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Posted 6/18/13

_Shizuma wrote:

Jame's Madison said in federalist paper #51, "If men were angels, no government would be necessary [1]." And I think he has that just about right. If you'd like to see what happens when there is no government, no regulating body, then go to Somalia, I'll but your plane ticket.

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[1] - http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa51.htm


What if the people in Somalia were better educated? Would they need a government if they were all perfect people?
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Posted 7/3/13
We need governments so prostitutes like me to get out of control .. no seriously.
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While it's not perfect or completely objective, I think government provides a way for the majority of people to agree upon or at least compromise on the issues. Without government, I think there'd be complete chaos. Like anything else, government has its pros and cons. However, I think we're much better off with one than without.
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I didn't want to read the 17 page entirety of this thread so I risk repeating already stated points, However, I believe that the main issue at work is of human belief and desire.

The point on belief is that most people are different. They are born unique and raised in a way that differs however slightly to the upbringing of another. (By upbringing I mean a general set of environmental factors that might affect one's beliefs). This means that people are bound to have different beliefs. For any given problem there will be those who don't consider it as such. Of those that view it as a threat they tend to differ in opinion of how to solve the issue. From these differences lead conflict. These conflicts may be small or as big as a global nuclear war. Now with a system of government in place there is a group of people with authority, which for sake of simplicity and/or argument I consider to be the definition of government to be as such, have the ability to efficiently and effectively deal with the conflict in a way that would, hopefully, benefit the represented party or at the very least the authority itself. This is better than a non-centralized power, especially a large one, that would take large amount of time to solve any conflict. However in the case that there is a powerful, motivational, and universal, such as fear, the hastily made decision will tend towards a much less than optimal solution. However this is assuming that as you/ the original poster give everyone an equal say and that everyone will work together then you my friend have a direct democracy, which you will note is a form of government. It merely is authority spread out evenly among everyone. Now with a population of 7 billion and growing anyone trying to create a global direct democracy will run in to the issue of how evenly the power is spread. If there is only a slight and random fluctuation then it will be fine, the fluctuations should balance themselves out. However if there is any discrimination of any sort be it ideals, race, gender, etc. there will start to be problems. The repressed group will be in a position to justly desire more from an imperfect system. Now assuming that any said group wasn't power hungry to begin with then there may be something akin to a protest or rebellion. A minority vs. a majority.

This brings us upon the topic of desire. The minority party has a desire that it would like fulfilled but isn't. Now there is conflict. The conflict will not be fairly resolved as the minority is at disadvantage, and, as previously stated, will not be efficiently or effectively solved. In contrast if there is a group of people that desires more power and achieves it it would be difficult to change it and perhaps an unfair or unintended form of government will develop which is what happened with the U.S. Articles of Confederation as well as a number of the socialist and communist nations that exist today as a result of a war which put the people of said nation in a position to desire more giving an opportunity to those desiring power to rise up and establish themselves. Likewise if this is meant to be global there will be desire to secede for reasons similar to any stated above. Presumably we are removing government to prevent a centralized source of authority and thus power, power which can be abused. This is for the good of the people however this "no government" idea would work fine if there perhaps existed a perfect centralized government. Both of which are impossible due to human desire and thus brings in human flaws destroying any possibility of a lasting, large scale distribution of power so that it may not be abused.
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Posted 7/29/13
Have you watched hunger games?
We can only live the way we do.
Cause district asia gives us 2 days of chinese labour of rice for 2 dollars.

Not to mention the furs Jerome had to pull off the zebra and trade for a spoon.
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Posted 7/29/13
Some people are unable to govern themselves to a degree in which their actions do not infringe on the rights of another person, and within the context of our culture time/era; rights seem to be a large focus.
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We need governments to steer us in the right direction and do things to protect the population as a whole. WE can't trst each other as in times of desperation many of us will be driven to do things which may be dangerous.
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Posted 8/2/13
If the topic is why do we need our CURRENT governments, I would agree we don't...we need something better.

But no governments at all? Look at Somalia!

Enough said
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Posted 8/5/13 , edited 8/5/13

eightcar wrote:

If the topic is why do we need our CURRENT governments, I would agree we don't...we need something better.

But no governments at all? Look at Somalia!

Enough said



What can you possibly mean? Don't you like things not working.
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Posted 8/8/13
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary."- James Madison

"Laws control the lesser man. Right conduct controls the greater one." - Mark Twain

Would actually have a solid response but these quotes sums it up for me.
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Posted 8/8/13
Your right if that happen's then why ould we need a govermnent? we don't need a govermnent btw... it's just their to set up order and advance civilization by promoting peace, infratstructure ect... but not all govermnent's do this and their own people let them get away with it (sometimes out of fear or agreement). until the times comes were every human can act in harmony like one mind to promote civilization the government is just a tool to keep it from destroying itself quickly...
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Posted 8/8/13
We need a government because we need rules and control to keep order or else human nature would be in chaos. (and that's why we are messed up with these corrupted governments >_>)

Even in animal kingdom, there's a territory for every specie and in every territory there's "someone" in power.

Read the book "Lord of the Flies" it shows how a group of boys think they can survive without adults...without that authority who tells them what to do and everything become chaos.
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Posted 8/9/13
I like how you pessimists continue to emphasize the mistakes that people make in order to legitimize a form of slavery. If only you knew how much progress civilization has made over the millennia.
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Posted 8/9/13
What country doesn't have a government or a president? if you check history, everyone needs a leader, you can be the minority but the majority is always eager to choose a king, president etc ..I'm being realistic.
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