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I'm sure most of us know that ecchi isn't one of people's favorite genres, which I have come to accept that. If I see a forum that can be translated into "the genre you don't like," ecchi will make an appearance without fail. I can accept most of people's reasons, but lately one that's really begun to irritate me is when people say something along the lines of "it has no plot." Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's impossible. From my understanding of English classes, a plot is the series of events that occur in a story. Therefore, without a plot, a show can't exist.

Secondly, what annoys me a little is when we get shows like Highschool DxD and the thing they say is "It would be better if it wasn't ecchi." You enjoyed it the way it was; why change it? I have seen people say that they didn't like ecchi say that DxD was an exception because of its good story. Even despite that, when Natsume Yuujinchou Shi was above HIghschool DxD in sales at the end of the season, I saw someone comment "I'm glad to see that there are some people who prefer story or mindless fanservice"- please note that I am paraphrasing as it was early last year. It's like ecchi and plot can't be one for some people.

Don't get me wrong, when you see fans of an ecchi show say thing like "Ecchi doesn't need plot" or "I watch it for it's plot!" which means that they're being sarcastic; it doesn't help matters. I've seen people comment I've watched show like Maken-ki, HIghschool DxD, Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, Sekirei, and recently Vividred Operation for it's plot and its fanservice. Sometimes it's not until late in the season as with Rogue Hero, but I have been caught up with these shows plot that at times I don't even care about the ecchi at moments.
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HEY!! I Happen to like ecchi... tentacle-porn not so much, but I like ecchi as long as the story is entertaining... and the main protagonist (usually a guy) isn't an irritating forever-virgin.
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Speaking in broad strokes here: Generally, when people say something is "plotless" they mean it is either extremely lacking or generic, or they mean to say the plot is so absurdly thin it's barely there. I don't think that's in anyway an ill description of most echii series. That isn't to say you can't enjoy it, nor to say it's inherently bad. It's clearly doing it's job, that is.
I don't think you should even bother trying to defend echii, because the assumptions of echii are, well, correct. They lack depth, they have minimal plot at best and whatever they have is extremely generic, and it's genuinely is just fanservice in a fancier coat.
Of course, I may not be the best to say that; I'm not a huge consumer of echii series nor do I ever plan on getting into the genre. But of what I've seen, Highschool DxD and Vivdred Operation among those, I found these observations to be true. Whether or not that makes the genre bad is just a matter of opinion. It's not like your bad for liking it or anything, so why bother giving it extra credit it honestly doesn't deserve?
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Obviously, an appreciative audience exists or there wouldn't be so much available. . .maybe some folks are just embarrassed by their viewing choices. I watch Vividred Operation and feel that it is becoming better as it progresses.
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Posted 2/17/13
Ecchi is stupid.
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Highschool DxD had a good story?? whaaat? who said that?

I like harem ecchi shows a lot but even I don't think DxD had a good story imo :/
Sekirei has the better plot if we're comparing them (I'm being totally serious)

ok back on topic, so basically what you're saying is that you dislike it when people seem to conclude that if you have ecchi in a show, you can't have a good plot, am I right?

this can be hard to argue with others that some one is in the wrong because both sides will claim they're right, and if one side is somehow proven wrong, we get the opposing argument that "it's my opinion and you can't persuade me otherwise"

IMO, good plots are not in any way bound by ecchi levels of the show
you can have ecchi scenes and still have a great story, there is no rule where it says you can have one but not the other
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We dont watch for a plot........ We watch for the BOOBS!!!!


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Ecchi as fanservice to an already good plot, this is the best form of ecchi, imo. Omamori Himari had lots of depth to it and ecchi moments were also in line with the plot. I'd say that's the best mix of fanservice and plot if we are looking for the minimax solution of the two variables. I thought the whole point of calling it ecchi is to acknowledge that it does indeed have a reasonably strong plot. If it's just smut then call it that. (Although, the marketing department is now chasing me through the parking lot with crowbars, ttyl)
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To Love Ru - Motto To Love Ru - To Love Ru Darkness. It lacks story but better. Much better than other Ecchis. My opinion though..
The fanservice here is too obvious. Randomly views that stops current happening. Always those sound effects in the background.
Well I like the series. I watch it like regular anime. It has Seinen inside so I suppose it form in next season. Still Lalas stupid inventions that makes simple situations. That is how yami and Rito sleeps in the same bed. Because of a glue invetion of Lala. Non realistic ways but I like the character development though. My favourite in harem comedy styles. Go Yui Chan!
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If an anime presents itself in the beginning as ecchi I have no problem watching it. I don't have a stick up my ass about it like some, but when you have a case of something like SAO where it started out tame in the fan service department then goes off the rails in the second arc that's a problem.

Fan service can be a useful tool in a lot of genres, it can also hinder an anime if it doesn't feel appropriate. Just about every anime has a swimsuit/public bath episode so it's kinda hard to get away from it. I just tolerate it when it feels out of place but if it is a part of the series to begin with I don't mind it at all.
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people who think ecchi is plotless fanservice are generally those who watch very few ecchi shows, or if they even watch a show, they only watch one or two episodes before they classify it as "plotless garbage", when the plot hasn't even started yet. there are plenty of ecchi shows that have good stories, people just don't give them a chance. Omamori Himari, Sekirei, Rogue Hero, Vividred, Strike Witches.. all decent ecchi shows that have a good plot.
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As I have never seen. Non explicit and explicit anime as one anime before. Does it exist? What western defines ''Hentai'' Japan would say ''Poruno Anime or ''Ero Anime'' Still I have not found any serious Ero Animes. I suppose that is only in real life love and eros goes hand in hand. It is not something you find in the public right? I know there are some CG games and other visual Novels. THose are of course not produced or sent over internet or outside Japan at all. Evene there it is hard to find. It is like a rare thing. Underground companies. Does it exist? When I bought Tony Taka with T2 Works. I paid a lot in EMS shipping and the collection of censored and uncencsored stuff. When I recieve I find a censored produced book. Well that's Japanese Regulations for ya. Can't really blame them as some people can't keep their mouth shut. In the last five years I have seen a lot of changes in it so I can just hope but not expect. If I do I would be dissapointed anyway.
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aidenraine wrote:

people who think ecchi is plotless fanservice are generally those who watch very few ecchi shows, or if they even watch a show, they only watch one or two episodes before they classify it as "plotless garbage", when the plot hasn't even started yet. there are plenty of ecchi shows that have good stories, people just don't give them a chance. Omamori Himari, Sekirei, Rogue Hero, Vividred, Strike Witches.. all decent ecchi shows that have a good plot.


Agree, and you can add Astarotte's Toy to that list. The first episode made me shudder thinking about what this show was gonna be like but by ep 4 I was blown away by how touching of a story it really was. As one of the commenters joked "I came for the ecchi but stayed for the family values"
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I will say this clearly.

If you can filter out ecchi, you will see plot.

The people who say things have no plot, because of too much ecchi, it simply means they haven't watched enough anime, and also noobs.
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Posted 2/17/13
Those people are more interested in freaky fapping instead of watching the anime. Same goes for me. I once was the same.
And I was a noob. I need to think about morale when watching those series not things that happens ''in other places''.
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