!
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Taedrin wrote: Shamelessly stolen from reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/f1lgu/what_would_happen_if_the_event_horizons_of_two/) Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide Imagine, just for a moment, that you are aboard a spaceship equipped with a magical engine capable of accelerating you to any arbitrarily high velocity. This is absolutely and utterly impossible, but it turns out it'll be okay, for reasons you'll see in a second. Because you know your engine can push you faster than the speed of light, you have no fear of black holes. In the interest of scientific curiosity, you allow yourself to fall through the event horizon of one. And not just any black hole, but rather a carefully chosen one, one sufficiently massive that its event horizon lies quite far from its center. This is so you'll have plenty of time between crossing the event horizon and approaching the region of insane gravitational gradient near the center to make your observations and escape again. As you fall toward the black hole, you notice some things which strike you as highly unusual, but because you know your general relativity they do not shock or frighten you. First, the stars behind you — that is, in the direction that points away from the black hole — grow much brighter. The light from those stars, falling in toward the black hole, is being blue-shifted by the gravitation; light that was formerly too dim to see, in the deep infrared, is boosted to the point of visibility. Simultaneously, the black patch of sky that is the event horizon seems to grow strangely. You know from basic geometry that, at this distance, the black hole should subtend about a half a degree of your view — it should, in other words, be about the same size as the full moon as seen from the surface of the Earth. Except it isn't. In fact, it fills half your view. Half of the sky, from notional horizon to notional horizon, is pure, empty blackness. And all the other stars, nearly the whole sky full of stars, are crowded into the hemisphere that lies behind you. As you continue to fall, the event horizon opens up beneath you, so you feel as if you're descending into a featureless black bowl. Meanwhile, the stars become more and more crowded into a circular region of sky centered on the point immediately aft. The event horizon does not obscure the stars; you can watch a star just at the edge of the event horizon for as long as you like and you'll never see it slip behind the black hole. Rather, the field of view through which you see the rest of the universe gets smaller and smaller, as if you're experiencing tunnel-vision. Finally, just before you're about to cross the event horizon, you see the entire rest of the observable universe contract to a single, brilliant point immediately behind you. If you train your telescope on that point, you'll see not only the light from all the stars and galaxies, but also a curious dim red glow. This is the cosmic microwave background, boosted to visibility by the intense gravitation of the black hole. And then the point goes out. All at once, as if God turned off the switch. You have crossed the event horizon of the black hole. Focusing on the task at hand, knowing that you have limited time before you must fire up your magical spaceship engine and escape the black hole, you turn to your observations. Except you don't see anything. No light is falling on any of your telescopes. The view out your windows is blacker than mere black; you are looking at non-existence. There is nothing to see, nothing to observe. You know that somewhere ahead of you lies the singularity … or at least, whatever the universe deems fit to exist at the point where our mathematics fails. But you have no way of observing it. Your mission is a failure. Disappointed, you decide to end your adventure. You attempt to turn your ship around, such that your magical engine is pointing toward the singularity and so you can thrust yourself away at whatever arbitrarily high velocity is necessary to escape the black hole's hellish gravitation. But you are thwarted. Your spaceship has sensitive instruments that are designed to detect the gradient of gravitation, so you can orient yourself. These instruments should point straight toward the singularity, allowing you to point your ship in the right direction to escape. Except the instruments are going haywire. They seem to indicate that the singularity lies all around you. In every direction, the gradient of gravitation increases. If you are to believe your instruments, you are at the point of lowest gravitation inside the event horizon, and every direction points "downhill" toward the center of the black hole. So any direction you thrust your spaceship will push you closer to the singularity and your death. This is clearly nonsense. You cannot believe what your instruments are telling you. It must be a malfunction. But it isn't. It's the absolute, literal truth. Inside the event horizon of a black hole, there is no way out. There are no directions of space that point away from the singularity. Due to the Lovecraftian curvature of spacetime within the event horizon, all the trajectories that would carry you away from the black hole now point into the past. In fact, this is the definition of the event horizon. It's the boundary separating points in space where there are trajectories that point away from the black hole from points in space where there are none. Your magical infinitely-accelerating engine is of no use to you … because you cannot find a direction in which to point it. And it is getting closer. As awesome as that is, it can never be done because as you approach the black hole you would get shredded by tidal forces, and then once you cross the event horizon you become a part of the singularity, at which state matter and energy violate the laws of thermodynamics. Even hypercondensates follow the laws of thermodynamics, as weird as they are.. A few days ago a story broke regarding a physics lab that used lasers to reach temperatures of negative Kelvins, which kind of like having your evil twin from Bizarro show up sporting an evil mustache. So freaking weird! Anyway, hopefully it will help explain what the hell dark matter really is, and the one question I want to ask should I ever meet God (Flying Spaghetti Monster, whatever) will become moot. |
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The same thing we do every night, Pinky...
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This topic is pretty confusing when you over think this out.
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Searching for a purpose in life @.@
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mhibicke wrote: moneygrip3030 wrote: Thank you!!! I will need those neurodegenerative disease fighting drugs when I'm older do to too much "college". As for the mood disorders I'm already screwed. You are welcome! Major depressive disorder is correlated with neurodegeneration, and antidepressants stimulate re-growth, so it's not surprising that neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's and other kinds of dementia are often comorbid with depression. Not that this has anything to do with black holes, I just like talking about it. Anyway, I am working on discovery of new drugs that bypass the serotoninergic pathways and hopefully result in fast-acting antidepressants/anxiolytics that don't screw up your libido or make you a shitty driver. I don't have depression, but I do think my serotonin and dopamine receptors are a little wonked out on account of all the mid 90's raving I did.... |
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We might of been born yesterday friends but we've been up all night....
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Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide BearSol wrote: Taurelion wrote: BearSol wrote: You really don't understand the concept of you proving me right while trying to prove me wrong. You can't comback from it. You obviously also don't understand "relative or proportionate dimensions" as a definition for the word size. Then explain what you mean by "relative or proportionate dimensions", and please do so without using made-up terms (such as "relative or proportionate dimensions", neither of which is an actual scientific term) like you have for your other posts. Are you referring to spatial dimensions? (i.e. length, width, height), because a singularity has none of those. Cambridge University disagrees with you, and as you deem NASA more of an expert than I, I will deem Cambridge University as more of an expert than you. Now, DIE TROLL! DIE! You've failed to either answer the question or actually provide a source yet again. 6:00 in - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpYARGo4Gzs If you still can't even understand that a singularity is defined as a single point taking up no space at all, I'm going to assume you're a troll, because it would be too depressing to think that you're actually that stupid. I'm done, either way, since you've proven yourself incapable of rational discussion. |
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If you get into one you would be compressed into nothing. It is just too much to understand. I remember I was studying this at school.
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Yahoo Hatsune Miku!!!
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Black hole is Uranus.
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Ahahah,
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No. He has probably done a course in general relativity and cosmology. Tensors are the maths that you learn when you do general relativity. As for light cones, you come across them when you study the evolution of the universe, which falls mostly under cosmology. So he is very far from a rocket scientist, who don't have much of anything to do with this subject matter lol. Anyway, I am not a specialist in this topic since my specialization is more towards spectroscopy of stars. I did take a course this year (3rd year in university) in cosmology and you really do need to do GR to be able to fully understand how black holes and in general spacetime works. Add to that some knowledge of special relativity, which leads to even more maths in matrix mechanics, etc. So yeah. Fortunately or unfortunately for the OP, your question to be answered in its entirety requires some pretty high level mathematics. But if you are interested, I would definitely recommend you take up the subject in whatever level you are at right now and develop yourself. |
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Beasting and feasting :)
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Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide Ihateyou1234 wrote: mipegg wrote: mhibicke wrote: Mipegg is correct and gave a succinct, accurate explanation. A black hole having no volume despite being massive sounds like a non sequitur because most people are accustomed to thinking of space as static rather than warpable. In actually, space-time is warped by speed and gravity (which is really just a force that can create velocity). Imagine a whirlpool created by draining a full bathtub. If you think of space-time like it is being drawn in towards a black hole like water is pulled toward the drain, then black holes seem a little less abstract. This visualization is not really accurate, but does give you an idea of how black holes warp space-time to the extent where they don't actually occupy it. Instead, space-time bends around a black hole similar to the way a whirlpool bends around the center of a drain. Also, when you compare a black hole to a whirlpool, all of a sudden wormholes (tunnels through space-time) seem pretty reasonable. Ofcourse I also did a bit of handwaving, the explanation of saying the gravitation tensor only becoming infinite in one place is not strictly true, if you have a rotational blackhole things become more tricky due to the quantisation of angular momentum and charge. It still doesnt give the blackhole any size it just presents some interpretation issues. The one I have never managed to explain properly is how time is linked into space, I'd imagine that I could just show people the 2+1 dimensional diagram of a light cone and they would get it, also lets you screw with their concept of the present too... Are you a fucking rocket scientist? Third year maths + theoretic physics, so nearly |
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7 exams, 21 hours worth to go
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Taurelion wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide BearSol wrote: Taurelion wrote: BearSol wrote: You really don't understand the concept of you proving me right while trying to prove me wrong. You can't comback from it. You obviously also don't understand "relative or proportionate dimensions" as a definition for the word size. Then explain what you mean by "relative or proportionate dimensions", and please do so without using made-up terms (such as "relative or proportionate dimensions", neither of which is an actual scientific term) like you have for your other posts. Are you referring to spatial dimensions? (i.e. length, width, height), because a singularity has none of those. Cambridge University disagrees with you, and as you deem NASA more of an expert than I, I will deem Cambridge University as more of an expert than you. Now, DIE TROLL! DIE! You've failed to either answer the question or actually provide a source yet again. 6:00 in - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpYARGo4Gzs If you still can't even understand that a singularity is defined as a single point taking up no space at all, I'm going to assume you're a troll, because it would be too depressing to think that you're actually that stupid. I'm done, either way, since you've proven yourself incapable of rational discussion. Just admit you failed, bro. You want me to provide a source? I did, I said Cambridge University. We were talking about the meaning(s) of size, yes? That was the latest attack of yours. That's the source, if you can't google Cambridge University dictionary, then I feel bad for you son. Also, try dictionary.reference.com it's also a great site for learnin werds n stuff for you intellectually challenged. I won't link it for ya, because you seem to need the practice of using the internets. As for my explanation of a black hole, you found a link for me from NASA that explained exactly what I said. Fail fail fail fail FAIL Give it up already, your troll fails. |
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Get a load of Karl Schwarzschield http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Schwarzschild
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404
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thar THAR dumbster
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Yeah people, just continue ignoring the theoretical physicist who explained precisely what a black hole is....
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Almost like the title makes you fucking god.
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Oh christ I'm so smart.
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