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Is a woman’s life pointless without children?
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Kiritoe wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


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Tis' your mental age, you have the mind of a five year old. I suggest a cure for this immature questioning illness at once.


How do I have a mind of a five year old?

There is no such thing as an "immature questioning illness". Only mature people are willing to ask questions when they do not understand something. The smartest individuals ask the most questions, because they have a better comprehension of how mysterious the human psyche can be, as well as nature in general. The only immature person here is you and your delusional mind.


Oh I just love this thread...


I do too, but it's getting rather old.
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Shrapnel893 wrote:


Kiritoe wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:


Tis' your mental age, you have the mind of a five year old. I suggest a cure for this immature questioning illness at once.


How do I have a mind of a five year old?

There is no such thing as an "immature questioning illness". Only mature people are willing to ask questions when they do not understand something. The smartest individuals ask the most questions, because they have a better comprehension of how mysterious the human psyche can be, as well as nature in general. The only immature person here is you and your delusional mind.


Oh I just love this thread...


I do too, but it's getting rather old.

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awwwwwww!!! the shows over?!
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I didn't think I wanted children when I was a wee bit younger but now that I'm fast approaching 30, I feel that I'm missing out and seem to have this desire to want to have children. I myself have not had a girlfriend or been in any relationships but I have three brothers that have had kids and all of them have grown up, and I guess that's what it's about. Watching your own children grow up is an aspiration in its self. I would love to have kids now before my parents die but I think I may have missed that opportunity.
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I didn't think I wanted children when I was a wee bit younger but now that I'm fast approaching 30, I feel that I'm missing out and seem to have this desire to want to have children. I myself have not had a girlfriend or been in any relationships but I have three brothers that have had kids and all of them have grown up, and I guess that's what it's about. Watching your own children grow up is an aspiration in its self. I would love to have kids now before my parents die but I think I may have missed that opportunity.


Adoption?
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That's such a outdated view from the 1900s of Little House On The Prairie.

If a woman doesn't want to have kids, it's stupid to sit there and berate them like some Vegan against a meat eater. Let em be and let them live THEIR life.
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You never know, things do change as you get older. Originally I never wanted to have kids but as I'm getting older my views and opinions as well as my values are changing. I work with children after I go to school and I love working with them. Before this job you'd never catch me dead saying I liked working with kids! See what I mean?

As for an education now aday's you need one to get by it's no longer the man being the only breadwinner, and the wife whom stays at home cooking and cleaning. Even with two people working people are still struggling. Minimum wage is nice when you don't have to worry about bills, a house, a car, or any other problems as a high school student. But it get's old so fast and no one should have to live with a hand to their mouth every month. I respect every single person who works minimum wage especially to those whom deal with the public because people can royally suck. With a good job it means you enjoy yourself, and you don't have to worry about how your going to pay for your things. I've seen many people do this and worry about bills. It's not easy on a marriage, trust me I've seen it happen with my own parents.

The other end of the spectrum is you don't always have to have money, family, or a job to be happy either. So I do understand what your saying even though I'm probably contradicting myself here somewhere.

One last thing: COOL AVATAR! I find it neat!
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offspring = happiness??
happiness = happiness

Is a woman's life pointless without children (offspring)?
nah, do whatever makes you happy = win

@Flyingdumpling, what is your dream btw
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A woman's life isn't pointless without children unless she for some reason decides it is.

Here's some problems with the mere notion that a woman's life could be pointless without children, though:

1. It's highly sexist. Is a male's life incomplete without children? No, not really, or rather we don't see nearly that much of that floating around. Nobody tells a guy his life would be empty without children. They might tell him that he should get married, but nobody says "you have to have children or you're a failure to your sex."

2. The idea that a woman's sole job is to bear and raise children is exceptionally outdated. For some reason, though, people keep bringing it back like it's still relevant, and this is why nobody takes a woman at her word when she says "I don't want children." Even though it should be her prerogative and hers alone whether or not she has kids, they tut-tut and say, "well, you'll change your mind later" or "you say that now, but..." and various other awful things. Here's the thing--it is okay to change your mind, but it should not be expected of you and certainly should not be forced on you. Choosing not to reproduce should be every bit as valid a choice as the other choice. (It is also okay to enjoy sex without wanting a kid. People who say otherwise are highly misinformed and in all likelihood are either quite misogynist or have internalized a lot of societal misogyny, and in any case if there are people in your life who are willing to say nonsense like that repeatedly you should probably ditch them. It's not their job to police your body and certainly none of their business.)

3. A woman is capable of living a perfectly fulfilled life without kids. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

Kids come with schedules to work around and teachers who may or may not be jerks to interact with and other children who may be vicious to them. They come with hard questions to answer and myriad hurts you don't remember ever getting in your own childhood. They come with medical expenses and the cost of outfitting rapidly growing limbs and they eat and cry and make noise. They alternately worry and infuriate their parents, who may hurt them in return unintentionally or not, and anything that is out of the ordinary about their psyches they may choose to blame on the people whose genes they carry. Kids come with tuitions to pay and textbooks to buy or borrow or rent. Kids come with rebelliousness and screaming fights and a world that may not be kind to them. Sure, some people feel that it's fulfilling to raise them! Children aren't, however, in any way a reliable means towards fulfillment. They are not the chemical X that makes your life complete. You have to find that on your own. Pressure and expectations towards having kids won't help you there, and everyone involved all around will probably be unhappy if you find you're not emotionally, physically, or financially prepared to handle the enormous amount of stress they will put on you.

There was somebody earlier in the thread who brought up the idea of children being your legacy, which is a little... well.

Personally, it seems to me that the notion of children being a "legacy" is a little dehumanizing, given that it sort of overrides anything else the kid(s) in question may be. It isn't really fair to blot out everything else the kids have achieved or will achieve with things like "daughter of Jane Doe" when they could be, say, "Jean who's great at rock-climbing and likes clothes" or "Jean who wants to go pro with archery" or "Jean who's going to revolutionize the fashion world." If the only focus on the kid is that they are a record of your passage through the mundane world, you may as well build a statue or commission yourself a plaque somewhere, because that's sort of uncomfortably close to having a trophy child.

Some people in the thread seem to be of the "I used to think I didn't want kids, but I've changed my stance" party. Good for them, I guess. That's their own decision, though. In any case, one isn't allowed to simply declare your life pointless. Sometimes it takes a little soul-searching, so to speak; sometimes it just comes to you, but either way it's your life, so it's up to you to do something with it.
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offspring = happiness??
happiness = happiness

Is a woman's life pointless without children (offspring)?
nah, do whatever makes you happy = win

@Flyingdumpling, what is your dream btw


Her dream is to be the very best like no one ever was.
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Who cares?

Personally, I think if you don't own a cat, your life is utterly devoid of any kind of chance at happiness.
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well if you wanna believe in evolution then yeah, but the same would be said for men. Some animals die right an egg has been fertilized
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Her dream is to be the very best like no one ever was.


To catch them is her real test, to train them is her cause

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I don't think so. Nobody NEEDS kids to be happy.
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Kids are one way to contribute to a society. There are others: teaching, volunteering, advocating, creating (to name a few).
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