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Why are tax returns mandatory?
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Why would you jump to this conclussion? When did I complain about filling it out?




So if you ARE willing to fill out the form, this thread becomes nothing but a petty whine about some little inconveniece... Which is what it was to begin with anyways, but even more irrelevant, seeing as you actually are willing to fill them out regardless.


Well, of course I have them filled out, or else I would be in jail right now. No one asked you to post in this thread, please leave if you are just going to flame me.
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Stop fighting guys lol. @lord sooner or later you are going to see the relevance of it, just to keep it simple i'll just say money is an essential commodity your're going to need it.
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lordseth23
Why would you jump to this conclussion? When did I complain about filling it out?


When you created the thread.

"Why should I have to fill out a form for extra money that I do not want? Why can't the IRS just take the necessary funds out of my paycheck and leave it at that?"




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Well, of course I have them filled out, or else I would be in jail right now. No one asked you to post in this thread, please leave if you are just going to flame me.


No one asked me, no. But I feel it to be my obligation to make you a bit more self-aware.
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Sorry, this is not the place to impose your morals on me.
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Talk about being fucking ungrateful.
You live in one of the best countries in the world, with heaps of luxuries, and yet you still have the nerve to complain about having to fill out a form that will grant you more luxury? Who do you think you are?


So, supposing that I do not agree with the sentiment that this is one of the best countries in the world, and that most of the luxuries I do enjoy, I have to purchase from private companies, or hire private services, as being less shitty than that provided by the public, and that my tax money have been wasted away by the government not providing these 'heaps of luxuries', am I still entitled to pay the government? In other word, should I continue to give the government funds to continue doing a shitty job at everything?


Don't you think they're working on establishing a proper tax rate? If it was that simple, I'm pretty sure they would've done it already. That would make sense, don't you think?


Not really, the wanker politicians will not vote for something fair, they'll vote for something that only benefits other rich wankers like them.

The average pay of a Congressman is 175 thousand dollars per annum, they aren't going to write into law something that makes them pay more of our money that they speant on themselves.


And if you don't care about it, then what's the problem? Just leave it there.
Or even better, fill out the form and send the money to someone else. To a charity organization. Some place where it can do some good.
How about taking that little time out of your life to making someone else's lives better instead of complaining about having to fill out a form like an entitled little bitch?


Agreed with the sentiment there.
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Either way its still a hassle~ T,T
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figure_09 wrote:

Why don't you call them and ask them these questions or better yet, write to your local governor with these questions?

I'm sure this law was not made from them to benefit from, something is usually mandatory if enough people have had concerns about it over the years.


What I don't understand is why it is mandatory. Why can't it just be optional if the only person that benefits from it is yourself?
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I live in Canada and it is not mandatory to file a tax return but you must do so under certain situations. These would be said situations:

Do you have to file a return?

You must file a return for 2012 if any of the following situations apply:

You have to pay tax for 2012.

We sent you a request to file a return.

You and your spouse or common-law partner elected to split pension income for 2012. See lines 115, 116, 129, and 210.

You received working income tax benefit (WITB) advance payments in 2012.

You disposed of capital property in 2012 (for example, if you sold real estate or shares) or you realized a taxable capital gain (for example, if a mutual fund or trust attributed amounts to you, or you are reporting a capital gains reserve you claimed on your 2011 return).

You have to repay any of your old age security or employment insurance benefits. See line 235.

You have not repaid all amounts withdrawn from your registered retirement savings plan (RRSP) under the Home Buyers' Plan or the Lifelong Learning Plan. For more information, see Guide RC4135, Home Buyers' Plan (HBP) or Guide RC4112, Lifelong Learning Plan (LLP).

You have to contribute to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP). This can apply if, for 2012, the total of your net self-employment income and pensionable employment income is more than $3,500. See line 222.

You are paying employment insurance premiums on self-employment and other eligible earnings. See lines 317 and 430.

Even if none of these requirements apply, you may still want to file a return if any of the following situations apply:

You want to claim a refund.

You want to claim the WITB for 2012.

You want to apply for the GST/HST credit (including any related provincial credits). For example, you may be eligible if you turn 19 before April 2014.

You or your spouse or common-law partner want to begin or continue receiving Canada child tax benefit payments, including related provincial or territorial benefit payments.

You have incurred a non-capital loss (see line 236) in 2012 that you want to be able to apply in other years.

You want to carry forward or transfer the unused part of your tuition, education, and textbook amounts (see line 323).

You want to report income for which you could contribute to an RRSP in order to keep your RRSP deduction limit for future years up to date.

You want to carry forward the unused investment tax credit on expenditures you incurred during the current year (see line 412).

You receive the guaranteed income supplement or allowance benefits under the old age security program. You can usually renew your benefit simply by filing your return by April 30.


The way I see it, you have to file a tax return to qualify for certain benefits...or if you have a job because the government needs to know how much money you are making. If you are making a significant amount of money on the side you technically have to pay taxes on that money as well.
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lordseth23 wrote:What I don't understand is why it is mandatory. Why can't it just be optional if the only person that benefits from it is yourself?

As RavingDragon said... it actually is not mandatory to file taxes unless you received taxable income that did not have the taxes paid on it when you received them or for some reason you end up owing the government more tax than you paid.

That said it really is in your benefit to file taxes if there is any chance of a refund. I know I am around 2k more in the black because I filed.
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Taxes are illegal.
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turborobo wrote:

It really is stupid that a portion of your income is held by the government only to end up getting most or all of it back. If they want to tax people, make it permanent.


That extra money they take is used for other purposes. They borrow that money from us for the entire year, interest free. This is why I pay as little income tax as possible and just pay the gov't what they require come tax time. Id rather take all my hard earned money and use it to make more money.
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lordseth23 wrote:

Why should I have to fill out a form for extra money that I do not want? Why can't the IRS just take the necessary funds out of my paycheck and leave it at that?


You have to fill out the tax return to show the government that you paid in the required amount of money for what you made minus any deductions. Your employer deducts money based on how much you earn and how many deductions you claimed last year. They do not know if you have another job which does not deduct income or if you are very wealthy and make money off your investments both of which the government also wants its share of.

What bothers me about the US tax system is that I pay a third party to interact with my government for the sake of tax purposes. I think I should be able to go to the IRS website and enter my info in rather that going to H&Rblock.com or some other site.
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mamertine wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:

Why should I have to fill out a form for extra money that I do not want? Why can't the IRS just take the necessary funds out of my paycheck and leave it at that?


You have to fill out the tax return to show the government that you paid in the required amount of money for what you made minus any deductions. Your employer deducts money based on how much you earn and how many deductions you claimed last year. They do not know if you have another job which does not deduct income or if you are very wealthy and make money off your investments both of which the government also wants its share of.

What bothers me about the US tax system is that I pay a third party to interact with my government for the sake of tax purposes. I think I should be able to go to the IRS website and enter my info in rather that going to H&Rblock.com or some other site.


You can file yourself, just not online. I filled my first income tax return myself. Im 100% sure that if the IRS offered an online filing option, it would be overly complicated and fees would most certainly be involved...
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Posted 2/16/13
Very true, I have filed using paper. Once I graduated from the 1040ez it became too complex for my taste to use paper.
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As much as I hate filing or organizing taxes for my parents, I will fare through it, for tax payment is a civic duty.
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