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'Racist' Duke fraternity party angers Asians
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That's not racism folks, that's just a funny play on words for a themed party. Racism comes from a place of anger, hatred, and fear. This was just utilizing funny stereotypes to promote a fun time at a college party. People get butthurt over the simplest things nowadays. Consider yourself lucky you were not born 100 years ago, cause if you are offended by this then you would not survive a day back in the day.
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Yeah, that's offensive. Irritating at best, racist at worst.
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Wiliest wrote:

That's not racism folks, that's just a funny play on words for a themed party. Racism comes from a place of anger, hatred, and fear. This was just utilizing funny stereotypes to promote a fun time at a college party. People get butthurt over the simplest things nowadays. Consider yourself lucky you were not born 100 years ago, cause if you are offended by this then you would not survive a day back in the day.


Stereotyping races is... well, racism.
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Long story short, a fraternity proposed an asian themed party where people dressed up in "asian" clothing and sent out an invitation with the words "Herro (Hello) Chank you (Thank you) etc". The university originally denied this proposition when they first heard about the party so the fraternity changed the name of the party from "Asia Prime" to "International Relations" -___-

After reading some comments on various websites, what bothered me is not so much the party itself
But there were people arguing that it was not racist and no one should be that offended by it.

Seriously, how are you possibly telling people that this is not racist when the party was clearly ridiculing Asian people, on top of that telling us not to be offended

Was it racist? Were people over reacting?
Was it not something Asians (anyone) should be offended by?

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It's always has been a slippery slope even with the best of intentions, more often than not it gets abuse and used to silence controversial opinions, the first targets of censorship and the most in need of protection.
Besides, making racist speech illegal will not erase hate and prejudice, and it almost certainly will not stop the speech.


Then why not eliminate racism altogether by educating people?
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What’s offensive is that Asian Americans don't intend to speak with the particular pronunciation alluded to in the e-mails. It's a byproduct of our best attempt to assimilate to the English language and American dialect, so it plays to an insecurity regarding our sense of assimilation to your culture in deriving humor from it. It makes us feel as though we are not equal Americans to those who have never had to adapt or change their language or accent. It just seems unnecessarily cruel for American society to not learn from its own past pain and try not to exact it on others.
With all that said, if this were a private group, I couldn't care less what they were doing. They're only hurting their own reputations (and the schools) and making clear to the world the kind of people they are.
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No, I don't condone violence of any kind. You're just trying to start an argument so you can play a victim. If you want to use your freedom of speech to say you want it censored, I am allowed to use mine to tell you, in all respect, to go fuck a rake sideways.
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Wiliest wrote:

That's not racism folks, that's just a funny play on words for a themed party. Racism comes from a place of anger, hatred, and fear. This was just utilizing funny stereotypes to promote a fun time at a college party. People get butthurt over the simplest things nowadays. Consider yourself lucky you were not born 100 years ago, cause if you are offended by this then you would not survive a day back in the day.


Stereotyping races is... well, racism.


If that were the case then we all would be racists as the very way we store information and learn from that information is by stereotyping things.
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What’s offensive is that Asian Americans don't intend to speak with the particular pronunciation alluded to in the e-mails. It's a byproduct of our best attempt to assimilate to the English language and American dialect, so it plays to an insecurity regarding our sense of assimilation to our culture in deriving humor from it. It makes us feel as though we are not equal Americans to those who have never had to adapt or change their language or accent. It just seems unnecessarily cruel for American society to not learn from its own past pain and try not to exact it on others.
With all that said, if this were a private group, I couldn't care less what they were doing. They're only hurting their own reputations (and the schools) and making clear to the world the kind of people they are.


Exactly, it is an attempt to make Asians feel like they are lesser human beings. There is no need for it, and it needs to eliminated from the human condition as soon as possible.
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phogan wrote:


It's always has been a slippery slope even with the best of intentions, more often than not it gets abuse and used to silence controversial opinions, the first targets of censorship and the most in need of protection.
Besides, making racist speech illegal will not erase hate and prejudice, and it almost certainly will not stop the speech.


Then why not eliminate racism altogether by educating people?


Because educating people would not eliminate racism.

In general people tend to not be comfortable around people that look and act different from themselves and what they are used to being around.

You simply can't legislate people's feelings good or bad because it's a matter of subjectivity and everyone has different views when it comes to what constitutes what's racist and what's not.

Just like this Duke case here. Some people are going to find it completely racist, and some aren't going to feel it's racist but in poor taste, and some are going to view it as not an issue because it's just some kids poking a little fun at another culture.
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Wiliest wrote:


tehstud wrote:

Stereotyping races is... well, racism.


If that were the case then we all would be racists as the very way we store information and learn from that information is by stereotyping things.


I said stereotyping 'races', in particular, is racist, not stereotyping in general. Does that make sense?
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How am I trying to start an argument?
Why do you hate me so much?


Because you're sitting there saying that "freedom of speech" should be abolished. Why must you play the victim card in every argument you start on here?

Seriously, It's freedom of speech that gives you the right to post the asinine anarcho-fascist bullshit in extended discussion all day.

I don't "hate" you, I just think you're an idiot.
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Oh, some friendly advice... Do not bother with Lordseth23, he is obviously trolling.
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lordseth23 wrote:


Wiliest wrote:


If that were the case then we all would be racists as the very way we store information and learn from that information is by stereotyping things.


Then we need to stop stereotyping people, there is no need for that kind of information.


I just said that was impossible. The very way our brain learns is by categorically sorting and comparing new experiences and knowledge with previous experiences and knowledge. The way you can tell something is a "bird" is by comparing it with your ideal version of what a bird is. Most of the time though that ideal version, or prototype, is slightly different than what you are observing in the moment. This process, as I am sure you can tell by now, naturally creates stereotypes out of necessity.

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Oh, some friendly advice... Do not bother with Lordseth23, he is obviously trolling.


Still new here, the amount of idiotic BS posted about religion/government/etc makes me either think everyone is trolling, or actually just 12 year olds.

Thanks for the tip, is there an ignore button on this thing?
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