SAO "Nervegear" a Lucid Dreaming Device?
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Okay okay, now I need to explain myself.... I believe the Virtual Reality Headset known as the "NerveGear" is actually a Lucid Dreaming device. Kirito, and others, are always shown laying in bed with the headset on, that is connected with the computer; whether it be through a cord like the original Nervegear or wireless like the newer version.

There are some social-dreaming researchers (mainly Daniel Oldis) that are using something called a Zeo Headband in their experiments. (both people in the explanation are wearing headbands) It signals one person to become lucid through a light "cue" and then the lucid dreamer does 2 left eye movements that sends a signal to another dreamer that is connected to the same system and they receive a light cue for them to become lucid. So in a way they became connected through the internet while being in their lucid dreams.

They aren't exactly connected connected yet, but this is a huge advancement nonetheless. All that's missing is for them to be able to synchronize their lucid dreams together BUT at least we know something is possible.

If you do not understand what lucid dreaming is then I highly suggest Googling it and even try to test it out, It's like a dream, well it is a dream.... BUT you have complete control over it and the reality in a lucid dream is even more vivid, all 5 sense enhanced, than it is in real life.



~Copy and pasted an article to explain this zeo headband idea, it's semi-long but all of the details are important~

Here’s how Oldis’ social-dreaming experiments work.

~"Two people in different parts of the world go to sleep wearing a EEG device like the Zeo, a sleep-monitoring gadget that wraps around the head. The device is modified to send brainwave data to an open-source computer program Oldis has developed, which is connected to the website, sleepstreamonline.com. (There are a few gadgets like the NovaDreamer that can also nudge people into lucid dreams with a light or sound cue, but Oldis prefers using EEG devices for more accurate brainwave readings and the potential online connection.)

Each sleeper also has a colored light bulb in their room. This is their “cue.” When the program detects that both people are in REM sleep, meaning they are most likely dreaming, it sends one of them the cue, turning on a red or green bulb in their room. Sometimes they’ll ignore it, or wake up, but sometimes they will incorporate the light into their dream — in the same way you might dream about a loud ambulance siren when your alarm clock has just gone off.

If the first sleeper can remember why the light has suddenly appeared in their dream, they’ll become lucid. Now they can signal back to the “awake” world with a unique physical gesture, such as looking twice to the left.

Eye movement is one of the few things that we do in both our dreams and with our bodies, hence the term Rapid Eye Movement, or REM sleep. Though our eyes are typically moving every-which way at this point in sleep, usually a deliberate left-left movement could be picked up by an EEG device, which might also pick up a rise in the brain’s Delta waves. Slight finger movements can work too.

“If I make a fist in a dream, the corporeal fingers actually move together slightly,” says Oldis, who is currently tinkering on a glove that detects tiny hand signals from someone who is dreaming.

Once the Zeo headband captures that unique eye signal, and transmits it via sleepstreamonline.com to the second dreamer, it will turn on a colored light where the other dreamer is, to send them a cue too. This essentially means that one person having a lucid dream has “pinged” (or Facebook-style poked) another dreaming person, and hopefully caused them to become lucidly aware of the first person in their dream.

Doing this successfully is not easy, and requires practice.

In one experiment, Oldis and another colleague named Marjorie Kaye had both entered REM sleep, when the program turned on the red light bulb cue for Oldis. In his dream, he saw a light flare while standing on a cruise ship. Realizing he was dreaming, Oldis sent his “left-left” signal, which was picked up by the Zeo and transmitted to Kaye, by turning on a similar light in her room. What she then saw in her dream was a glowing “Exit” sign in a theater. Before she could signal back with a deliberate eye movement, however, Kaye woke up.

“She wasn’t able to call back,” said Sean Oliver, a filmmaker who has taken part in Oldis’ research, and who presented his and Oldis’ findings at a conference for the International Association for the Study of Dreams in Berkley, Calif., in June 2012. “She heard the phone ringing and she wasn’t able to pick it up… One dreamer said ‘Hello,’ and her dream said ‘Goodbye.’”

The researchers have also tried racing against each other to make the “left-left” eye signal first, after being simultaneously cued with a light bulb. The experiment then becomes more like a game.

“Dreamers can communicate over the Internet,” Oliver said. “That’s not even a question. [But] lucid cues tend to be more effective when a social message is involved.” It also opens the question of dreams as a purely internal world, he added. “What does that mean when your friend starts controlling the light switch or making a noise?”

Oldis and Oliver are keen to see advancements in technology that will allow dreams to become more social. Some smartphone apps like SleepCycle and DreamOn, along with the wristband product Lark and mask REM Dreamer or DreamStar can be used to detect REM sleep, with some even sending data to a common website. But Oldis says this is just half the story. “For inter-dream communication or synched lucid dreaming, you generally need a way to signal from the dream, with eye movements, or signal into a dream with lights. Any device for social dreaming adventures would need to be able to accommodate this also.”

“Technology is almost there,” said Oliver. “It just needs to be in one unit. What we really need is just one mask. One mask that has lights, eye reader and bluetooth that can get to your phone or your computer.”

Oliver points to research showing that video gamers are more likely to be better lucid dreamers, and sees an opportunity for a future form of social media that employes a growing use of brain-reading gadgets like the Zeo, Muse and others. He envisions people setting up “dream appointments” online, playing dream games and engaging in shared dreaming.

“If you had a green light for one friend, blue for another and yellow for another, you could cycle through them with your glove, send a signal with your eyes and choose who you’re going to say ‘hello’ to,” said Oliver. “The goal is to get more people involved, to improve the social aspect, so there’s more data. It’s one of the few things that everybody does, you eat, you drink, you procreate, and you dream.”"~
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Going to post some comments I posted in a previous thread so I can put all of my ideas in one place :3
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"Everyone keeps talking about all of these implants, modding the brain and neurological processes and such but isn't the solution in our consciousness? Not sure if you all have ever heard about Lucid Dreaming but if you go deep into it then you can experience sight, touch, smell, taste and sound, sometimes it can be even more vivid than "real life". (People who go into deep meditation (and who are extremely experienced) can also go into this Lucid-like state of being... can also be called the Astral Realm or Astral Plane (which has been scientifically proven in a way but some people don't want to accept it, sort of like how people used to think the Earth was the center of the galaxy or how people thought the Earth was flat))

Every experience .... well that you experience (:P) are only signals that your brain picks up on, so in a way they are real but also not real, if that makes sense? What if we had something like the NerveGear that sent signals into our brain that connected with our dreamlike state or even directly to our consciousness? So the "NerveGear" signals could fuse with our natural bodily signals to trick our minds into being in a "virtual world" in which the NerveGear will supply the information. This way everything is done through the brain naturally and we don't have to mod our body. Of course we might have to worry about sleep walking. :')

Soooooooooo this is kind of hard to explain;
Brain in dreamlike state: controls the realness of the reality, puts everything together
"NerveGear": supplies the brain the information that it wants the player to experience, sets up environment, NPCs, etc."
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"-How the Headgear might work-
What if the back of the headgear sent a signal to the brain, which in a way could be a frame, then the information of the brain and the "NerveGear" technology combined signal could be sent to the front of the headgear which would then cycle back to the back of the headgear and start all over again for the next frame? So this could happen at a rapid pace to not only combine the consciousness (or unconsciousness?) with the "NerveGear" but to also in a way create a FPS (Frames-Per-Second) flow. So normally a good FPS is 60, so your brain and the headgear will send signals through a cycle probaaaaaably 60 FPS. Though once the information gets sent to the brain will it mix there then send to the front of the headgear? What in the brain would send the signal off? I personally think it should just flow through the brain rapidly but would this be good enough for everything to intermingle into a perfect harmony?

-Safety and Efficiency-
Hackers like Anonymous, big corporations, governments, dictators, etc. could easily influence what gets sent to our brains so I doubt society would be open soon for us to use such technology. Religious people would most likely find a reason to be scared or offended and conspiracy theorists would invent every fear mongering idea possible. Unless the Virtual Realities were 1215456465456416% proven to be safe then it would never be open to the public. UNLESS we assign people to strictly only guard the Virtual Reality worlds, which could be impossible. Arguments could go on forever about this so i'll leave this for you to think about.

-Lifestyle-
I believe we could use the Virtual Reality worlds to have meet ups and such for say; kids going to class with other "players", companies having meetings, vacations, etc. People could easily meet others while at the comfort of their own homes, VR could replace the webcam. Of course I bet vacations and such would have a fee to make them more secure? There is also the debate that VR could make real life lose its appeal (which to me happened since I was born XD).

-Harmful-
Of course there will be people who will be over addicted to VR and may never log off but I don't see this as an issue if we stress that every headgear could automatically log someone off after so many hours, or the headgear, since it communicates with the brain, to analyze the health/status of the wearer so it can know when the person needs to get off. Also we still need exercise...

-Issues-
Could we control if we can feel pain or not while in the VR world?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand finally who knows if we are actually in a Virtual Reality right now? Maybe we are just an NPC to someone else experiencing this Virtual Reality world."
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Oooooo just thought of something else, there is also the concern for Comfort.

I'm pretty sure a huge helmet-like-thing isn't going to be comfortable for long hours of use. A mask would be more realistic? (Like a face mask that people sleep in to block out light) But then it would require even more advanced technology to make everything so compact.
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Here's a YouTube Link of a guy explaining the linked Lucid Dreaming idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M1jUENG12Uc
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Every experience .... well that you experience (:P) are only signals that your brain picks up on, so in a way they are real but also not real, if that makes sense? What if we had something like the NerveGear that sent signals into our brain that connected with our dreamlike state or even directly to our consciousness? So the "NerveGear" signals could fuse with our natural bodily signals to trick our minds into being in a "virtual world" in which the NerveGear will supply the information. This way everything is done through the brain naturally and we don't have to mod our body. Of course we might have to worry about sleep walking. :')


The issue with Lucid Dreaming and Meditation is they both require for the most part an extraordinary amount of training to achieve unless you are one of the lucky few that it comes naturally to.

Thus in order to achieve a state like you want, then we would need to reverse engineer the electrical signals going on inside our heads, and catalog all of it. As far as I am aware, the leader of this field is Sheila Nirenberg who is trying to develop a Bionic eye that will cure blindness. She is working on reverse engineering how the mind understands the signals. If we can do this and duplicate 20/20 vision, then we can then take the same electrical engineering techniques and start learning how our brains understands the rest of our senses. Here is a TED Talk from her on this.

http://www.ted.com/talks/sheila_nirenberg_a_prosthetic_eye_to_treat_blindness.html

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