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Why can't we all come together as a global society and work as a cohesive unit to provide any benefits that a government might offer?
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Due to human nature not everyone can get along. Religion, customs, ideals, climate, power, money, and much more. Unless a tyrant takes over the world and controls everyone it'll never happen ,but even that wouldn't work.
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Why do you believe that not everyone can get along? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't necessarily mean it is impossible. All of the items you mentioned can easily be worked out or disposed of.
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It will never be disposed of in case you forgot human nature. Not all men are created equal. Not everyone is going to get along it'll never happen. It may not be impossible ,but it is a long way off. None of those things are easily disposed of.
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One cannot believe that everyone is going to be able to get along. We live in different parts of the world, we have different conditions, different social status. How is one going to bring the world together when we can barely even keep in check one government?

It is mere naivete to honestly believe that humanity can become as one. The world is too big, too many opinions.
What you need is for everyone to think the same way. Do we? No. We were all programmed to be different depending on how we were brought up.

Another thing, even if the world could suddenly all get along, do you really think we'd be able to keep it that way? Of course not. I could list endless reasons why exactly that wouldn't work and then some more. By the time I'm done explaining why the world would never be able to maintain or even achieve equality and peace, I would have written you a series of books around the same size of the English dictionary.
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I think if everybody was properly educated it could be done. It doesn't matter if there are different opinions, as long as we can collaborate efficiently there won't be any problems. Not all educated people think alike, so you shouldn't assume that everyone would think alike in this circumstance.

I would very much like to hear some of the reasons why you think it couldn't be maintained, mesomuffin.
Posted 1/30/13
enlightenment makes way for logic and logic would have people see themselves as equals not split by different classifications we've had put on us. One big problem is that the government seems to divide and conquer us, or more rightly let us do it ourselves, education here like you said is vital.
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I don't think it's as simple as being educated because for some reason a number of people are just evil, sick, or twisted and WANT violence and are wired to hate, as well as tarnish others in a way that it would be difficult for that person to heal per se... Society as a whole will never come together and work together as a single peaceful unit, it's not human nature. Humans have fought since the beginning of their existence. :(

You have got a point, but it would fall apart. I would love a world of loving, caring, kindness, bunnies and rainbows, but it's just not going to happen no matter how hard we try because no matter what there will always be that little sh*tbag who just wants to make someone, or many people, suffer.

People are educated and brought up as to be nice to other people, but there will always be bullies and people who want more than their fair share, and for that reason, the whole idea of a peaceful world with no fighting is completely and utterly... Impossible.
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We'd all be better off without government, but it would take at least a couple centuries before humanity could be fully cooperative on a global scale; thanks to how widespread and effective communication has become, cultures are already beginning to merge among younger generations (case in point: consider how far away we all live from each other).
For the time being, if we somehow were able to get rid of government to begin with, communities would have to be a bit smaller in scale for a while.
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I'm saying that if you want to achieve world peace, everyone would have to be on the same level of thinking, or you have yourself a whole recipe for disaster. If everyone was properly educated? You know that we don't have the necessary funding for everyone in the world to have the same kind of education right? Or maybe we do, but then we'd certainly have to give up A LOT of the things we already have. And then what? Once we have sufficient education for everyone, do you think these people would all collaborate with one another on what kind of jobs to do and what kind of income everyone should have? There's way too many factors that come into play. You'd have to do everything perfectly and everyone would have to think ideally.

Let's just use something simple as an explanation: democrats versus republicans. We're able to somewhat get along right? But that's because we're able to tolerate the others way of thinking. We have these different groups of people because they satisfy the needs of certain groups of individuals. If you're born into money and you're taught to be more conservative: Republican. If you were born poor/middle class or maybe you just really really want more human rights in general: Democrat. And even then there are so many loopholes and things you have to fix. People aren't even happy/content with these two groups to this day. That's why third parties are starting to rise up more and more because people will ALWAYS have different needs.

If we get rid of government and it's ability to supervise and keep others in check, we'd have chaos. People weren't meant to get along in that notion. There's no way you'd be able to make sure that everyone thought the same.


Why it can't be maintained: people tend not to get along. Let's say the whole world bands together and everyone's all dandy because everything is in balance. Well, eventually that balance is going to be tipped because of human greed. Our want to expand and get more and more stuff exceeds that thinking of having a totally peaceful world. There will always be a lower and upper class. You just can't get rid of that. But let's say that a peaceful world has an upper and middle class. Do you honestly think that the lower class is going to stand for getting the lower end of the stick? Absolutely not. There's always anarchy. There has to be. That is simply human nature. We want things. We want to feel like we're treated equally but we also want to exceed that.
And what about resources? Are you saying that everyone should be entitled to the same amount of resources that we have today? Impossible. We're already running out. So let's say we get rid of that and we try to preserve as many resources as we can and we all live like everyone else around the world. Possible? No. Certain resources are needed more in one country than another. And it all depends upon population as well. If everyone was content with their life we had a stable amount of resources and money, we're very likely to see a GREAT increase in population. We can't have that, so we'd have to limit the amount of children people could have. Who would uphold that if we didn't have a government? No one. No one would have the right to say anything. I could keep going, but at this point I'm afraid i've written too much.

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This is why we have space programs looking for habitable planets in the galaxy. I hope you realize that, due to the exponential increases in technology, we will eventually have the ability to move the necessary amount of people to a different planet.
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In short:

There is ALOT of screwed up people in the world. The government is suppose to 'protect' you from said people and such. But, without a government of some kind. Then those types of people would just take control out of pure 'muscle power' aka. they will take control instead. Just look at are cousins, apes and monkeys. They are controlled by the strongest one and they have a pretty screwed up life.
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I'm saying that if you want to achieve world peace, everyone would have to be on the same level of thinking, or you have yourself a whole recipe for disaster. If everyone was properly educated? You know that we don't have the necessary funding for everyone in the world to have the same kind of education right? Or maybe we do, but then we'd certainly have to give up A LOT of the things we already have. And then what? Once we have sufficient education for everyone, do you think these people would all collaborate with one another on what kind of jobs to do and what kind of income everyone should have? There's way too many factors that come into play. You'd have to do everything perfectly and everyone would have to think ideally.


We will eventually have the resources available to educate everybody without giving up anything significant in return, it is only a matter of time.




Let's just use something simple as an explanation: democrats versus republicans. We're able to somewhat get along right? But that's because we're able to tolerate the others way of thinking. We have these different groups of people because they satisfy the needs of certain groups of individuals. If you're born into money and you're taught to be more conservative: Republican. If you were born poor/middle class or maybe you just really really want more human rights in general: Democrat. And even then there are so many loopholes and things you have to fix. People aren't even happy/content with these two groups to this day. That's why third parties are starting to rise up more and more because people will ALWAYS have different needs.


That is why everybody needs to improve their collaboration skills. Once this occurs, we will be able to come to a agreed upon decision for any issue. It isn't about needs, its about helping every single person live the best life they possibly can.




If we get rid of government and it's ability to supervise and keep others in check, we'd have chaos. People weren't meant to get along in that notion. There's no way you'd be able to make sure that everyone thought the same.


Which is why I said everyone needs to be educated. Once everyone is properly educated, there will be no chaos. Every crime you could possibly imagine would not occur. We don't need to think the same in order to get along, we just need a proper empathic consciousness.





Why it can't be maintained: people tend not to get along. Let's say the whole world bands together and everyone's all dandy because everything is in balance. Well, eventually that balance is going to be tipped because of human greed.


Once everybody is properly educated, greed will be eradicated from the human condition.





There will always be a lower and upper class. You just can't get rid of that. But let's say that a peaceful world has an upper and middle class. Do you honestly think that the lower class is going to stand for getting the lower end of the stick? Absolutely not. There's always anarchy. There has to be. That is simply human nature. We want things. We want to feel like we're treated equally but we also want to exceed that.


Once everybody is properly educated, people will be indifferent to any type of social distinction. You just need to look at things from a non-materialistic perspective, we are perfectly capable of removing the craving for materials from our nature.





And what about resources? Are you saying that everyone should be entitled to the same amount of resources that we have today? Impossible. We're already running out. So let's say we get rid of that and we try to preserve as many resources as we can and we all live like everyone else around the world. Possible? No. Certain resources are needed more in one country than another. And it all depends upon population as well. If everyone was content with their life we had a stable amount of resources and money, we're very likely to see a GREAT increase in population. We can't have that, so we'd have to limit the amount of children people could have. Who would uphold that if we didn't have a government? No one. No one would have the right to say anything. I could keep going, but at this point I'm afraid i've written too much.


We will soon live in a world of abundance, trust me, technology will soon make anything in your wildest dreams possible. You can read all about it in this book: http://www.abundancethebook.com/
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Once we educate everybody, there will be no screwed up people.


Just because one is educated, does not make them automatically non screwed up.
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