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For that to happen, you have to remove all religion and all politics.
And sure, all religion may be wiped out (the sooner the better), but politics? I don't see how that can be removed.

Not to mention, without a government, humanity would be disorganized. Which is bad, because it's being organized that allows us to live the relatively good lives we in the west live.


lordseth23
No, I am a virgin. Why do you believe that there is a special feeling that comes with sex?


If you have not had the experience of something, you are not fit to express any opinion what so ever about said experience.

Therefore, you have no business asking such a question, as it is based on the pretense that sex is NOT special, which you would not know, since you have never partaken in it.
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As far as religion goes, there are several reasons. For one, many people are too ignorant to see that the world would be better without it.


Then we just remove their ignorance through proper education.




Second, because one cannot force people to change their beliefs. A person's beliefs can only be changed if the person itself is willing to be convinced that their old way of thinking is incorrect, which is very difficult for many people, and even impossible for some.


Why do you think it is impossible. Once people are properly educated, they will ultimately change their beliefs for the better.




In addition to that, we would need a system in place that would ensure that all people get what they are entitled to and that no one does anything bad towards other people.


This can easily be done. If you remove peoples' unnecessary materialism through proper education, they won't feel the need to be entitled to anything. And this proper education will guarantee that nobody does anything bad towads anyone else.




It would have to be a 100% perfect system that no one had a problem with, and who could not go wrong in any way, which is practicly impossible.


Why do you think it is impossible?





Impossible when concidering how many people there are on this planet, and taking the human condition into account.
Which includes greed, jealousy and desire. Someone is BOUND to wrong someone.


Not impossible, considering that we can eliminate greed, jealousy, and desire from the human condition. Once everyone is properly educated, nobody will wrong anyone else.




And when that happens, who are going to stop these people from doing more wrong?


Their moral intuitions will prevent them from doing any harm.




Education cannot do everything. You seem to think that if everyone was just educated better, all the problems of the world would be solved. They wouldn't.


How so?




Because there would still be disagreement over things.


If everyone was properly educated, we can work out these disagreements in an efficient manner.





Things that does not have a definitive "right" or "wrong" answer.


Everything has a definitive "right" or "wrong" answer. If you ask a wise person, they can tell you what is right and what is wrong.




And what gives you the impression that everything can be explained in mere words?


There are over 1.5 million words in the English language, you have the ability to provide a somewhat accurate description of the sensation. There are no excuses for not answering my question.
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lordseth23 wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


As far as religion goes, there are several reasons. For one, many people are too ignorant to see that the world would be better without it.


Then we just remove their ignorance through proper education.


In many countries, they already are. Especially in the nordic countries. But that is a gradual process, and will take several generations, even up here in the North.
Think about how long it will take in the countries that are still deeply religious, like USA, Italy and Russia. Or even worse, in theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran.


lordseth23 wrote:

Second, because one cannot force people to change their beliefs. A person's beliefs can only be changed if the person itself is willing to be convinced that their old way of thinking is incorrect, which is very difficult for many people, and even impossible for some.


Why do you think it is impossible. Once people are properly educated, they will ultimately change their beliefs for the better.

It's not impossible to force others to change opinion. But doing so would be brainwashing, and is unethical.
And yes, proper education will improve people's reasoning and intelligence. But like I said above, it'll be a long time before that happens all over the world.
And even then there will be issues with no clear "right" or "wrong", which will also create conflict.



lordseth23

In addition to that, we would need a system in place that would ensure that all people get what they are entitled to and that no one does anything bad towards other people.


This can easily be done. If you remove peoples' unnecessary materialism through proper education, they won't feel the need to be entitled to anything. And this proper education will guarantee that nobody does anything bad towads anyone else.


Humanity cannot be removed simply through education. There will always be people who long for more, or who will want for some reason to rule over others and have things handed to them with no effort.
And the only way that's ever going to happen is if we are able to create a "replicator".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzgVWpa4fzU
And the chance of that happening any time soon is not exactly very big.



lordseth23

It would have to be a 100% perfect system that no one had a problem with, and who could not go wrong in any way, which is practicly impossible.


Why do you think it is impossible?

Let me do what you like doing and as in return: Why do you think it IS possible?



lordseth23

Impossible when concidering how many people there are on this planet, and taking the human condition into account.
Which includes greed, jealousy and desire. Someone is BOUND to wrong someone.


Not impossible, considering that we can eliminate greed, jealousy, and desire from the human condition. Once everyone is properly educated, nobody will wrong anyone else.

No, we can't. Human condition can not be "cured" through education.
Why do you think there are still people who have unprotected sex, even though they know the risks of pregnancy and STDs?
Why do you think there are still people who use harmful substances, even though they know the potential severe health risks?
Why do you think there are still people who stay in bad relationships, even though all logic dictates that they would be much better off if they just left?

Because that's how humans are. We are not 100% controlled by our intellect. We also have emotions, who also plays a part in deciding what we do. And emotions are illogical.



lordseth23

And when that happens, who are going to stop these people from doing more wrong?


Their moral intuitions will prevent them from doing any harm.

And what about psychopaths and sociopaths? What about people with mental illnesses that prevents them from functioning "normally"?



lordseth23

Education cannot do everything. You seem to think that if everyone was just educated better, all the problems of the world would be solved. They wouldn't.


How so?

See above.



Because there would still be disagreement over things.


If everyone was properly educated, we can work out these disagreements in an efficient manner.
No. Because of what I've been saying. For many, the best of everyone else simply isn't on the agenda. Because they only care about themselves. And unless we start applying mandatory eugenics (which I AM in favor of, but don't see happening any time soon), it will still be that way.



lordseth23

Things that does not have a definitive "right" or "wrong" answer.


Everything has a definitive "right" or "wrong" answer. If you ask a wise person, they can tell you what is right and what is wrong.

No, it doesn't. And the fact that you think it has just shows how out of touch with reality you really are (not that that wasn't obvious already).



lordseth23

And what gives you the impression that everything can be explained in mere words?


There are over 1.5 million words in the English language, you have the ability to provide a somewhat accurate description of the sensation. There are no excuses for not answering my question.

Even if english was my first language (which it isn't), what makes you think that I would have mastered the language? Most native speakers of a language only know slightly more than what they need to survive in their own society. And you don't need mastery of the language for that.

And as for me, I'm busy enough trying to master my own native language, and I certainly don't have the time to try and master english. Not yet anyways.
So there. Perfectly valid excuse.
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It's not impossible to force others to change opinion. But doing so would be brainwashing, and is unethical.


How does education equal brainwashing?
How is teaching people about ethics unethical?




Humanity cannot be removed simply through education. There will always be people who long for more, or who will want for some reason to rule over others and have things handed to them with no effort.


Why can't it? We can easily remove these unnecessary traits from the human condition, it is not a problem.




Let me do what you like doing and as in return: Why do you think it IS possible?


Because the ideas that pave the way for it have already been presented in various literature.




No, we can't. Human condition can not be "cured" through education.


Why can't it?




Why do you think there are still people who have unprotected sex, even though they know the risks of pregnancy and STDs?
Why do you think there are still people who use harmful substances, even though they know the potential severe health risks?
Why do you think there are still people who stay in bad relationships, even though all logic dictates that they would be much better off if they just left?


We can easily teach people to not do these things, you just have to believe.




We are not 100% controlled by our intellect.


How did you come to this conclusion?




We also have emotions, who also plays a part in deciding what we do. And emotions are illogical.


We are perfectly capable of controlling our emotions, this is not a problem.




And what about psychopaths and sociopaths? What about people with mental illnesses that prevents them from functioning "normally"?


These people will either stay in mental hospitals or remain in the strict care of a loving family.




No. Because of what I've been saying. For many, the best of everyone else simply isn't on the agenda. Because they only care about themselves.


Then all we need to do is convince them to care about other people more than themselves.




No, it doesn't. And the fact that you think it has just shows how out of touch with reality you really are (not that that wasn't obvious already).


How so? Care to explain your reasoning?




Even if english was my first language (which it isn't), what makes you think that I would have mastered the language? Most native speakers of a language only know slightly more than what they need to survive in their own society. And you don't need mastery of the language for that.

And as for me, I'm busy enough trying to master my own native language, and I certainly don't have the time to try and master english. Not yet anyways.
So there. Perfectly valid excuse.


Alright, then just say that in the first place. Don't blame me for asking questions you can't answer.
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lordseth23 wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:

It's not impossible to force others to change opinion. But doing so would be brainwashing, and is unethical.


How does education equal brainwashing?
How is teaching people about ethics unethical?

FORCE them. See the FORCE part in there? That's what seperates the two.



lordseth23

Humanity cannot be removed simply through education. There will always be people who long for more, or who will want for some reason to rule over others and have things handed to them with no effort.


Why can't it? We can easily remove these unnecessary traits from the human condition, it is not a problem.

We can? Explain it to me. How exactly can we do that?



lordseth23

Let me do what you like doing and as in return: Why do you think it IS possible?


Because the ideas that pave the way for it have already been presented in various literature.

Examples?



lordseth23

No, we can't. Human condition can not be "cured" through education.


Why can't it?

Why CAN it? Explain how it can be done.



lordseth23

Why do you think there are still people who have unprotected sex, even though they know the risks of pregnancy and STDs?
Why do you think there are still people who use harmful substances, even though they know the potential severe health risks?
Why do you think there are still people who stay in bad relationships, even though all logic dictates that they would be much better off if they just left?


We can easily teach people to not do these things, you just have to believe.

"Believe"? Believe what?



lordseth23

We are not 100% controlled by our intellect.


How did you come to this conclusion?


Observation and experience.



lordseth23

We also have emotions, who also plays a part in deciding what we do. And emotions are illogical.


We are perfectly capable of controlling our emotions, this is not a problem.

Sometimes, but not always. And some more than others.



lordseth23

And what about psychopaths and sociopaths? What about people with mental illnesses that prevents them from functioning "normally"?


These people will either stay in mental hospitals or remain in the strict care of a loving family.

And you think all these people can be tracked and known to be psychopaths and sociopaths before they do bad things?
And besides, there are other medical conditions that can prevent people from functioning according to the perfect, A4 system. What about autistic people?



lordseth23

No. Because of what I've been saying. For many, the best of everyone else simply isn't on the agenda. Because they only care about themselves.


Then all we need to do is convince them to care about other people more than themselves.

Good luck.



lordseth23

No, it doesn't. And the fact that you think it has just shows how out of touch with reality you really are (not that that wasn't obvious already).


How so? Care to explain your reasoning?

Moral dilemmas for instance.



lordseth23

Even if english was my first language (which it isn't), what makes you think that I would have mastered the language? Most native speakers of a language only know slightly more than what they need to survive in their own society. And you don't need mastery of the language for that.

And as for me, I'm busy enough trying to master my own native language, and I certainly don't have the time to try and master english. Not yet anyways.
So there. Perfectly valid excuse.


Alright, then just say that in the first place. Don't blame me for asking questions you can't answer.


I had no reason to bring it up, because you had no reason to assume that I had mastery in the english language.
Mastery of anything is not common among most people.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:

It's not impossible to force others to change opinion. But doing so would be brainwashing, and is unethical.


How does education equal brainwashing?
How is teaching people about ethics unethical?

FORCE them. See the FORCE part in there? That's what seperates the two.


That is why we don't force them to do anything, we just educate them.





lordseth23

Why can't it? We can easily remove these unnecessary traits from the human condition, it is not a problem.

We can? Explain it to me. How exactly can we do that?


By educating them.





lordseth23

Because the ideas that pave the way for it have already been presented in various literature.

Examples?


http://empathiccivilization.com/
http://www.abundancethebook.com/
http://righteousmind.com/
http://stevenpinker.com/publications/better-angels-our-nature





lordseth23

Why can't it?

Why CAN it? Explain how it can be done.


By teaching people why certain sets of actions are not in their best interest. Once they know why they should not do something, they will never think about doing it ever again.





lordseth23
We can easily teach people to not do these things, you just have to believe.

"Believe"? Believe what?


That people are inherently good and that all of the severe crimes they may commit can be prevented if they just had a proper empathic consciousness.





lordseth23

We are perfectly capable of controlling our emotions, this is not a problem.

Sometimes, but not always. And some more than others.


We have the ability to always control our emotions, it is not that difficult once you have the proper knowledge.





lordseth23
These people will either stay in mental hospitals or remain in the strict care of a loving family.

And you think all these people can be tracked and known to be psychopaths and sociopaths before they do bad things?


Yes, the right technology will eventually be available to do such a thing.




And besides, there are other medical conditions that can prevent people from functioning according to the perfect, A4 system. What about autistic people?


All of these people can easily be taken care of by a loving family, this is not a problem.






lordseth23
How so? Care to explain your reasoning?

Moral dilemmas for instance.


They are not a problem to a person with a proper empathic consciousness.
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lordseth23
That is why we don't force them to do anything, we just educate them.


So then why did you argue when I said "force"?




lordseth23
By educating them.

And we could get to Alpha Centauri just by flying there.
Obviously it's more complicated than just that.
And if not, explain the exact methods that can be used, and how we will get these into the school system.



Sounds nice, but as far as I understand, for a system with no government to work, it would rely on absolute perfection from everyone.



lordseth23
By teaching people why certain sets of actions are not in their best interest. Once they know why they should not do something, they will never think about doing it ever again.

Like with drugs? Which people still take, even though it's harmful and they know it's harmful?



lordseth23
That people are inherently good and that all of the severe crimes they may commit can be prevented if they just had a proper empathic consciousness.

Right. But they're not. They're selfish. Selfishness is evolutionary, and all animals are selfish.




lordseth23
We have the ability to always control our emotions, it is not that difficult once you have the proper knowledge.

Then please, teach me.



lordseth23
Yes, the right technology will eventually be available to do such a thing.

So your plan is depending on a piece of technology that MIGHT come into existence...
And also that of course, we have a cluster of people who can all keep track of everything, who never does mistakes, and who can organize everything in perfection...



lordseth23
All of these people can easily be taken care of by a loving family, this is not a problem.

So you would confine them to their homes simply because they don't fit into your perfect scheme?



lordseth23
They are not a problem to a person with a proper empathic consciousness.

Yes. They are. There will always be something. And even IF there isn't, then remember that choices are often not up to one single individual.
What about the others who disagree with the choice? They might become mad, and thus, conflict is born.
And those disagreements WILL happen, because of environment. Because of what events has happened in the individual's past that seperates them and their exact minds from everyone else's.
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lordseth23
By educating them.

And we could get to Alpha Centauri just by flying there.
Obviously it's more complicated than just that.
And if not, explain the exact methods that can be used, and how we will get these into the school system.


I agree, it is complicated, but it is still something we must do.





Sounds nice, but as far as I understand, for a system with no government to work, it would rely on absolute perfection from everyone.


I can't help it if you choose to remain ignorant.





lordseth23
By teaching people why certain sets of actions are not in their best interest. Once they know why they should not do something, they will never think about doing it ever again.

Like with drugs? Which people still take, even though it's harmful and they know it's harmful?


Exactly, we need to teach people why they shouldn't take the drugs that are harmful to them.





lordseth23
That people are inherently good and that all of the severe crimes they may commit can be prevented if they just had a proper empathic consciousness.

Right. But they're not. They're selfish. Selfishness is evolutionary, and all animals are selfish.


Show me the scientific evidence that proves this.





lordseth23
We have the ability to always control our emotions, it is not that difficult once you have the proper knowledge.

Then please, teach me.


I will start when you identify an emotion that you are having trouble with.





lordseth23
Yes, the right technology will eventually be available to do such a thing.

So your plan is depending on a piece of technology that MIGHT come into existence...


There is no reason to believe that it won't.





lordseth23
All of these people can easily be taken care of by a loving family, this is not a problem.

So you would confine them to their homes simply because they don't fit into your perfect scheme?


They don't need to be confined to a home, they just need to be supervised.





lordseth23
They are not a problem to a person with a proper empathic consciousness.

Yes. They are. There will always be something.


Care to give an example?




And even IF there isn't, then remember that choices are often not up to one single individual.


And that is why we need to collaborate with each other.




What about the others who disagree with the choice?


If we collaborate efficiently, there will be no disagreements in the end.




And those disagreements WILL happen, because of environment. Because of what events has happened in the individual's past that seperates them and their exact minds from everyone else's.


Yes, I agree, but that does not mean we can't come to an agreement in the end.

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lordseth23
I agree, it is complicated, but it is still something we must do.

And how do you propose we do this in actuality?




lordseth23
I can't help it if you choose to remain ignorant.

Ignorant of what?



lordseth23
Exactly, we need to teach people why they shouldn't take the drugs that are harmful to them.

In what way can we do that better than we are today, then?



lordseth23
Show me the scientific evidence that proves this.

How about you show me evidence that proves that we are altruistic by nature?
After all, you're the one who has to prove that your idea will work...



lordseth23
I will start when you identify an emotion that you are having trouble with.

Okay, let's say "desire". I'm a very hedonistic individual.




lordseth23
There is no reason to believe that it won't.

And in the meantime?



lordseth23
They don't need to be confined to a home, they just need to be supervised.

Why not use eugenics instead?



lordseth23
Care to give an example?

No. Because I have severe ADD and I am not capable of focusing for long enough to find a definite one.
Sorry.


lordseth23

And even IF there isn't, then remember that choices are often not up to one single individual.

And that is why we need to collaborate with each other.

And how do you expect to convice everyone in the world that your way of thinking is best (which you will have to do in order to educate them).



lordseth23
If we collaborate efficiently, there will be no disagreements in the end.

And what makes you think this?



lordseth23

And those disagreements WILL happen, because of environment. Because of what events has happened in the individual's past that seperates them and their exact minds from everyone else's.


Yes, I agree, but that does not mean we can't come to an agreement in the end.


People have different relationships to things.

Take the concept of "rape jokes" for instance.
This doesn't have a clear black/white, right/wrong answer. Because it depends on what experiences people have with the issue.

On one hand, rape is indeed awful and is a serious, unfunny matter. But on the other hand, comedy is a way to deal with such things in a more light hearted way, so long as they are not mean spirited. And there is also a saying that goes "nothing is taboo". A.k.a. everything can be joked about.

So should rape jokes be illegal for the sake of those who don't like it? Should we strangle free speech and make certain subjects taboo to joke about for the sensitivity of others?
Or should we let free speech be free speech, and say to the people that don't like it that they just have to suck it up?

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Syndicaidramon wrote:


lordseth23
I agree, it is complicated, but it is still something we must do.

And how do you propose we do this in actuality?


By teaching people to love each other.





lordseth23
I can't help it if you choose to remain ignorant.

Ignorant of what?


Empathy.





lordseth23
Exactly, we need to teach people why they shouldn't take the drugs that are harmful to them.

In what way can we do that better than we are today, then?


I don't know, that is something we need to figure out.





lordseth23
Show me the scientific evidence that proves this.

How about you show me evidence that proves that we are altruistic by nature?
After all, you're the one who has to prove that your idea will work...


I just cited books that contain the evidence to prove this, it is your job to read them if you are so focused on proving me wrong.





lordseth23
I will start when you identify an emotion that you are having trouble with.

Okay, let's say "desire". I'm a very hedonistic individual.


You should let go of any desires you have, they are impeding your ability to empathize with people. Think hard about why you desire something. If you think you have a legitimate reason for desiring it, then come back and tell me the desire so I can tell you why you shouldn't desire it.





lordseth23
There is no reason to believe that it won't.

And in the meantime?


Brave the storm, hold the fort down, and try to make the world a better place on your own.





lordseth23
They don't need to be confined to a home, they just need to be supervised.

Why not use eugenics instead?


They are acceptable too if they are ethical.





lordseth23

And even IF there isn't, then remember that choices are often not up to one single individual.

And that is why we need to collaborate with each other.

And how do you expect to convice everyone in the world that your way of thinking is best (which you will have to do in order to educate them).


I don't know how to do this, but I must try because it is my duty to do so.





lordseth23
If we collaborate efficiently, there will be no disagreements in the end.

And what makes you think this?


Because there are countless instances in the business world where everyone comes to an agreement after effective collaboration.





lordseth23

And those disagreements WILL happen, because of environment. Because of what events has happened in the individual's past that seperates them and their exact minds from everyone else's.


Yes, I agree, but that does not mean we can't come to an agreement in the end.


People have different relationships to things.

Take the concept of "rape jokes" for instance.


This is quite appalling, you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking that rape is a joke. Nobody should joke about rape in public, that is completely immoral and unacceptable. Unless you have been raped yourself and think that there is nothing wrong with it, you should be focused on preventing such a horrible crime.




On one hand, rape is indeed awful and is a serious, unfunny matter. But on the other hand, comedy is a way to deal with such things in a more light hearted way, so long as they are not mean spirited.


No, there is a definite right and wrong answer as to when you should be permitted to joke about horrible crimes. A responsible person would be overly cautious about this matter and never declare a joke like this until he or she was absolutely certain about how private the conversation was and knew the people they were talking to well enough to know that they will not take it the wrong way. You shouldn't just assume that people are not going to take your joke in a mean-spirited way, this is completely irresponsible and a definite mistake on your part.




So should rape jokes be illegal for the sake of those who don't like it?


Yes, rape jokes should be illegal in a public forum.




Should we strangle free speech and make certain subjects taboo to joke about for the sensitivity of others?


Yes, because free speech has its flaws and should not be used as a tool to make people feel isolated and inhumane.
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to have laws
they may be a bunch of c***s the governments are you would not have most the tech or maby you not be alive because people be out till kill each othere
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lordseth23
By teaching people to love each other.


WAY easier said than done.





lordseth23
Empathy.


Could you elaborate, please?



lordseth23
I just cited books that contain the evidence to prove this, it is your job to read them if you are so focused on proving me wrong.


Okay, then let me ask you this: For what reason is this then not commonly accepted throughout the scientific community?




lordseth23
You should let go of any desires you have, they are impeding your ability to empathize with people. Think hard about why you desire something. If you think you have a legitimate reason for desiring it, then come back and tell me the desire so I can tell you why you shouldn't desire it.


You are telling me things I already know. I already know why I shouldn't desire these things that I do.
But I still do desire them. Because desire is not logic.




lordseth23
I don't know how to do this, but I must try because it is my duty to do so.


So basicly, this is just a wishful scenario and not something realisticly feasible....




lordseth23
Because there are countless instances in the business world where everyone comes to an agreement after effective collaboration.


And what about the things that aren't related to business?




lordseth23
This is quite appalling, you should be ashamed of yourself for thinking that rape is a joke. Nobody should joke about rape in public, that is completely immoral and unacceptable. Unless you have been raped yourself and think that there is nothing wrong with it, you should be focused on preventing such a horrible crime.


I never EVER said that rape is a joke. Never.
What I did say, is that there are people that make jokes ABOUT rape. I don't, but there are people that does.




lordseth23
No, there is a definite right and wrong answer as to when you should be permitted to joke about horrible crimes.


No, there isn't. Because when you set rules like that, you limit freedom of expression. And if you can just limit freedom of expression in whatever way you see fit, then the concept loses all its meaning.



lordseth23
A responsible person would be overly cautious about this matter and never declare a joke like this until he or she was absolutely certain about how private the conversation was and knew the people they were talking to well enough to know that they will not take it the wrong way. You shouldn't just assume that people are not going to take your joke in a mean-spirited way, this is completely irresponsible and a definite mistake on your part.


Obviously.




lordseth23
Yes, rape jokes should be illegal in a public forum.


That would sterilize the community, making everything ultra-safe, and in turn, make everyone super-sensitive.
Which would mean that whenever someone inevitably DO violate these rules, there will be way bigger overreactions than there would be otherwise.




lordseth23
Yes, because free speech has its flaws and should not be used as a tool to make people feel isolated and inhumane.

Everything has its flaws. You have to weigh up the pros against the cons.
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By teaching people to love each other.


WAY easier said than done.


That does not make it impossible.





lordseth23
Empathy.


Could you elaborate, please?


Instead of listening to people and trying to see things from their point of view, you choose to belittle them and make them feel inhuman by calling them derogatory names.





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I just cited books that contain the evidence to prove this, it is your job to read them if you are so focused on proving me wrong.


Okay, then let me ask you this: For what reason is this then not commonly accepted throughout the scientific community?


Where did you get the impression that it is not commonly accepted throughout the scientific community?





lordseth23
You should let go of any desires you have, they are impeding your ability to empathize with people. Think hard about why you desire something. If you think you have a legitimate reason for desiring it, then come back and tell me the desire so I can tell you why you shouldn't desire it.


You are telling me things I already know. I already know why I shouldn't desire these things that I do.
But I still do desire them. Because desire is not logic.


And I am saying that in order to be a better person, you should not desire them.





lordseth23
I don't know how to do this, but I must try because it is my duty to do so.


So basicly, this is just a wishful scenario and not something realisticly feasible....


How is it not realistically feasible?





lordseth23
Because there are countless instances in the business world where everyone comes to an agreement after effective collaboration.


And what about the things that aren't related to business?


Collaboration can be done anywhere, it is not limited to business settings.





lordseth23
No, there is a definite right and wrong answer as to when you should be permitted to joke about horrible crimes.


No, there isn't. Because when you set rules like that, you limit freedom of expression. And if you can just limit freedom of expression in whatever way you see fit, then the concept loses all its meaning.


Then we have the concept lose its meaning and promote empathy.






lordseth23
Yes, rape jokes should be illegal in a public forum.


That would sterilize the community, making everything ultra-safe, and in turn, make everyone super-sensitive.


Why do you think this would be the case?





lordseth23
Yes, because free speech has its flaws and should not be used as a tool to make people feel isolated and inhumane.

Everything has its flaws. You have to weigh up the pros against the cons.


And the cons of free speech need to be eliminated.
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It's a huge joke on humanity driven by cynicism, the power to you is to ignore as much as you can get away with and govern your own life.
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all i hear is an idealist talking of change on an internet forum, but what have you done to make any of what you speak of happen?
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lordseth23
That does not make it impossible.


Virtually. In one lifetime at least.




lordseth23
Instead of listening to people and trying to see things from their point of view, you choose to belittle them and make them feel inhuman by calling them derogatory names.


Since when?
And don't try using the example of how I called you an entitled bitch for complaining about having to file out a goddamn paper.
Have some perspective.




lordseth23
Where did you get the impression that it is not commonly accepted throughout the scientific community?


Various articles and conversations with other people.
Not to mention: Babies.




lordseth23
And I am saying that in order to be a better person, you should not desire them.


Oh gee, I never thought of that. Well since it's that easy to override my humanity, I guess I'll just do that right now.




lordseth23
How is it not realistically feasible?


Because it essentially requires you to hivemind the entire planet.




lordseth23
Then we have the concept lose its meaning and promote empathy.


But once we lose freedom of expression as a valued concept, we also enforce the mindset that certain things are "taboo". And when things are "taboo", and cannot be spoken of, it means stagnation for said subject.





lordseth23
Why do you think this would be the case?


It's the natural result of everyone never having to hear anything unpleasant.




lordseth23
And the cons of free speech need to be eliminated.


And how to you propose we do that?
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