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DivineMoonBlossoms wrote:

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but u just said what government was its group of people with a chair person

u just said why we need one your self just then


What are you talking about?

Please stop putting words in my mouth.
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Nuclear Physicist, M.T. Keshe: We Already Have “Free Energy” and Antigravity Technology:

http://www.riseearth.com/2013/03/nuclear-physicist-mt-keshe-we-already.html

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An off thread topic paragraph:
I looked at "Nuclear Physicist, M.T. Keshe: We Already Have “Free Energy” and Antigravity Technology": and remembered my child telling me the moon was made of grey cheese, not green. It had gotten moldy. No data, no testable energy source, no validity. I hope someone finds it though and explain how it can violate the second law of thermodynamics. That would be quite interesting. I hope the free-energy process will ramp up to city-wide systems and yet be cheap enough so an individual could afford them. Give them to your friends for a gift. Ask them to put the schematics on the web, they are lots of hobbyists who would build it.

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As to why we need a government, I covered it in an earlier post, but will add the smaller the government the better.

Anyone read "Voyage from Yesteryear" by James P. Hogan. It describes how a self-directed society could evolve and shows how it is viable and works. It also covers what happens to a hierarchical society when it collides with a unstructured one with self directed leadership(the plot). Several of the posts here are looking for how to build that self directed society. Just something to think about when trying to define how "we can all come together as a global society and work as a cohesive unit to provide any benefits that a government might offer" (OP). This book is what I thought of when I read the original posting by lordseth23.
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personally as an anarchist I believe we do not need goverments.
working as a global society would be good but impractical instead working as a bunch of local groups conected to one aother on a global scale would be more practical. small groups focusing on things in their own area. a simple version of this would be a farming comunity supporting a mining comunity and an industrial comumity with food, the mining comunity supports the industral one with ore and the industrial one suports the farmers and miners with tools and equipment.

working such a thing on a global scale would be hard and require a lot of communication and resource managment and in theory could be done with our current infrastructure, if the transition was handled well. with goverment being no more than a meeting with people in a local area (e.g on a county or city level) who discuss things that affect them (such as what facilities need building, what roads need repair, should they trade with community A for X or community B for Y

but before such a thing could happen people as a whole would have to learn to help each other and not lookout only for number 1
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I still feel without governments, a few people would get together, find a person with charisma and make him/her leader and start a government.

Without government checks and balances, the person ensuring drinking water is safe in your city may not be qualified, food inspectors may not be trained to a certain level to ensure they are inspecting properly. Just these two examples could have an impact on millions in a large city.
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I still feel without governments, a few people would get together, find a person with charisma and make him/her leader and start a government.

Without government checks and balances, the person ensuring drinking water is safe in your city may not be qualified, food inspectors may not be trained to a certain level to ensure they are inspecting properly. Just these two examples could have an impact on millions in a large city.


Why do you think people would do this when they have enough charisma to be leaders themselves?
What does a government have to do with qualifying a person?
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sophie-ann wrote:

I still feel without governments, a few people would get together, find a person with charisma and make him/her leader and start a government.

Without government checks and balances, the person ensuring drinking water is safe in your city may not be qualified, food inspectors may not be trained to a certain level to ensure they are inspecting properly. Just these two examples could have an impact on millions in a large city.



but what's to say that you need a goverment for these things. take modern society as a start point we already have people trained as food inspecters, as well as agencies set up to regulate these things, what's to say these systems can not still function under a common rule rather than a goverment. when you think about it, in a system with no goverment people will be working on a micro scale rather than macro. they won't be working for massive multi national companies or commuting hours to work they would be working towards the goals of the town or city in which they live. meaning that the person inspecting the water will also be drinking it. meaning that it would be in his/her best interest to make sure it's safe.

but this depends on how the system is set up. if all infrastructure is allowed to collapse without careful transition between goverment rule and common rule then things would be a lot more dificult and would probably end up like the middle ages where some one's saftey started and ended at the walls of their lord's castle.
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Well people can't all unit because people don't all agree or like one another, and the reason we need goverment is becuase it's more likely we'd all have a battle royal than to all join up if there were no goverment.
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Well people can't all unit because people don't all agree or like one another, and the reason we need goverment is becuase it's more likely we'd all have a battle royal than to all join up if there were no goverment.


Why do you believe that people cannot agree with or like one another?
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Deceipter wrote:

Well people can't all unit because people don't all agree or like one another, and the reason we need goverment is becuase it's more likely we'd all have a battle royal than to all join up if there were no goverment.


Why do you believe that people cannot agree with or like one another?


Well if we look at the subjects or arguments such as in the mid-east with their wars that have been going on for example, like in the islam and muslim conficts, they are really close neighbors but still agrue with one another causing the religous and territorial problems in places such as Iraq for example. Yes I agree with you i'd like to see a gobal thing happen or something but for some reason people around the world have different views than the rest of us which causes problems... saddly , But maybe someday the world will unit as one , it will have to at one point in time. If you understand what i mean.
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Why can't we trust each other? LMFAO
do u watch/read the news.. ?Come on kids.
Even tho the government sucks but it puts
us in our place. Without it for sure death tolls
and everything else will rise .. ~P
No matter wut there's always gotta be a leader. Gay.
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Why can't we trust each other? LMFAO
do u watch/read the news.. ?Come on kids.
Even tho the government sucks but it puts
us in our place. Without it for sure death tolls
and everything else will rise .. ~P
No matter wut there's always gotta be a leader. Gay.


So how does promoting unconditional love make me a homosexual?
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Jame's Madison said in federalist paper #51, "If men were angels, no government would be necessary [1]." And I think he has that just about right. If you'd like to see what happens when there is no government, no regulating body, then go to Somalia, I'll but your plane ticket.

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[1] - http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa51.htm
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