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Do you think that the anime industry is dying?
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Posted 1/20/13
As you can see, not at all. every year it's getting better and better.
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Nope, maybe on your side of the spectrum, but nope!
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Posted 1/20/13 , edited 1/20/13

FLjerry2011 wrote:


thepeaguy wrote:

It's dying because people are self-entitled pricks (usually American - that's where most of the Western fans are) who'd rather get it for free.

Sites like Netflix and CR are the perfect middle ground for me. I don't waste loads of cash on dvds for one.


I just disagree with your statement about Americans. I and a lot of the fans who in America pay for CR. There are probally more US fans that post comments on shows and or forums than any other country.Second probally more US fans than other countries on CR.I in fact have more than one paid anime sub.If wasnt for us Americans who do pay for licensing CR and a lot of Anime might not even make it out of Japan.let alone having TAN Funimation CR.I suppose no other country has people downloading anime legally.


Its more the way anime is licensed with the publishers and country's licensing.


There's a far bigger demographic of anime fans in the States than there are in Europe. Because of that younger Americans generally rationalise their self important elitism more so than the smaller demographic in European countries.

A common pattern of American fans is when they moan about a bleach chapter not being invigorating enough despite getting it for free online.
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Posted 1/20/13 , edited 1/20/13

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Carnagepool wrote:

It's not dying, but it sure does have a lot of High School animes and Pedophiles in them now and days, guess that's what passes as "edgy".

I for one would like to see any actual proof of this perception that their are more high school anime and "Pedophiles" now on average than in the past. Most people that are called on to do so will cite as examples anime that span many seasons and years, filtered by the lens of enduring popularity.

How about a less biased look at what was actually going on in the earlier years of this century?:
http://chartfag.wordpress.com/2000-2007-charts/



There's a lot more High School anime's then there were 10 years ago, you can not deny that,as for Pedo animes, yeah, they were there since the beginning, but it was never mean stream like it is now, and I won't go into the politics of the rise of pedophilia in Japan, and 2000 was my guess when this problem started (problem being pedo animes), good job thinking I didn't know what I was talking.
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"dying"? I guess the younger generation wasn't old enough to witness the Anime crash already. It already died and is on it's way back up from the depths. Heck Japan lost some huge companies along the way that had nothing to do with the American industry. BOTH sides of the pond have had to readjust their marketing strategies and their wasteful spending that the "boom" created. There was a LOT of crap that was shoved onto the masses during the boom that clogged the market with junk at premium prices. Once people decided they wanted to be discerning on what they bought the industry crashed. And crashed.. hard.. now having to reassess what they do from now on they are looking at their wallets and sees what pays the bills. Out of the handful of companies now that still exist in Japan all the hopes of the entire industry sits on their scrawny shoulders. It's going to take years to bring it back but it will never be the "boom" that it was. That said.. the US is now in the anime industry. Something that in the past when I was growing up was considered to be a pipe dream. So no I don't believe it's dying. The deathdate already past. It's now in the very slow resurrection time. The "dying" title is about 10 years too late
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Posted 1/20/13 , edited 1/20/13

Carnagepool wrote:
There's a lot more High School anime's then there were 10 years ago, you can not deny that,as for Pedo animes, yeah, they were there since the beginning, but it was never mean stream like it is now, and I won't go into the politics of the rise of pedophilia in Japan, and 2000 was my guess when this problem started (problem being pedo animes), good job thinking I didn't know what I was talking.

Did you bother looking at the charts for 2003 (10 years ago) or even earlier?

Unless you aren't listing your correct age, you were 2 years old 10 years ago, while I was 42. One of us actually remembers 10 years ago, one of us doesn't. To clarify that further, I remember these same comments about "too many school anime" from even back in those days.

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No, the anime industry is NOT dying. In fact, more anime was released in 2012 than ever before!
Here's a look at the past 6 years to take into account the Great Recession because that effected the world.
I also made a handy-dandy graph to show just how big of an impact the Recession had on anime.
HOWEVER, even during the Recession, more anime was released than any time in the 1990s!
Anime is back to the record-breaking release schedule that took place before the Recession.
So wipe the sweat from your brow Crunchyrollers, Anime is stronger than ever!

Wikipedia lists the anime released for 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2012_anime)

Anime for 2012 -- more anime than any time in history!
Anime TV shows = 141
Anime Films = 41
Anime OVAs = 35________________________________________
Total = 217 Anime released in 2012
29 more releases than the year before = a 13% increase in Anime

Anime for 2011 -- there was a Recession??
TV Shows = 117
Films = 37
OVAs = 34_____________________
Total = 188 anime released in 2011

Anime for 2010 -- the aftermath of the Recession
TV shows = 87
Films = 38
OVAs = 42_____________________
Total = 167 anime released in 2010

Anime for 2009 -- the Recession ended for the US
TV shows = 104
Film = 34
OVAs = 42_____________________
Total = 180 anime released in 2009

Anime for 2008 -- the Economy crashed
TV shows = 106
Films = 20
OVAs = 41_____________________
Total = 172 anime released in 2008

Anime for 2007 -- the Recession began in December 2007
TV shows = 123
Films = 37
OVAs = 50_____________________
Total = 210 anime released in 2007

Anime for 2006
TV shows = 151
Film = 31
OVAs = 30_____________________
Total = 212 anime released in 2006

Anime:
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Years: ... 2006 .... 2007 ... 2008 ... 2009 ... 2010 ... 2011 .... 2012
...........................| ~~~ Recession ~~~ |..........................................
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rebuild_eva01 wrote:

No, the anime industry is NOT dying. In fact, more anime was released in 2012 than ever before!
Here's a look at the past 6 years to take into account the Great Recession because that effected the world.
I also made a handy-dandy graph to show just how big of an impact the Recession had on anime.
HOWEVER, even during the Recession, more anime was released than any time in the 1990s!
Anime is back to the record-breaking release schedule that took place before the Recession.
So wipe the sweat from your brow Crunchyrollers, Anime is stronger than ever!

Wikipedia lists the anime released for 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2012_anime)

Anime for 2012 -- more anime than any time in history!
Anime TV shows = 141
Anime Films = 41
Anime OVAs = 35________________________________________
Total = 217 Anime released in 2012
29 more releases than the year before = a 13% increase in Anime

Anime for 2011 -- there was a Recession??
TV Shows = 117
Films = 37
OVAs = 34_____________________
Total = 188 anime released in 2011

Anime for 2010 -- the aftermath of the Recession
TV shows = 87
Films = 38
OVAs = 42_____________________
Total = 167 anime released in 2010

Anime for 2009 -- the Recession ended for the US
TV shows = 104
Film = 34
OVAs = 42_____________________
Total = 180 anime released in 2009

Anime for 2008 -- the Economy crashed
TV shows = 106
Films = 20
OVAs = 41_____________________
Total = 172 anime released in 2008

Anime for 2007 -- the Recession began in December 2007
TV shows = 123
Films = 37
OVAs = 50_____________________
Total = 210 anime released in 2007

Anime for 2006
TV shows = 151
Film = 31
OVAs = 30_____________________
Total = 212 anime released in 2006

Anime:
220 |..........:............:............:...........:...........:...........:............:..........
215 |..........:............:............:...........:...........:...........:...........O..........
210 |.........O.-.-.-.-.O.............:...........:...........:...........:......../...:...........
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Years: ... 2006 .... 2007 ... 2008 ... 2009 ... 2010 ... 2011 .... 2012
...........................| ~~~ Recession ~~~ |..........................................


This post just kinda answers the thread.Glad you took into account the recession.
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Posted 1/20/13

aidenraine wrote:


uhohimdead wrote:

it's dying in terms of creativity. otherwise no it's going on strong


I wouldn't really say that. there are a lot of good anime, they're just not talked about because they're not really that popular.


When anime first started getting there was silly anime back then.Just think you have a lot of anime to pick from old and new.And some anime is actually as good or better than the old animes.Depends on your genre tastes.
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We just need more real anime supported, not just the shiny fan service..
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FLjerry2011 wrote:


rebuild_eva01 wrote:

No, the anime industry is NOT dying. In fact, more anime was released in 2012 than ever before!
Here's a look at the past 6 years to take into account the Great Recession because that effected the world.
I also made a handy-dandy graph to show just how big of an impact the Recession had on anime.
HOWEVER, even during the Recession, more anime was released than any time in the 1990s!
Anime is back to the record-breaking release schedule that took place before the Recession.
So wipe the sweat from your brow Crunchyrollers, Anime is stronger than ever!

Wikipedia lists the anime released for 2012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2012_anime)

Anime for 2012 -- more anime than any time in history!
Anime TV shows = 141
Anime Films = 41
Anime OVAs = 35________________________________________
Total = 217 Anime released in 2012
29 more releases than the year before = a 13% increase in Anime

Anime for 2011 -- there was a Recession??
TV Shows = 117
Films = 37
OVAs = 34_____________________
Total = 188 anime released in 2011

Anime for 2010 -- the aftermath of the Recession
TV shows = 87
Films = 38
OVAs = 42_____________________
Total = 167 anime released in 2010

Anime for 2009 -- the Recession ended for the US
TV shows = 104
Film = 34
OVAs = 42_____________________
Total = 180 anime released in 2009

Anime for 2008 -- the Economy crashed
TV shows = 106
Films = 20
OVAs = 41_____________________
Total = 172 anime released in 2008

Anime for 2007 -- the Recession began in December 2007
TV shows = 123
Films = 37
OVAs = 50_____________________
Total = 210 anime released in 2007

Anime for 2006
TV shows = 151
Film = 31
OVAs = 30_____________________
Total = 212 anime released in 2006

Anime:
220 |..........:............:............:...........:...........:...........:............:..........
215 |..........:............:............:...........:...........:...........:...........O..........
210 |.........O.-.-.-.-.O.............:...........:...........:...........:......../...:...........
200 |..........:............:..\.........:...........:...........:...........:.../........:...........
190 |..........:............:....\.......:...........:...........:..........O...........:...........
185 |..........:............:......\.....:...........:...........:......../..:............:...........
180 |..........:............:.......\....:..........O..........:....../....:............:...........
175 |..........:............:.........\..:...../.....:...\.......:..../......:............:...........
170 |..........:............:...........O..........:.......\...:../........:............:...........
165 |..........:............:............:...........:..........O..........:............:...........
Years: ... 2006 .... 2007 ... 2008 ... 2009 ... 2010 ... 2011 .... 2012
...........................| ~~~ Recession ~~~ |..........................................


This post just kinda answers the thread.Glad you took into account the recession.


Thanks! It took a little while to gather and arrange all the data. I was surprised how much the Recession impacted the anime community. Even though the amount released during the Recession was still higher than any time in the 90's, I thought the sudden drop in releases when the Recession hit was interesting.

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I know a few of my friends who I got into CR and now that they released CR on 360, he got a sub. the same day. It's good to have someone to swap back and forth about shows though. I hope the anime industry thrives... I would hate to see it die out. I try to support it in every way I can. Honestly, I will pay for good quality anime. I will not, however, pay for half-assed Hollywood movie sequels or remakes (seriously, I watched a movie last month, 3 movies in the previews were on the FIFTH sequel).

So long live anime.
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Personally, I agree a bit with the video. Specifically about anime in the west dying. With all the companies going under, and many people who can't even wait for official subs or even complain official subs aren't good enough and refusing to support the industry, I can agree that the anime industry in the west is declining.
But I really don't think anime would die out without the western industry. Heck, as previous posts have shown, anime's been coming out even more frequently. I don't even agree with the idea that anime's become less creative or anything. But, it would still be very sad to see the western industry go and I'd like to avoid seeing it go under.
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The downloader moochers are annoying but... what can you do about them? I have tried convincing them and it only leads to frustration.

This is NOT a spectator sport however. You can make a difference. Legal streaming either subscribed or with ad support. Buy the manga and discs and figures and things from series you enjoy, either from local companies or import them.

I support the import industry as I got frustrated by the long waits for poor translations years ago but as I cannot get legal streaming of much from Japan, 85% Crunchyroll, 10% Funimation and 5% Anime network/demand/whatevertheycallthemselves are what I use until I decide what to buy.

From sales figures it doesn't look like 2012 is as big on hits as 2011 but perhaps the overall numbers are higher.
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Posted 1/21/13 , edited 1/21/13

rebuild_eva01 wrote:Statistics.


It's interesting to see that indeed, and I for one don't see anime dying any time soon but the data does leave me with one big question.
How many of those titles were actually licensed and released in one form or another outside of Japan?
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