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Control, the need for control. That and a lot of what mesomuffin said is what keeps us in the dark, the minus 1% wealthy in the world want to stay in control of EVERYONE else. We do not have the funding, or the resources, or anything to sustain us for equal education at the moment. If a device was invented that instantly gave you all the necessary information on a subject you wanted to learn, then maybe we could get higher education on a very large scale, but government would still be needed to maintain order.

Everyone is different, we are defined by our experiences as we grow up, some people have very negative experiences that make them very sour or cruel people and some grow up with bad experiences and turn out to be kind and loving people that strive for betterment in all things, and vice versa. There are too many factors to count in for this, as Mesomuffin said this is an extremely naive opinion to have.

Advances in nano technology and bio-chemical and bio-genetic engineering might some day allow us to cure many major diseases, live longer and do various other things. But if everyone still feels the need to be in control of something or someone, we cannot shed government and we cannot shed the upper class and lower class systems that have been around for centuries.


The things we would need to do to make everyone equal are just not possible at this time, and may never be possible.
That is my take on this subject.
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I only quoted ur post cause i wanted to say "nice avi" lol (nobody mind me xD)
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Really? You think we're going to have the resources available to properly educate everyone in the world? I suggest you look at how the world is faring right at this moment. Our resources are dwindling every so quickly.
You're expectations of education is too high. I honestly can't tell if you truly believe that education will eradicate all the issues that people have of becoming one big happy family. Oh and of course, education will definitely get rid of human corruption. *sarcasm* Are you kidding? You're not serious right? Corruption doesn't stem from a lack of proper education! It is human nature. We're human beings for gods sake, animals, it is in our blood to have corruption within us.

"Once we educate everybody, there will be no screwed up people." I laughed. Props to you. I'd really try and think about what you just said right then and there.
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cause and effect - Indoctrination through several entities and institutions = no critical thinking. when humans are able to think for themselves they will become aware that we don't need a government the government needs us. Seriously people should know this, intelligent, enlightened, adaptive, responsible and compassionate human beings do not need a government to make the rules for us. At the moment people are too caught up in stupid little things that don't even matter like immigration, jobs and money, we need to completely re arrange the way civilization is built and end the system that revolves around exploitation, greed, economy and deception to benefit few people. build a society like they did thousands of years ago but without all the weird sacrificing and stuff lol.
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mesomuffin wrote:

Really? You think we're going to have the resources available to properly educate everyone in the world? I suggest you look at how the world is faring right at this moment. Our resources are dwindling every so quickly.
You're expectations of education is too high. I honestly can't tell if you truly believe that education will eradicate all the issues that people have of becoming one big happy family. Oh and of course, education will definitely get rid of human corruption. *sarcasm* Are you kidding? You're not serious right? Corruption doesn't stem from a lack of proper education! It is human nature. We're human beings for gods sake, animals, it is in our blood to have corruption within us.

"Once we educate everybody, there will be no screwed up people." I laughed. Props to you. I'd really try and think about what you just said right then and there.


you think corruption is a part of human nature? you're wrong. Resources are so low because no one is taking advantage of sustainable solutions and people are wasting them by buying shit they don't need. it's called consumerism, as well as this if money was put in to finding energy supplies and funding REAL education instead of resource conflicts there would be hope for civilization. you're being extremely pessimistic, sounds like you're still reliant on being told what to do. Out of interest do you know what percentage of human resource goes to waste? there is more than enough to go around but people are being greedy. cooperation goes a long way.
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mesomuffin wrote:

Really? You think we're going to have the resources available to properly educate everyone in the world? I suggest you look at how the world is faring right at this moment. Our resources are dwindling every so quickly.
You're expectations of education is too high. I honestly can't tell if you truly believe that education will eradicate all the issues that people have of becoming one big happy family. Oh and of course, education will definitely get rid of human corruption. *sarcasm* Are you kidding? You're not serious right? Corruption doesn't stem from a lack of proper education! It is human nature. We're human beings for gods sake, animals, it is in our blood to have corruption within us.

"Once we educate everybody, there will be no screwed up people." I laughed. Props to you. I'd really try and think about what you just said right then and there.


Again, all of your concerns about resources are answered in the critically-acclaimed book that I showed you.

How do you know so much about human nature? Are you an expert who has done extensive research on the subject? I would love to hear what sort of experiments you did to prove your hypotheses, because I have read about a lot of studies that do not support your claims about human nature.

Maybe you should think about what you are saying, or at least back up your claims with some factual evidence if you so strongly disagree with my claims.
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Why can't we all come together as a global society and work as a cohesive unit to provide any benefits that a government might offer?


Too many discrepancies and gaps between countries to create an effective global society.

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Government IS that exact group of people that you guys keep describing: they rule through threat of force, force you to live by their rules, and take a piece of every paycheck you make. If you refuse to comply with their rules or to pay up, they lock you in a cage or kill you.

And since everything the government now controls has at one time or another been provided without a government, so they certainly aren't necessary in that regard, either.
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Thepoorfool wrote:

Control, the need for control. That and a lot of what mesomuffin said is what keeps us in the dark, the minus 1% wealthy in the world want to stay in control of EVERYONE else. We do not have the funding, or the resources, or anything to sustain us for equal education at the moment. If a device was invented that instantly gave you all the necessary information on a subject you wanted to learn, then maybe we could get higher education on a very large scale, but government would still be needed to maintain order.

Everyone is different, we are defined by our experiences as we grow up, some people have very negative experiences that make them very sour or cruel people and some grow up with bad experiences and turn out to be kind and loving people that strive for betterment in all things, and vice versa. There are too many factors to count in for this, as Mesomuffin said this is an extremely naive opinion to have.

Advances in nano technology and bio-chemical and bio-genetic engineering might some day allow us to cure many major diseases, live longer and do various other things. But if everyone still feels the need to be in control of something or someone, we cannot shed government and we cannot shed the upper class and lower class systems that have been around for centuries.


The things we would need to do to make everyone equal are just not possible at this time, and may never be possible.
That is my take on this subject.


Like I said before, we will eventually have the ability to educate everybody due to an abundance of resources.

If we educate everybody, no child will grow up to be a sour or cruel person because they will receive the proper care and education necessary to be a loving and caring person.

We can eliminate the need for control once we are properly educated. Control is born out of fear, take away this fear and it is gone for good. It is very easy to imagine a world in which no human feels the need to manipulate any other person.
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mesomuffin wrote:

Really? You think we're going to have the resources available to properly educate everyone in the world? I suggest you look at how the world is faring right at this moment. Our resources are dwindling every so quickly.
You're expectations of education is too high. I honestly can't tell if you truly believe that education will eradicate all the issues that people have of becoming one big happy family. Oh and of course, education will definitely get rid of human corruption. *sarcasm* Are you kidding? You're not serious right? Corruption doesn't stem from a lack of proper education! It is human nature. We're human beings for gods sake, animals, it is in our blood to have corruption within us.

"Once we educate everybody, there will be no screwed up people." I laughed. Props to you. I'd really try and think about what you just said right then and there.


you think corruption is a part of human nature? you're wrong. Resources are so low because no one is taking advantage of sustainable solutions and people are wasting them by buying shit they don't need. it's called consumerism, as well as this if money was put in to finding energy supplies and funding REAL education instead of resource conflicts there would be hope for civilization. you're being extremely pessimistic, sounds like you're still reliant on being told what to do. Out of interest do you know what percentage of human resource goes to waste? there is more than enough to go around but people are being greedy. cooperation goes a long way.


I'm wrong you say? So you think we we're born reasonable human beings then? We're intelligent animals, nothing more. Yes, I agree that people are indeed buying shit that we don't need, but do honestly expect people to change that? Of course I'm reliant on being told what to do. We have structure in our lives that keeps us from going back to being uncivilized animals. But aren't you being reliant on being told what to do as well? Of course you are. There's no denying that.
I don't know the exact percentage but I certainly know that a lot of our resources are going to waste, and we can definitely change that to help other countries in need, I never argued against that, I'm just saying that there is no way that the whole world can cooperate equally.
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krnofdrg wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:

Why can't we all come together as a global society and work as a cohesive unit to provide any benefits that a government might offer?


Too many discrepancies and gaps between countries to create an effective global society.



We can easily eliminate these discrepancies and gaps, everyone just has to believe it can work.
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AruarianDance wrote:


mesomuffin wrote:

Really? You think we're going to have the resources available to properly educate everyone in the world? I suggest you look at how the world is faring right at this moment. Our resources are dwindling every so quickly.
You're expectations of education is too high. I honestly can't tell if you truly believe that education will eradicate all the issues that people have of becoming one big happy family. Oh and of course, education will definitely get rid of human corruption. *sarcasm* Are you kidding? You're not serious right? Corruption doesn't stem from a lack of proper education! It is human nature. We're human beings for gods sake, animals, it is in our blood to have corruption within us.

"Once we educate everybody, there will be no screwed up people." I laughed. Props to you. I'd really try and think about what you just said right then and there.


you think corruption is a part of human nature? you're wrong. Resources are so low because no one is taking advantage of sustainable solutions and people are wasting them by buying shit they don't need. it's called consumerism, as well as this if money was put in to finding energy supplies and funding REAL education instead of resource conflicts there would be hope for civilization. you're being extremely pessimistic, sounds like you're still reliant on being told what to do. Out of interest do you know what percentage of human resource goes to waste? there is more than enough to go around but people are being greedy. cooperation goes a long way.


Greed is part of human nature? You would have to force education on people for everyone to be educated. Plenty of people don't want education.
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Government is good for the basic tools of survival such as security (defense), social welfare, law and order, and basically keep you safe as a citizen or individual of that country.

But I dislike it when they do go too far and damage individual rights and liberty; too much regulation, crazy taxes and etc. Albeit, Government should be babysitting people.

This is my personal philosophy


^Lordseth23, how we have an abundance of resources? Care to explain this one?


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