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I was just thinking that Sailor Moon is 21 years old this year (Sailor V turns 22).

I remember hearing, somewhere, that a car is considered 'antique' when it turns 25 but I don't really know enough about automotives to give a shit about that.

What do you folks think? How old is a classic? Is there or should there be a defined age at which an anime becomes a 'classic'?
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20 years old, I believe that's when a vehicle becomes a classic. I'm not sure I agree with the automotive version of classic. I've always wanted classic to mean that something was unique in some way and years later nothing has reached it's lofty heights in quite the same way. Also when something is genre defining or creates a whole new niche to aspire to. I don't like the idea that something is classic just because it's old. It feels undeserving of the title some how.
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That pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

I don't know, maybe I'm confusing 'classic' with 'antique' in some way.
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That's a good question for me some things are instant classics. I consider FMA Brotherhood a classic. But as a rule of thumb anything from around 95 to 2002 would be a classic if was really something I thought was awesome. Like Cowboy Bebop or Outlaw Star. If you wanna get old school, Akira, Fist of the North Star, and Record of Lodoss War are certainly classics IMO...
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Another classic would be Gunbuster (1988), if you guys havent seen it, you should watch it. Its the anime that made me such a big fan of anime. And when i saw it as a child i remember being moved. And it still moves me to this day.
Posted 2/27/13
I wonder..does classic mean age or popularity? Or maybe production value? I think Naruto is a classic, maybe its more epic.
But I guess generally most refer to age when talking about classics...although I think most would consider Spirited Away a classic and its not very old. I think Satoshi Kon's works are classic..and some of them, like Paranoia Agent are less than 20 years old.

Anyway..another good classic is Gunsmith Cats.
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Hmmm, I don't have an informed response to this question at all! This is all opinion borne of sentiment rather than research. I think classic denotes age as well as a unique quality, like groundbreaking production techniques or art or story or something like that, but even all those qualities can be subjective. And I agree with moneygrip that some things give you that sense of instant classic. Vampire Hunter D and Ghost in the Shell movies tended to do that for me, even way back when I saw the first VHD on VHS. But completely due to my own subjective compartmentalizations, currently I tend to think of "old" as stuff that was released before the advent of ubiquitous streaming. In 5-10 years, my timeframes will probably slide to adapt.
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It's not Japanese anime but does anyone remember Fire and Ice? There's a classic.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_and_Ice_(1983_film)
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-Paul- wrote:

Another classic would be Gunbuster (1988), if you guys havent seen it, you should watch it. Its the anime that made me such a big fan of anime. And when i saw it as a child i remember being moved. And it still moves me to this day.


It's hard for me to say what titles made me such a big fan, or at least very interested, in anime. Back around 2008, both Evangelion and Nadia got me very interested in anime, specifically either those of sci-fi, psychological, or older (aka stuff from 1970s and '80s). A year later, I got a chance to watch Gunbuster and I enjoyed it very much (even though I read about how "slow" it supposedly is).

As far as classics, I think the 20 year mark is about right while 15 or so is a bit "iffy." As in, its easy to see why some may agree or disagree why a certain title might not be a classic.
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What appeals to me can't appeal to everyone. What is classic for me can't be classic for everyone.

Now that I'm done rephrasing lyrics from Let the Day Begin... I could have seen Astro Boy 1980 or Robotech when I was younger, but never got the chance to. Seeing them for the first time at age thirty-four is fascinating, though I don't have much context for the shows.

In my first year or two of being a dedicated anime-manga fan, I learned about Urusei Yatsura. I tracked down a couple trade paperbacks and videotapes, and thought they were okay. But in the last few months, I've been slowly rediscovering the franchise. It's more enjoyable than I remembered.
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blaise0316 wrote:

It's not Japanese anime but does anyone remember Fire and Ice? There's a classic.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_and_Ice_(1983_film)
I had that on Laserdisc(something which only people in this group probably have ever even heard of).

As to whats a classic is, its pretty much anything that pioneered something new, was an exceptional take on an established idea, and/or something that has endured. I guess you would define a classic as anything that not only is well regarded but is well remembered.

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blaise0316 wrote:

It's not Japanese anime but does anyone remember Fire and Ice? There's a classic.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_and_Ice_(1983_film)
I had that on Laserdisc(something which only people in this group probably have ever even heard of).

As to whats a classic is, its pretty much anything that pioneered something new, was an exceptional take on an established idea, and/or something that has endured. I guess you would define a classic as anything that not only is well regarded but is well remembered.



I don't recall having watched Fire and Ice but dear God, the laserdisc. It was a behemoth worth a giggle even then, but I'll have to say, it was quite the discovery back in the day when anime was much harder to come by. I knew someone who had a laserdisc player and easy access to LD rentals/purchases, and he helped me binge on anime that would have taken me much longer to find, and with better picture quality. Actually, he introduced me to a lot of anime in LD and VHS that I had not previously heard of since he knew how to get them from foreign markets instead of waiting for American releases. I was not so knowledgeable about such things. Good times.
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I don't recall having watched Fire and Ice but dear God, the laserdisc. It was a behemoth worth a giggle even then, but I'll have to say, it was quite the discovery back in the day when anime was much harder to come by. I knew someone who had a laserdisc player and easy access to LD rentals/purchases, and he helped me binge on anime that would have taken me much longer to find, and with better picture quality. Actually, he introduced me to a lot of anime in LD and VHS that I had not previously heard of since he knew how to get them from foreign markets instead of waiting for American releases. I was not so knowledgeable about such things. Good times.
That's pretty cool. I had no idea where to find discs so I was just limited to the random stuff that my family had gotten. Not sure even where we picked that thing up other than my dad was kind of a packrat and brought home weird stuff from time to time.

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A classic does not have an age to it: generally speaking, it is something that will appeal to you at different ages in different ways, something that you continue to learn from because your point of view changes with age and a good classic will hold up under re-reading, re-viewing, re-listening at different points in your life with changing meanings.

"Naruto" is already a classic: it is rich enough in depth to be viewed many times and to discover new things each time.

The expression, "Children's Classics" (in books) refers to books that appeal to generations of children, year after year, like Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Peter Rabbit ...

vintage = over 15-20 years old
antique = over 100 years old
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forsakenmage wrote:


AsahinaInu wrote:


blaise0316 wrote:

It's not Japanese anime but does anyone remember Fire and Ice? There's a classic.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_and_Ice_(1983_film)
I had that on Laserdisc(something which only people in this group probably have ever even heard of).

As to whats a classic is, its pretty much anything that pioneered something new, was an exceptional take on an established idea, and/or something that has endured. I guess you would define a classic as anything that not only is well regarded but is well remembered.



I don't recall having watched Fire and Ice but dear God, the laserdisc. It was a behemoth worth a giggle even then, but I'll have to say, it was quite the discovery back in the day when anime was much harder to come by. I knew someone who had a laserdisc player and easy access to LD rentals/purchases, and he helped me binge on anime that would have taken me much longer to find, and with better picture quality. Actually, he introduced me to a lot of anime in LD and VHS that I had not previously heard of since he knew how to get them from foreign markets instead of waiting for American releases. I was not so knowledgeable about such things. Good times.


Lucky you. Haha. The discs were big weren't they? Craziness. The anime prices were way too much for a poor college student like me at the time. I had a friend who had one and had Alien and Aliens on LD. Great quality and they had some bonus footage to boot.

I think Cowboy Bebop had an episode with a Betamax in it. Maybe there's an anime with a tribute to the LD?
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