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Post Reply Monarchy, should we have a king?
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Monarchy leads to Dictatorship or Totalitarian government.


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so after reading today's news about the queen of the Netherlands finally deciding on handing over the throne to her son, some questions came to mind.
we know that the monarchy lost its power for over 200 years already, even though they are still a powerful national symbol, they can't for example deploy the army at will.
but let's say for X reason the monarchs decided to take the power back, what do u think would it take to happen?[/b]
the people's support? support from the army? a crisis where no political figure is reliable?

the reason i posted this question here is because, like me, a lot of u guys may have seen tons of anime series where you have a clear monarchy or where u can recognize a single figure of power. For example :code geass, guilty crown (i just watched guilty crown xD) and they kind a gave me a view of how a modern society would look like reigned by 1 single person. also because i'm a strong believer that people would have more trust in a single figure and it would be more effective than to have countless politicians who never agree with each other and always blame each other for failures made by the government . not that i hate politics, i love politics and i get so lost in it sometimes.
anyhow, let me know ur thoughts and ideas i would love to have a discussion.....


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I volunteer. King, dictator, evil overlord, whatever. As long as it's me. If it's not me, then we better not try.
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We had a king, we kicked him out. There's a reason we don't have a monarchy now.
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Why Monarchy in the Netherlands has worked for the last 200 years and will keep working for as long as people put their trust in it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_Netherlands

I recommend you scroll down and read up on Article 42 and ask yourself if you can still say we are living under the crutch of a so called dictatorship.
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what the hell are we respecting interconnecting eugenics bloodlines for?
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We don't need any form of government if everybody could learn to trust each other.
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Posted 1/29/13

AruarianDance wrote:

what the hell are we respecting interconnecting eugenics bloodlines for?





lordseth23 wrote:

We don't need any form of government if everybody could learn to trust each other.


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You should take a look at how much technology and standards of living have improved since democracy or governments enacting democratic ideas. Even last century, democratic nations advanced a lot more, East vs. West Germany, USA vs. Soviet Union, Japan vs. China (PRC).

Now it's usually not democracy itself that causes the better standards of living. It's the economic freedoms that democracy usually gives that helps out with improving standards of living. China has done a lot better since they've given more economic freedom to their people or people that invest in China. A government that tries to run the lives of a whole nation, usually fails (maybe it could work on a really small scale).

But the answer the original question, what would it take for the monarch to get power back. Economic failure usually helps lead to a change in government. Most of the famous dictators from last century came into power when there was some sort of economic failure in their country. People get desperate when their standard of living gets worse from a worsened economy, and they're turn to more extreme measures to hope their problems get fixed.

Another possible way is if the majority of people like safety more than freedom to the point where they may be willing to sacrifice mostly all their freedoms to feel as safe as possible. A monarch could possibly advocate and achieve that, but I could only see that more in the future where people do not value freedom as much, or have taken freedom for granted.
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Why Monarchy in the Netherlands has worked for the last 200 years and will keep working for as long as people put their trust in it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_Netherlands

I recommend you scroll down and read up on Article 42 and ask yourself if you can still say we are living under the crutch of a so called dictatorship.


i'm talking about a monarchy with power, if they queen was to defy the parliament (eerste of tweede kamer), it would be an uproar about people saying its anarchy and she only wants dictatorship.... the current queen doesnt have the power that i'm referring, she is more of a national treasure or more like a living representation of the nation, a symbol
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The king of Norway is completely useless. The only thing he does is stand on his balcony on the national day and wave. Apart from that he is hardly seen.
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Another possible way is if the majority of people like safety more than freedom to the point where they may be willing to sacrifice mostly all their freedoms to feel as safe as possible. A monarch could possibly advocate and achieve that, but I could only see that more in the future where people do not value freedom as much, or have taken freedom for granted.


u kind a remind me of the social structure that the anime psycho:pass has
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The king of Norway is completely useless. The only thing he does is stand on his balcony on the national day and wave. Apart from that he is hardly seen.


Are you sure he's useless? How can you be sure he is useless if he is hardly seen doing his job. Hmm? Ask that question.

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Kikusui10 wrote:

The king of Norway is completely useless. The only thing he does is stand on his balcony on the national day and wave. Apart from that he is hardly seen.


Are you sure he's useless? How can you be sure he is useless if he is hardly seen doing his job. Hmm? Ask that question.



Well unless he runs an agency underground training up super soldiers, i highly doubt it. Far as i know he hardly attend any meetings, he is mostly just a symbol for our country.
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