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What is the nature of reality?
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Arrogance is a buzzword for attempting to counter positions without a stable defense.

Exploring the "theoretical and esoteric" sides of reality is the product of thinking entirely too much. Most might consider the nature of reality as being a cruel and heartless bitch. To a minority of naive and insipid minds; a fairy tale where everything always works out. Reality is simply what is real, not the trippy, air-headedness musings of believers, whom invented ideas which ultimately lead to the detriment of practical developments for the greater good of humanity.

Theorizing is, at least scientifically, a relatively safe way to think without deluding the frail human consciousness into mere thought alone having any effect on reality. Prayer, for instance, is a delusional state entered into when those who can't and won't accept the difficulty of a real situation need assistance. It is a condition reflex similar to a child's, where they ask of their divine parent for the proverbial milk to console their nervous fidgeting.

Reality is only one thing and one thing alone; the one state of being of all things comprised of matter and energy. It's not magical in the sense of the esoteric. Only science may rationally and sensibly explain the nature of reality outside the primary definition, since it requires proof for it's laws. Faith is immediately discounted, since it requires no proof, rendering it technically insane.


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"Reality" is subjective only to human beings. Much like time is relative to only humans. I doubt animals (lesser organisms) ever question "reality". But wrap your minds around this: Everything we see is perceived in our minds only through the light spectrum that we are capable of seeing, there are spectrums that are beyond our optic capacity (much like there are sounds beyond our capacity of hearing them), but does that mean everything revolves around particle physics? Whay about the "subconscious"? So now ask yourself: what aren't you seeing? This may be a digression and irrelevant, I perceive reality as potentialities, and whatever conceived whether in the mind or in existence is a reality nonetheless. Is it attainable? Maybe so, or improbably not, but it is in existence nonetheless despite the intricacies remaining unsolved as to their tangible existence. Humans are gifted with the ability to transcend their reality, by creating infinite potentialities of reality and existence, by decision, though reading a fairy tale is about the same.
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I've always believed that reality is a mixture of human sensoral input filtered through personal history. While you can argue that there is a true reality, which is the physical world, even the physical world is subject to the mind. People with repressed memories alter their reality and can not be made to see any different reality. The same can be said for people who suffer from prolonged psychotic breaks, reality bends to the rules of the psychosis and there is no way to make that person believe that that reality is not true. I guess what i'm getting at is that the mind can override what i guess is imperical reality, so the question would be if you think it's real is it real?







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our reality is just what we tell each other it is (:
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Suppose reality is like a sword or a pot that an old fashioned blacksmith is forging. Suppose it's able to be shaped. The blacksmith wants the pot to have deep sides so he starts banging on the heated metal which bends forming those sides. Maybe reality is a bit like that. If you think hard enough, long enough maybe reality changes. An example would be that you need $100 extra dollars at the end of the month. You start to think really hard about the extra cash so you win it on a scratch off or maybe your boss offers you over time. You have now manifested the money that you need. That's just an example.
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It's absurd.
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turborobo wrote:


moneygrip3030 wrote:


turborobo wrote:


moneygrip3030 wrote:

"The quantum mind–body problem refers to the philosophical discussions of the mind–body problem in the context of quantum mechanics. Since quantum mechanics involves quantum superpositions, which are not perceived by observers, some interpretations of quantum mechanics place conscious observers in a special position".

"The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered. Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, religion, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", "alternative timelines", and "dimensional planes," among others".

I for one believe time is not linear but that we as humans are limited in our ability to perceive it as anything but linear do to our biological limitations (4th dimensional brain). I am also a firm believer in the Multiverse theory. Every action creates an alternate time line which can be considered an alternate reality or universe. This is due to the nature of observation on reality and that every choice has an infinite amount of outcomes. For those interested in these topics I highly suggest reading Greg Bears "The City at the End of Time". While fiction I believe it to be one of the finest works regarding timelines and the nature of the universe. It's also kick ass hard sci-fi with a dose of Clive Barker-ish dark fantasy thrown in for good measure. If that book doesn't tweak your melon well then I don't know what will....


Sounds real smarty pants so you might have to believe it.

How about we chalk it all up to different perspectives on reality coming from each conscious mind? Makes more sense than multiverses theories and other clever, but utterly useless, ideas.


Well there's no such thing as a useless idea. That's just arrogance, but yes everyone take on reality is different because it's filtered through your mind and experience. The point of the thread was to examine reality in a bit more esoteric and theoretical manner....


Arrogance is a buzzword for attempting to counter positions without a stable defense.

Exploring the "theoretical and esoteric" sides of reality is the product of thinking entirely too much. Most might consider the nature of reality as being a cruel and heartless bitch. To a minority of naive and insipid minds; a fairy tale where everything always works out. Reality is simply what is real, not the trippy, air-headedness musings of believers, whom invented ideas which ultimately lead to the detriment of practical developments for the greater good of humanity.

Theorizing is, at least scientifically, a relatively safe way to think without deluding the frail human consciousness into mere thought alone having any effect on reality. Prayer, for instance, is a delusional state entered into when those who can't and won't accept the difficulty of a real situation need assistance. It is a condition reflex similar to a child's, where they ask of their divine parent for the proverbial milk to console their nervous fidgeting.

Reality is only one thing and one thing alone; the one state of being of all things comprised of matter and energy. It's not magical in the sense of the esoteric. Only science may rationally and sensibly explain the nature of reality outside the primary definition, since it requires proof for it's laws. Faith is immediately discounted, since it requires no proof, rendering it technically insane.


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I always wonder whether people think Atheism is actually a religion, or if they are just trolling. Because if Atheism were a religion, then you could apply the same logic to just about anything.

"I'm of the fork religion"
"I'm of the water religion, I believe in water"

Since Atheists believe in things they can either observe, or that is reasonably explained with tested evidence. The limit is everything within physical reality. So people who think Atheism is a religion may as well just say that the belief in anything existing is a religion.

I'm not religious because I don't believe in a God. Just the same that I'm not religious for lacking the belief in ghosts, or the cosmic teapot.
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turborobo wrote:



>2013
>posting a motivator
>apppear



I always wonder whether people think Atheism is actually a religion, or if they are just trolling. Because if Atheism were a religion, then you could apply the same logic to just about anything.

"I'm of the fork religion"
"I'm of the water religion, I believe in water"

Since Atheists believe in things they can either observe, or that is reasonably explained with tested evidence. The limit is everything within physical reality. So people who think Atheism is a religion may as well just say that the belief in anything existing is a religion.

I'm not religious because I don't believe in a God. Just the same that I'm not religious for lacking the belief in ghosts, or the cosmic teapot.


Shows what people know when they think anyone who dismisses religion entirely is still religious. But what can you do? Stupid parents and other influencing people make children irreversibly stupid leading into embarrassingly stupid adulthood.
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Vega is just a huge troll, always has been, always will be. Starts controversial threads to start shit and watches the hilarity ensue.
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Atheism IS a religion. It didn't used to be but it is now. I'm not a kid either, I'm 36. I wish I were a kid again. Anyway it's like this. A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away atheism was not a religion. They were like "Oh, you believe? I don't. OK, no problem." Then one day they organized (the first step to becoming a religion.) They decided that anyone who believed in "Giant Pasta Monsters" or what not was a fool. Much like the Christians that came before them anyone who believed differently than they did was chastised.

A few more years passed and they were no longer content to just chastise people anymore. They began putting up anti-religious billboards in order to convert more people (just like so many other religions). They adopted a religious symbol (the atom) and began using it on their billboards (convert makers). Now all that missing is a god figure. In a manner of speaking science is the atheists god as they believe one day it will explain everything. In that manor it is all knowing. So now we do have a god figure. To sum it up...

Organization + conversion tactics + the damning of others beliefs + religious symbol + god figure = organized religion.

Atheists say they do not belong to a religion because to say they do would allow others to use the same tactics against atheists as atheists use against those of faith.

PS the picture is meant to make this point.
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Atheism IS a religion. It didn't used to be but it is now. I'm not a kid either, I'm 36. I wish I were a kid again. Anyway it's like this. A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away atheism was not a religion. They were like "Oh, you believe? I don't. OK, no problem." Then one day they organized (the first step to becoming a religion.) They decided that anyone who believed in "Giant Pasta Monsters" or what not was a fool. Much like the Christians that came before them anyone who believed differently than they did was chastised.

A few more years passed and they were no longer content to just chastise people anymore. They began putting up anti-religious billboards in order to convert more people (just like so many other religions). They adopted a religious symbol (the atom) and began using it on their billboards (convert makers). Now all that missing is a god figure. In a manner of speaking science is the atheists god as they believe one day it will explain everything. In that manor it is all knowing. So now we do have a god figure. To sum it up...

Organization + conversion tactics + the damning of others beliefs + religious symbol + god figure = organized religion.

Atheists say they do not belong to a religion because to say they do would allow others to use the same tactics against atheists as atheists use against those of faith.

PS the picture is meant to make this point.


Do you confuse your own stories with things that have actually happened?

You can't call anti-religion religion based on what you believe being truth denied by those who don't see it that way, nor call Atheism a religion due to some group of people setting a wrong example of a religious structured organization trying to destroy another. Gods exist to one set of brains, whereas there are none to others. I like to see it that way. Do you think that thoughts have an immediate change on the real nature of spirituality? "I believe there are gods," and with that, John Doe the Believer caused spirituality to exist.

"I think there aren't gods, and no gods can exist due to there having been no proof established for the amount of time any religion has existed in history, since there has been absolutely no credible eye witnesses to the existence of things of a spiritual nature proving the particular structure of any given religion. I also think that words from a book spoken by an ordinary person placed on a soapbox aren't necessarily true, because good authority should know how to provide physical evidence to back up any claim," proclaimed Jack Whoever the Filthy, Godless Heretical Infidel Dick that We Believers Feel is a Dick Due to Our Perspective On Non-Believing People Arrogantly Placing Themselves Above Everything Else, Including Whichever God(s) Almighty We Fear Wrath from for Not Supplicating and Surrendering Ourselves Before Them.
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so, a philosphical questioned turned to religion again huh. sigh. . . I thought about making my case but as soon as religion got thrown in the ring I knew the blinders came out and everyone involved suddenly got tunnel vision. . . this is why I hate people. I think I'm going to spend the next 20 years locked in a laboratory creating a new race of dog people.
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At this point I'm about 50% convinced that Vega is a troll, 30% convinced that he is actually an automated software program that randomly links from a catalog of videos and articles, which means that 19% of me thinks he might actually be serious. 100% of me laughs at the bullshit that ensues in his wake.
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