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Post Reply Why do we need governments?
Posted 9/28/14 , edited 9/28/14
We "need" governments because some people can't govern themselves. They can't think independently or act upon thoughts independently. They have no ideas with which to conduct themselves rightly, so some people go about making disturbances and fucking shit up in general. If you are in understanding of how to abide by law and standards, then you are like a shadow to the government. Barely noticeable to the legal system's wicked eye and how it perpetually gets people destroyed every day through corruption.

If you like being a follower, then go along with whatever your leaders tell you. But, if you like to lead, then figure the opposite of what makes a follower and redesign your ass to comply with it.

Done.
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Posted 10/27/14
your thoughts are needed by governments.
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Infrastructure. I don't like having trash and poo everywhere, but it's hard to take care of that without some organized agenda to keep the pipes flowing.

Also, without some delegated higher constitution of law, people tend to see it fit to make themselves the supreme decider in matters that don't necessarily concern them. The government makes and enforces rules that apply to everybody. I'm not saying that any of them have done a great job at that, but you can't leave it up to the people or the people in charge to decide who is the most morally supreme without having some rules already on the books that must be observed. Rules that, with a good government, can quickly evolve to suit the needs of the people, but no rules in the meantime means trash and poo everywhere.

Essentially by casting off the government as a first-world problem, you incite real third-world problems.
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Posted 10/28/14 , edited 10/28/14
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet.

But with lack of government. What has been observed is the formation of clans or guild.
So you see, without a formal government, what you will see is smaller governments pop up in place of it.
Each with their own laws and regulations.
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The true answer is that we do not need government. The only reason as to why it exists is because of our own individual failings to govern ourselves. If we could just govern ourselves we would realize that we do not need government and would move to do without it.
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togussa wrote:

The true answer is that we do not need government. The only reason as to why it exists is because of our own individual failings to govern ourselves. If we could just govern ourselves we would realize that we do not need government and would move to do without it.


Government is something we need because in a human society self-governance for all is extremely unsustainable.

You're talking about a hive-mind that people cannot create because we don't work on pheromone triggers, we work to provide for ourselves and those who depend on us. How does one person govern themselves to get up every day and treat the drinking water for a city while another gets up to repave a road while another gets up to work on a farm and another runs a business and another sits and waits to see if there are any big fires to put out that day? And what about social deviance?

How, if everyone is self-governing, do we keep an infrastructure that doesn't invite destruction and oppression? Public health, public safety, public education, and all other public services need to run properly to give people the chance at self governance. If the infrastructure fails, society turns in the wrong direction and people have no chance to, say, learn the necessary skills to be a doctor.

So if the only reason government exists is because people cannot or do not self-govern in ways that make it possible for every person to take many avenues to pursue their personal freedoms (to govern ourselves), then the true answer is we need government.


Is the kid that lives in poverty, does a dutiful job in a bad school system and wonders what it would be like to attend medical school without ever having a chance to go, due to high tuition cost and the cycle of poverty, really free to self-govern? I'm not talking about some kid who can really strap his boots up tight and make it happen, I mean some kid, probably a minority, who has to ask for support from people who self-govern and think rich white boys are better at paying back debt than this kid possibly could be. Giving someone a large sum of money that they will potentially pay back with success is risky. It's not good for anyone at that point if they fail because you will not see your investment paid off and they will be left with debt that will affect their life negatively.

There are practical impossibilities that people really face, directly caused by broken infrastructure, but because their government does not effectively fill the gaps that self-government leaves.
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morechunch wrote:


togussa wrote:

The true answer is that we do not need government. The only reason as to why it exists is because of our own individual failings to govern ourselves. If we could just govern ourselves we would realize that we do not need government and would move to do without it.


Government is something we need because in a human society self-governance for all is extremely unsustainable.

You're talking about a hive-mind that people cannot create because we don't work on pheromone triggers, we work to provide for ourselves and those who depend on us. How does one person govern themselves to get up every day and treat the drinking water for a city while another gets up to repave a road while another gets up to work on a farm and another runs a business and another sits and waits to see if there are any big fires to put out that day? And what about social deviance?

How, if everyone is self-governing, do we keep an infrastructure that doesn't invite destruction and oppression? Public health, public safety, public education, and all other public services need to run properly to give people the chance at self governance. If the infrastructure fails, society turns in the wrong direction and people have no chance to, say, learn the necessary skills to be a doctor.

So if the only reason government exists is because people cannot or do not self-govern in ways that make it possible for every person to take many avenues to pursue their personal freedoms (to govern ourselves), then the true answer is we need government.


Is the kid that lives in poverty, does a dutiful job in a bad school system and wonders what it would be like to attend medical school without ever having a chance to go, due to high tuition cost and the cycle of poverty, really free to self-govern? I'm not talking about some kid who can really strap his boots up tight and make it happen, I mean some kid, probably a minority, who has to ask for support from people who self-govern and think rich white boys are better at paying back debt than this kid possibly could be. Giving someone a large sum of money that they will potentially pay back with success is risky. It's not good for anyone at that point if they fail because you will not see your investment paid off and they will be left with debt that will affect their life negatively.

There are practical impossibilities that people really face, directly caused by broken infrastructure, but because their government does not effectively fill the gaps that self-government leaves.


That was a very thought out answer. However I still believe that we can self govern. It will be a long time before we can though.
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"If men were angels or if God governed among men" we would have no need of government.
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Order will be triumphed by chaos if government is removed IMHO. How will the laws be regulated, who will regulate them, and how long till people start disobeying them completely since there is no government to keep them in check, eh?
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Security is the key word. Because we need protection from all of the stupid people who want to ruin it for everyone else. Different governments reflect different values in what ought to be protected. (Direct) Democracy and totalitarianism each sought to preserve their respective status quo/way of life. In the 20th century, Communism seen on the left arose from the ideals of equality, but didn't account much for individual property rights & autonomy. Fascism seen on the right arose from the ideals of national identity and pride in industry, but at the expense of minorities & its neighbors. Neither of those were all that great for the people with human rights. Then we have socialism (not nazi socialism) and capitalism, which seek to balance democratic ideals with the kind of structure seen in less permissive states with the associated perks of the economic free market. So far the last two have been efficient at promoting social growth and economic prosperity. Given these are the basics, and there is really a wide constellation of other states, past and present, but we basically need them for stability and a sense of security. Stupid people are the most dangerous people there are, and as an infectious disease widespread stupidity might possibly be the downfall of the human race.
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Posted 13 days ago
The government keeps things in order.
Even if they swindle us, we still have protection from them...sorta.

If there were no government, this world would go coo coo within a fortnight.
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You (and many others that posted here) are very naive. That is all I am going to say.
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Why cant we all just get along
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