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On a side note, if suddenly zionists received a message from their skydaddy claiming Texas was a new holy land, and people in Texas would have to leave with no right of return, I would be betting the good people of Texas may shove a rocket or two up their zionist behinds.

For those screaming anti Semite and the like, found a short list of Semites: Ahlamu, Akkadian (Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite/Phoenician/Carthaginian, Chaldean, Eblaite, Edomite, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic. So when Arab Christians and Arab Muslims fight Jews, it is Semite on Semite violence actually.
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On a side note, if suddenly zionists received a message from their skydaddy claiming Texas was a new holy land, and people in Texas would have to leave with no right of return, I would be betting the good people of Texas may shove a rocket or two up their zionist behinds.

For those screaming anti Semite and the like, found a short list of Semites: Ahlamu, Akkadian (Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite/Phoenician/Carthaginian, Chaldean, Eblaite, Edomite, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic. So when Arab Christians and Arab Muslims fight Jews, it is Semite on Semite violence actually.


The view that the most ignorant people gather in forms is usually vindicated by a quick browse and perusal in any site and on any thread- take this marvellous example of stupidity: two things immediately strikes you, first, that Zionism is based on a religious claim (which may well be the case for some form of Zionism), but the concept of the Israeli nation stems not from the Bible, but from a UN mandate. If God (his 'skydaddy') came down and told the Jews that their land was Texas, I have no doubt that the 'good people of Texas', also hearing this message, would bow down to his claim, rather then fire rockets at the Jews, seeing as Mr 'Skydaddy' is a rather respected authority in those area.

As for the claim that the claim you are not an Anti-Semite because you hate a specific Semitic group- the Jews- you are using the word incorrectly. Semite only refers to a particular language family and the people that speak it, so, in that broad category, you are justified in including those people. On the other hand, Anti-Semite has a specific meaning, and refers specifically to the hatred of Jews, as a religion, ethnic group, and as a race. So, when an Arab shoots a Jew for reason of his being a Jew, then that is Anti-Semitic. When a Jew shoots an Arab, however, because he is an Arab, he is guilty of being Anti-Arab.
Posted 3/7/13

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sophie-ann wrote:

On a side note, if suddenly zionists received a message from their skydaddy claiming Texas was a new holy land, and people in Texas would have to leave with no right of return, I would be betting the good people of Texas may shove a rocket or two up their zionist behinds.

For those screaming anti Semite and the like, found a short list of Semites: Ahlamu, Akkadian (Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite/Phoenician/Carthaginian, Chaldean, Eblaite, Edomite, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic. So when Arab Christians and Arab Muslims fight Jews, it is Semite on Semite violence actually.


The view that the most ignorant people gather in forms is usually vindicated by a quick browse and perusal in any site and on any thread- take this marvellous example of stupidity: two things immediately strikes you, first, that Zionism is based on a religious claim (which may well be the case for some form of Zionism), but the concept of the Israeli nation stems not from the Bible, but from a UN mandate. If God (his 'skydaddy') came down and told the Jews that their land was Texas, I have no doubt that the 'good people of Texas', also hearing this message, would bow down to his claim, rather then fire rockets at the Jews, seeing as Mr 'Skydaddy' is a rather respected authority in those area.

As for the claim that the claim you are not an Anti-Semite because you hate a specific Semitic group- the Jews- you are using the word incorrectly. Semite only refers to a particular language family and the people that speak it, so, in that broad category, you are justified in including those people. On the other hand, Anti-Semite has a specific meaning, and refers specifically to the hatred of Jews, as a religion, ethnic group, and as a race. So, when an Arab shoots a Jew for reason of his being a Jew, then that is Anti-Semitic. When a Jew shoots an Arab, however, because he is an Arab, he is guilty of being Anti-Arab.


is your sick zionist self still advocating genocide?
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is your sick zionist self still advocating genocide?


Still advocating for the murder of Jews, are ye?
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AruarianDance wrote:


is your sick zionist self still advocating genocide?


Still advocating for the murder of Jews, are ye?


I support a peaceful solution whereby Palestine has the right to exist. You can't claim defence when you invade and try to throw a country and it's people off the map.
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Zionism is fundamentally racist and nationalist, it doesn't allow for peaceful solutions. they want it all.
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I support a peaceful solution whereby Palestine has the right to exist. You can't claim defence when you invade and try to throw a country and it's people off the map.


So, it is wrong for Israel to defend themselves, because that is agression, but when a Palestinian shoots at random Israeli citizens or send off some of their lads strapped in explosive, and openly declare that their purpose is to 'eliminate the Jews', that is perfectly alright self-defense. Quite brilliant, there, lad.
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Zionism is fundamentally racist and nationalist, it doesn't allow for peaceful solutions. they want it all.


Anti-Zionism is fundamentally anti-semetic, and would not rest until there is no such nation as Israel.
Posted 3/8/13
I never condoned such acts. Why does someone have to be on the extreme of either side? Millions of Palestinians are refugees in their own homeland. People don't like there lands being occupied, call it blowback of colonialism. Zionism is evil and contradictory.
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I never condoned such acts.


You condone Palestinian terrorism just as much as I condone 'Evil Zionist Genocide', the difference is, whereas one is fiction and the other is actual.


Why does someone have to be on the extreme of either side?


Don't know, why are you an extremist?


Millions of Palestinians are refugees in their own homeland. People don't like there lands being occupied, call it blowback of colonialism. Zionism is evil and contradictory.


See, they can't argue with reason, so they, invariably, resort to the pathetic. They are not having their land occupied, because it was never their land. It is not colonialism, the Jews have been there for generations, and, indeed, Israel existed before a nation called Palestine was created. Zionists have been moving in since the Ottoman Empire, through the British Mandate, and finally declare themselves an independent nation. Their claim to nationhood is duly recognised by the United Nations. The Israeli government has no jurisdiction over the Palestinians, colonialism involves another nation ruling over them. Thus, Anti-Zionism is so wholly illogical and out of the way from Reason that those the only argument they can muster is one founded upon silly and trifling emotions and sentimentalities.
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AruarianDance wrote:

I never condoned such acts.


You condone Palestinian terrorism just as much as I condone 'Evil Zionist Genocide', the difference is, whereas one is fiction and the other is actual.


Why does someone have to be on the extreme of either side?


Don't know, why are you an extremist?


Millions of Palestinians are refugees in their own homeland. People don't like there lands being occupied, call it blowback of colonialism. Zionism is evil and contradictory.


See, they can't argue with reason, so they, invariably, resort to the pathetic. They are not having their land occupied, because it was never their land. It is not colonialism, the Jews have been there for generations, and, indeed, Israel existed before a nation called Palestine was created. Zionists have been moving in since the Ottoman Empire, through the British Mandate, and finally declare themselves an independent nation. Their claim to nationhood is duly recognised by the United Nations. The Israeli government has no jurisdiction over the Palestinians, colonialism involves another nation ruling over them. Thus, Anti-Zionism is so wholly illogical and out of the way from Reason that those the only argument they can muster is one founded upon silly and trifling emotions and sentimentalities.


How do I condone terrorism of any kind when I just said the only solution to the conflict is a peaceful agreement without rocket fire, torture, pillaging and blocking off surrounding borders?

you keep referring to emotions as if they're to be put aside when children of both fucking countries die. this isn't about choosing sides it's about finding the most viable solution that will work for both entities who can settle on land in peace, how many times have Israel broken ceasefire, tried to rig elections, blocked borders illegally, built an apartheid wall fencing millions inside of it, denied them access to decent healthcare and education since they target infrastructure that weakens the enemy .

I'm sure thousands of years ago countries were different and land was split differently, how does it make sense that after so long you establish a movement that tries to eradicate a country to settle there? does this justify the aims of zionism?



was she responsible for the death of any jews?
Posted 3/8/13
I don't think your mind functions properly. fuck war and fuck an ongoing circle of repeated violence and savage acts on another human being for land. It will never end and the casualties are innocent people, children born on to the wrong land.
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How do I condone terrorism of any kind when I just said the only solution to the conflict is a peaceful agreement without rocket fire, torture, pillaging and blocking off surrounding borders?


You have no understanding of the conflict do you?

It is as plain as daylight that your own possible solution is the one which both side have been persuing for several decades now, and it has not only failed, but failed miserably everytime. In fact, this last one was broken when HAMAS and the Palestinians went off to bomb Israel- the villian genociders here.




you keep referring to emotions as if they're to be put aside when children of both fucking countries die.


Naive.

You defend your overt use of sentimentalities and overtly moralistic judgment when speaking of this affair by reminding us that children are involved. First, there are children who are killed off in their battles- we are suppose to weep and say, 'Oh God, the Children, the Children, think of the poor Children.', as if that constitute an argument. So, children die, so do men, and women, do you mean to tell me that a child's life is worth more than the life of a teenager, an housewife, or a hoary-head grandfather? Or that so long as no child is involved we should be just dandy about them shooting at each other? Miamed children are great to exploit, it doesn't bring us closer to any solution, it does not provide any rational argument, but pictures of them just strikes you at the cockles of your heart. I suppose bringing children up in lieu of an argument is much easier than rationally analysing the situation.


this isn't about choosing sides it's about finding the most viable solution that will work for both entities who can settle on land in peace,


And yet your spiel is one of the most blindly partisan piece of illogical hackwork out there. You have choosen your side, I have choosen mine, I believe that the State of Israel has the right to exist, and the right to defend itself against aggression by people who have vowed to wipe every Jew off the planet, you the contrary.



how many times have Israel broken ceasefire, tried to rig elections, blocked borders illegally, built an apartheid wall fencing millions inside of it, denied them access to decent healthcare and education since they target infrastructure that weakens the enemy .


1. Just as many times as the Palestinians have.

2. Never

3. The blockade is a necessity to protect themselves.

4. You have no idea what Apartheid is, do you? The Palestinians are not citizens of Israel, they are a seperate nation, Apartheid is the seperation of people of your own nation by race. As far as I could tell, Arab Israelis enjoy the same de jure rights as any other Israeli citizen.

5. That is the purpose of a siege, to coerce your enemy into surrendering under your terms.

6. The Israeli Defence Force does not purposely attack schools and hospitals.





I'm sure thousands of years ago countries were different and land was split differently, how does it make sense that after so long you establish a movement that tries to eradicate a country to settle there? does this justify the aims of zionism?


Ignorant! There is no country before- it was a region of the Ottoman Empire, than the British Empire, and then Israel establish itself as an independent nation. You can't eradicate a country that does not exist at all. They immigrated to what is now Israel, legally, first, under Turkish control, then under British control, and finally, declared itself an independent nation. Its nationhood is recognised by the United Nations during the late forties, early fifties, while the Palestinian nationhood can only be traced back to the eighties.





was she responsible for the death of any jews?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tali_Hatuel_and_her_four_daughters



As much as this good lady and her four daughters were responsible for the murder of Palestinians.

And Israeli=/=Jew. Your anti-semitism is showing again.
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I don't think your mind functions properly. fuck war and fuck an ongoing circle of repeated violence and savage acts on another human being for land. It will never end and the casualties are innocent people, children born on to the wrong land.


I don't think you have a mind at all.

Your sentimentalities and your complete lack of rational analysis are simply sickening.

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Posted 3/9/13
the value of human life depends on the interests of the more powerful.

my "rational analysis" is that the blood shed on both sides is not worth it for whatever aim. and segregating your entire race in to it's own country to find "peace" by killing is a paradox, it's irrational and psychopathic. because the UN chooses to prostitute land to those interested in it doesn't justify anything. You act as if Israelis and Palestinians are in the same boat, they're not, they don't even share equal rights and to most IDF soldiers ( American sanctioned thugs ) it's a game. The brutalization won't stop as long as people like you choose to condone it in any sense.

like i said, you're clearly a sociopath. And a little bit weird, look at the status on your photo's.... lol
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