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PS4...is coming
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Posted 2/22/13 , edited 2/22/13
Eeh, sony need to realise one thing. Making console hardware any more powerful than the competitors is totally worthless. Either a game will be developed for console, in which case its made to work on the lowest common denominator, or it'll be made for all systems, essentially just being a PC version with specific settings locked in for each console. Console players clearly dont care about having the extra power anyway, if they did they'd get a PC since you simply cant compete on that front.

What do they need? Something to aid early adoption, this means either a majorly amazing launch lineup (So far they havent announced anything especially interesting, or if its interesting its more the lack of any real information that makes it interesting) or some form of backwards comparability. The fact that they're having this 'pay for a streamed backwards compatibility' thing is just a bit of a kick tbh, its going to run less smooth, Im going to have to pay for a game I already own and all my prior support of the company is useless? So why would I ever buy a launch PS4 rather than wait 6-9 months for the inevitable launch price decrease. If they insist on this pay for the stream service they should probably give away X month trials with those PS4s bought early on. Just seems a bit strange since sony have been absolutely fantastic when it comes to reasonable prices for good services, just look at playstation+ compared to XBL

As far as hardware goes, are you kidding me its running on an X86 processor with 8 GB of ram and 'some graphics processing'. Thats nothing compared to even a midrange PC, I spent around £450 on my rig and its sitting at 16 GB of ram, a 3.8 I7 and a fairly under powered 7770HD G-card. Im honestly expecting lower specs than that, probably for like £350, all so you can be locked into a system with no upgrade potential and no mod support.... I think not in this day and age
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Um mipegg... you obviously haven't really paid attention to the actual processing power the device has, are you? In terms of actual power, it is roughly equivalent to mid-high end pcs. Remember that consoles get more bang for their proverbial buck since they have less fluff running in the background than a computer does and they're tailormade rather than being random hardware thrown together.
Here's a good article on the subject: http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/20/spec-wars-start-for-the-ps4-heres-what-a-chip-expert-say-about-its-potential-performance/

Overall potential performance is around 1.84 teraflops of computing power. To quote the article in case you don't want to read: “It’s very comparable to a mid- to high-end gaming PC,” Krewell said. “Even though the CPU is combined with the GPU on one die, like most PC processors today, the higher bandwidth memory and custom design indicates it should have graphics performance more like a discrete GPU found in a gaming PC.”

But the console experience isn't really so much about power. It's about the couch gaming experience. As far as launch lineup goes, well that's what E3 is for...

As far as backwards compatibility goes... we don't know what type of service it will be. Maybe it will be a part of playstation plus, maybe it won't happen at all... the honest truth is they haven't talked about it except to say it is something they would like to do. No mention of pricing models or timeline or anything. Just that they want to do it.
But you can't tell me you were SERIOUSLY expecting hardware backwards compatibility? Because that'd be another 200-300 dollars onto the hardware cost of the console... and I doubt any of us would've wanted to pay for it...
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Posted 2/22/13
Like with the PS3, I'm going to wait 2 years after its launch before I decide purchasing it.
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Posted 2/23/13

Seluhir wrote:

Um mipegg... you obviously haven't really paid attention to the actual processing power the device has, are you? In terms of actual power, it is roughly equivalent to mid-high end pcs. Remember that consoles get more bang for their proverbial buck since they have less fluff running in the background than a computer does and they're tailormade rather than being random hardware thrown together.
Here's a good article on the subject: http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/20/spec-wars-start-for-the-ps4-heres-what-a-chip-expert-say-about-its-potential-performance/

Overall potential performance is around 1.84 teraflops of computing power. To quote the article in case you don't want to read: “It’s very comparable to a mid- to high-end gaming PC,” Krewell said. “Even though the CPU is combined with the GPU on one die, like most PC processors today, the higher bandwidth memory and custom design indicates it should have graphics performance more like a discrete GPU found in a gaming PC.”

But the console experience isn't really so much about power. It's about the couch gaming experience. As far as launch lineup goes, well that's what E3 is for...

As far as backwards compatibility goes... we don't know what type of service it will be. Maybe it will be a part of playstation plus, maybe it won't happen at all... the honest truth is they haven't talked about it except to say it is something they would like to do. No mention of pricing models or timeline or anything. Just that they want to do it.
But you can't tell me you were SERIOUSLY expecting hardware backwards compatibility? Because that'd be another 200-300 dollars onto the hardware cost of the console... and I doubt any of us would've wanted to pay for it...


You admitted it and the article already said it, even before its released its only equivelant to a mid end PC, it simply cant keep up with performance and Im really expecting alot of games to just not be released on hardware like this. Developers are already sick of having to produce games with intentionally low quality because of out of date console hardware, they arent going to change that with the PS4 it seems so I really cant say I care.

A PC can do couch gaming just fine, with things like steam bigpicture coming out thats hardly a problem any more, its just seeming more and more like consoles are becoming massively outdated things tbh..
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Posted 2/23/13
I'd rather get a console than to spend more money to get a computer up to date with specs.
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Posted 2/23/13 , edited 2/23/13
When I'm loaded, it won't matter what anything like this costs. Ho ho ho.

So really, let's just presume I'm going to be PS4 reppin', Wii-U bumpin', and PC gamin'.

Edit: I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about right now hoyl shit what lolol
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Posted 2/23/13

mipegg wrote:


Seluhir wrote:

Um mipegg... you obviously haven't really paid attention to the actual processing power the device has, are you? In terms of actual power, it is roughly equivalent to mid-high end pcs. Remember that consoles get more bang for their proverbial buck since they have less fluff running in the background than a computer does and they're tailormade rather than being random hardware thrown together.
Here's a good article on the subject: http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/20/spec-wars-start-for-the-ps4-heres-what-a-chip-expert-say-about-its-potential-performance/

Overall potential performance is around 1.84 teraflops of computing power. To quote the article in case you don't want to read: “It’s very comparable to a mid- to high-end gaming PC,” Krewell said. “Even though the CPU is combined with the GPU on one die, like most PC processors today, the higher bandwidth memory and custom design indicates it should have graphics performance more like a discrete GPU found in a gaming PC.”

But the console experience isn't really so much about power. It's about the couch gaming experience. As far as launch lineup goes, well that's what E3 is for...

As far as backwards compatibility goes... we don't know what type of service it will be. Maybe it will be a part of playstation plus, maybe it won't happen at all... the honest truth is they haven't talked about it except to say it is something they would like to do. No mention of pricing models or timeline or anything. Just that they want to do it.
But you can't tell me you were SERIOUSLY expecting hardware backwards compatibility? Because that'd be another 200-300 dollars onto the hardware cost of the console... and I doubt any of us would've wanted to pay for it...


You admitted it and the article already said it, even before its released its only equivelant to a mid end PC, it simply cant keep up with performance and Im really expecting alot of games to just not be released on hardware like this. Developers are already sick of having to produce games with intentionally low quality because of out of date console hardware, they arent going to change that with the PS4 it seems so I really cant say I care.

A PC can do couch gaming just fine, with things like steam bigpicture coming out thats hardly a problem any more, its just seeming more and more like consoles are becoming massively outdated things tbh..


I really don't see graphics getting much better than they are currently until the next big tech leap in display tech(4k monitors probably). I can only say that I sincerely hope you're wrong on this note, nothing would piss me off more than for things to move MORE towards Steam. I like my consoles and my PC, but I play completely different things on each. And I like the fact that both exist in the same space comfortably.
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I hope it can play older games, still pissed the PS3 won't play PS2 games.

I don't game as much anymore so I don't know if I'll bother getting it.



Sadly they said no, and i don't think there gonna change there mind. They want people to keep there ps3's for that purpose and not through them away/sell them because of the PS4. The want to make as much money as possible, which is horrible but we let them.
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I read on playstation4.com that you could buy 2 models of the console one with backwards compatibiility and one without. If true then the one with, will definitely be more. But for all I know it can all be rumors right now
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As unimpressed as I was with the ps3 (purchased for xmas 2011) I highly doubt I will bother buying a ps4.
ps3 did nothing that I though it should have been capable of ... for instance be able to play my psp game via the usb or wifi connection on the big screen. Instead the ps3 is basically a cable router for apps like netflix and a storage unit for my downloaded content.

Same with the vita... I refuse to buy since it doesn't have a reasonably priced memory card.

Gaming in general is no longer something I enjoy. Then games have become redundant or ridiculously difficult to make up for them being redundant.
So instead of going forward I have chose to pick up those japanese titles for my psp before they disappear forever.
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I am soooo excited... i cant wait to get it
i am super excited to play diablo 3 on a console
i love that game...
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