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'Racist' Duke fraternity party angers Asians
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Posted 2/13/13
Makes perfect sense.
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Things don't have to be illegal to be harmful though; and, for that matter, racism isn't defined by the legality of something or whether there's malicious intent. For example, I myself know that I've unintentionally said racist things in the past; but I was called out on it by friends that I hurt, and learnt from it so I didn't make that mistake again.

In the specific case of this party, I think it's racist. The trivialization (and mockery) of multiple cultures and perpetuation of stereotypes is harmful. The fact that no one is physically hurt doesn't change that. Freedom of speech is great, but people should still be taught when things they say or do are problematic.
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There is overt then there is covert. Overt is what you see racist groups do (deny admission, use violence, threaten, hateful speech). Overt is like the party. Here's a better example, in college, I was one of several minorities. In a class of 40, there were 3 of us. Now, we weren't physically harmed and no one said any type of racial slur, but you knew it was there from how we were treated. We were ignored, left out, etc. This party is just another form of it. Basically what I'm saying is it doesn't have to be physical to be racist.
Now, should it be stopped, ideally. Will it stop, nope. You can make laws to curb the s#!t, but you can't change people's minds. If you find it offensive, fight back. To me, it's offensive...but their day is coming..
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The thing is, even words and actions that are not physical can harm the body, mind, and spirit.
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I think the party itself was fine, but the Kim Jong Il photo would have made me put on a Hello Kitty mask and beat the crap out of whoever composed that e-mail.
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Just to clarify: things that are racist ARE illegal in America. Things that are actually proven to be racist have historically been proven to be prosecutable. If these individuals are able to be brought up on real charges, then their actions MAY have been racist. As it stands now, they are protected under the right to both freedom of expression AND freedom of speech. In our hatred, we are always so quick to throw away or redefine the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, yet we don't understand that without it being worded the way it is, we couldn't have the fundamental freedoms we so take for granted, the Internet you made your reply on being one of them.

Though the KKK demonstrations were harmful to me (a black man) they were allowed to express their freedom of speech in peaceful protest. You know that they have no power and that words or expressions by themselves are nothing. It is when those words turn into acts that infringe upon basic rights to live in peace that we consider them racist acts. This party was distasteful and disrespectful yes, but while disrespect may have temporary repercussions, racism has lasting and profound effects. These children had no power other than their right to demonstrate. Just like a comedian can go on stage and talk about whatever they want.

So, are we willing to sacrifice the rights of many to stop the childish antics of the few? Don't be so hasty to call for sweeping and ultimately unknowable changes to the lives of hundreds of millions of people just to soothe a scraped knee...

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My closet friend is Korean American and he loves my subtle racist shenanigans, but things like this...too far...much too far.
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I'm sorry, but I think you and I have very different definitions of what racism is. To me, the legality is not what defines it. It's not illegal for an individual to form an opinion of someone purely based on their race, but it's still racist.

Mocking cultures and perpetuating stereotypes has lasting effects, both on a large scale an on a small. Having it implied to you that you'll only ever be [insert stereotype here] and nothing more to people is dehumanising and can be incredibly psychologically damaging. There are politicians in power even now who propose laws and try to control people based on negative stereotypes, and gain support because there are people who haven't been taught what's wrong about that yet. I'd much rather speak out about what I find wrong about that than 'grow tougher skin' or 'learn to laugh about it' or whatever else.

To be frank, I think you've missed what I was saying completely. At no point have I said there shouldn't be freedom of speech or expression; but people are perfectly entitled to use theirs to show that they are offended, and do not consider this to be acceptable behavior.
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sillyriri wrote:


CABarrett wrote:



I'm sorry, but I think you and I have very different definitions of what racism is. To me, the legality is not what defines it. It's not illegal for an individual to form an opinion of someone purely based on their race, but it's still racist.

Mocking cultures and perpetuating stereotypes has lasting effects, both on a large scale an on a small. Having it implied to you that you'll only ever be [insert stereotype here] and nothing more to people is dehumanising and can be incredibly psychologically damaging. There are politicians in power even now who propose laws and try to control people based on negative stereotypes, and gain support because there are people who haven't been taught what's wrong about that yet. I'd much rather speak out about what I find wrong about that than 'grow tougher skin' or 'learn to laugh about it' or whatever else.

To be frank, I think you've missed what I was saying completely. At no point have I said there shouldn't be freedom of speech or expression; but people are perfectly entitled to use theirs to show that they are offended, and do not consider this to be acceptable behavior.


I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. I believe that stereotypes and racism are two very different things that confused people lump together. A stereotype is most times born of harmless ignorance, whereas, as history has shown, racism is a learned and deliberate act. If you are saying that history is wrong, and that there are somehow covert acts of racism that are merely people expressing their opinions, I think your view of racism is fundamentally flawed. By your view, using your definition of racism as an example, just about everyone can be labeled a walking racist for a few misguided opinions. No, going back to my original post, racism should be taken much more seriously and the term should not be casually thrown around and labeled on everyone. That is why we have so many words to describe abhorrent behavior and that is why we have so many protections in place.

I do not believe (and perhaps it is the optimist in me) that all White people present at the desegregation of Little Rock High School were racist. I believe that some Whites there supported the desegregation secretly. Some had no opinion, and yet others were simply there supporting their loved ones. However, we see pictures and reenactments of the little black girls being heckled by the onlookers. Those hecklers made the group look racist, but was everyone there a racist? You can only judge those that were deliberate in their act. You do not know, you can not know, what an individual thinks, simply by looking at a group. And this is my fundamental argument. The party was not an intentional, deliberate, all implicit act to demoralize or degrade the Asian community as a whole, therefore, based on common knowledge of past racist acts, we can clearly define this party/gathering/etc for what it is... Ignorantly stereotypical.

So what then is a stereotype? And can a stereotype alone be directly harmful enough to be considered a form of racism? These questions can be answered by examining a past example as well. Take the events that lead to the Holocaust, one of the most vile and arguably most racist acts ever committed in human history. Prior to the events of the Holocaust there WERE stereotypes started by the Nazis about Jews in their propaganda. But were those stereotypes actual racism? Not by themselves. The people were disenfranchised by the decrees placed by the party. The stereotypes were served up as a mild justification of a policy of hatred, that policy was the direct disenfranchisement of the Jewish people. Anyone can be a victim of stereotyping and a stereotype can easily be proven false by simply observing ones actions. However, when you impose your will upon another human being, it is then that racism is taking root.

This is my opinion of racism.

Thank you.
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Oh get over it, it's taking the piss out of a stereotype.

You'll live.
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personally i found the "chank you" part funny because it made me think of chang from the show community, but this is racist and they should be put on probation at that college or someything
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Racist Asian caricatures have been around forever, so while it comes as a surprise to no one at all that a bunch of shitty rich kids are doing it, that doesn't make it funny, or cute, or less of a snub. Perpetuating stuff like this is good for no one. Saying, "it's just a joke," is merely excusing deplorable behavior.
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It's definitely racist, but that needs to be factored into the environment it was produced in:

I'm a very irreverent person, so I don't take anything seriously: any form of humor, even self-deprecating, doesn't bother me if it's just for fun. I wonder sometimes why people take things seriously when it's clearly in good fun.

It was a party, not a political rally. It was created by a bunch of college students that wanted to get drunk and have fun. Just laugh about it, even if you're laughing at the people who did it and their lack of judgment. That makes everything better.
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That's racist. Just because someone is trying to be funny doesn't make it any less racist. It just so happens that this particular incident is so lame that it insults the racism even further. Really though? Herro? Chank you? I thought this kinda crap died YEARS ago. Its pretty fuggin pathetic. Pathetically racist. There ya go. Smh at these basic bitches.
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You know whats funny? I constantly see Asian shows stereotyping and criticizing western culture. But I don't get mad and call them racist.

Take the anime Code Geass for example. This is basically a sci-fi retelling of when the USA occupied Japan. They're basically saying we're evil and had an unfair advantage because of demon tech created by Satan. (exaggeration but whatever)

That may not be the best example. But countless Asian media constantly insults westerners.

If this party is to be condemned for being racist... (which it is) Then perhaps westerners should condemn all Asians for wearing western style clothing EVERYDAY. And speaking poor English on TV.
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