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Republican! The less I'm taxed the more anime, manga, and games I can buy!! I don't really agree with democrats... Only thing I agree with is that gays should get their marriage... The rest of their policies are expensive and stupid.


Ah, but you have to put money in to get money out. You can't start (or maintain) a business without putting money into it!
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A social capitalist who takes advantage of the Democratic Party's "big tent" approach to advance policies aimed at establishing a Nordic-style socioeconomic model at the state level. Think along the lines of Bernard Sanders in terms of economic and social policy. In terms of foreign policy, think Franklin Roosevelt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_sanders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_capitalism#Welfare_capitalism_in_Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model


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Democacy is silly, all it means that 51% of people can legally make the other 49% do whatever they tell them.


Only in a purely majoritarian system with absolutely no system of checks and balances or protections for minorities whatsoever.

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I can't think of any examples in the entire industrialized world.
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Other. Socialist lol
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Posted 8/5/14

mrya21 wrote:


leobadillo wrote:

Republican! The less I'm taxed the more anime, manga, and games I can buy!! I don't really agree with democrats... Only thing I agree with is that gays should get their marriage... The rest of their policies are expensive and stupid.


Ah, but you have to put money in to get money out. You can't start (or maintain) a business without putting money into it!



Yes I agree with that. However, I'm talking about handouts/wasted tax dollars/unnecessary taxing. I live in California which is very liberal/socialistic.The idea here is everybody should be taken care of by the government... Which means the working class gets taxed A LOT. Many of things we cover is quite ridiculous/expensive.
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I usually end up voting Democrat. They're not perfect, but they're also not full of people who want to prove that government doesn't work by getting elected to government positions.
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leobadillo wrote:

However, I'm talking about handouts/wasted tax dollars/unnecessary taxing. I live in California which is very liberal/socialistic.The idea here is everybody should be taken care of by the government... Which means the working class gets taxed A LOT. Many of things we cover is quite ridiculous/expensive.


Is it really socialist, though, California? I would think that it isn't given that workers aren't managing the means of production democratically and the distribution of goods is neither through a rationing system nor a socialized market system. California is capitalist, there's pretty much no way around it. However, I will echo your complaint that human capital isn't being adequately cultivated given the preferential model of aid distribution (as opposed to a universal model). In other words, the people of California are harmed more than they are helped when minimalism is the philosophy informing decisions concerning social spending. To put it yet another way, I expect you'd feel better about social spending if you could also expect to personally see some benefit therefrom.

I could be wrong, you could be morally and ethically opposed to social spending from the outset. But my reading of your post here indicates that the issue is less that social spending is itself a problem and more that you're feeling you don't get what you pay for when it comes to social spending. And honestly, you don't. Not the way things are done in the United States, anyway.
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BlueOni wrote:


leobadillo wrote:

However, I'm talking about handouts/wasted tax dollars/unnecessary taxing. I live in California which is very liberal/socialistic.The idea here is everybody should be taken care of by the government... Which means the working class gets taxed A LOT. Many of things we cover is quite ridiculous/expensive.


Is it really socialist, though, California? I would think that it isn't given that workers aren't managing the means of production democratically and the distribution of goods is neither through a rationing system nor a socialized market system. California is capitalist, there's pretty much no way around it. However, I will echo your complaint that human capital isn't being adequately cultivated given the preferential model of aid distribution (as opposed to a universal model). In other words, the people of California are harmed more than they are helped when minimalism is the philosophy informing decisions concerning social spending. To put it yet another way, I expect you'd feel better about social spending if you could also expect to personally see some benefit therefrom.

I could be wrong, you could be morally and ethically opposed to social spending from the outset. But my reading of your post here indicates that the issue is less that social spending is itself a problem and more that you're feeling you don't get what you pay for when it comes to social spending. And honestly, you don't. Not the way things are done in the United States, anyway.


I think it's slowly getting more socialist and liberal everywhere in the United States. Socialism is concerned with redistributing resources from the rich to the poor(Reason why I called it socialistic). I suppose I went a little far in calling California completely socialist. My main issue is the rich cannot support the poor. The rich are few in number. Adding the new healthcare law into the mix will further hurt businesses/rich in my opinion. We cannot simply support all of the people who want to go on benefits without hurting the middle/upperclass. Democrats claim they're for the middle class and minorities but they aren't. They've hurt them more than helped.
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Posted 8/5/14

leobadillo wrote:


mrya21 wrote:


leobadillo wrote:

Republican! The less I'm taxed the more anime, manga, and games I can buy!! I don't really agree with democrats... Only thing I agree with is that gays should get their marriage... The rest of their policies are expensive and stupid.


Ah, but you have to put money in to get money out. You can't start (or maintain) a business without putting money into it!



Yes I agree with that. However, I'm talking about handouts/wasted tax dollars/unnecessary taxing. I live in California which is very liberal/socialistic.The idea here is everybody should be taken care of by the government... Which means the working class gets taxed A LOT. Many of things we cover is quite ridiculous/expensive.


How do you feel about that whole "Womens' bodies have a way of shutting the process down" deal? I can tell you the Dems didn't have a lot to do with that.
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leobadillo wrote:

I think it's slowly getting more socialist and liberal everywhere in the United States.


In a manner of speaking, and depending on where you look, the US is indeed becoming more liberal. I can agree with this much.


Socialism is concerned with redistributing resources from the rich to the poor(Reason why I called it socialistic). I suppose I went a little far in calling California completely socialist.


It's sort of a side discussion, so I'll put this in spoilers.




My main issue is the rich cannot support the poor. The rich are few in number. Adding the new healthcare law into the mix will further hurt businesses/rich in my opinion. We cannot simply support all of the people who want to go on benefits without hurting the middle/upperclass. Democrats claim they're for the middle class and minorities but they aren't. They've hurt them more than helped.


You don't have to sell me on the idea that the PPACA is the wrong thing for the US. The fact that the rate of persons insured is rising is indicative of one thing, and one thing only: that people are now legally compelled to purchase health insurance. It seems unsurprising that something people are compelled to do by force of law becomes more prevalent than it was when such was not legally compulsory, doesn't it?

One of my principle problems with the PPACA is that the bulk of the cost of expanding coverage is still concentrated instead of socialized (and yes, that includes in the states where MedicAid was expanded). A single-payer system would be superior since the cost of insuring everyone (the aim of the PPACA) would be socialized, distributed, as in the people who couldn't afford insurance don't have to look for a discount they found in an exchange (if they even have a functional exchange to look to at the moment), but would instead receive insurance regardless of their ability to pay without placing any undue burden on any particular individual as a result of their nonpayment. The cherry on top is that a single-payer system sidesteps concerns about regulatory capture as well.

Either directing a portion of income and corporate income tax revenue toward a single-payer healthcare system or establishing a separate healthcare tax which is also progressively bracketed would even out the impact of expanding coverage and completely avoid smacking businesses with all the unnecessary paperwork the PPACA has generated. It would also free up government agencies currently charged with ensuring that businesses and individuals are compliant with the PPACA and allow them to instead concentrate exclusively on monitoring the healthcare system itself. A single-payer system is an easier, cheaper, and more effective alternative, so why even bother with the PPACA?
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Single payer systems in other countries are making them go broke and there's a lot of rationing going with bureaucrats deciding who gets treatment. Want to see the future of single payer system? Just like look at the messed up VA healthcare that's been that way for decades.
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Posted 8/6/14
I've Voted Democrat, but honestly...Hell if I know...IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE ANYHOW.. This Country is already a Police State; when they enforce the Martial Law, We'll see just what good the Constitution and Bill of Rights does Us then. These People are OPENLY attacking the Liberties and Circumstance the Forefathers of this Nation fought so hard to prevent. And they FORESAW THIS. That's the ONLY reason why Americans are allowed to bear Arms! The Forefathers had JUST got done escaping and defeating an unfair, and scoundrel driven War Machine in the Redcoats...They KNEW that when ANY class or group of People INCLUDING those in Political Office have A. TOO MUCH Money, and B. TOO MUCH Power, the Liberty of the Republic as a Democracy is nothing but an illusion! The ONLY One's left to defend the Country from it's OWN Government are those Citizens of the Country in possession of Firearms and Weapons. It's a SAD but TRUE fact that change can ONLY be brought about by Death and Bloodshed, and the Forefathers warned Us.

Oh well. Communism doesn't sound too damned bad when compared to that of a Military State where if You speak deemed vile and venomous thoughts and words against the situation Someone from the Military of Your OWN Country will shoot You down where You stand. I know You think this is nonsense, but throughout History many have known of ire things to come and thought simply that it could never happen to them. Open Your eyes and ears, and fight back. How? This can ONLY start at Your OWN City/County level Government offices and positions. Your Mayors, Senators, Governors...it STARTS THERE. Only from there can ANYTHING even HOPE to be brought about to combat the hyper-criminalistic ways in which this Nations Government and "Leaders" are planning on taking it.

Vive la Revolution!
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While separation of church and state really isn't in the Constitution, separation of powers is.

Letting 9 people in black robes ultimately decide issues and a President who rules by fiat when he doesn't get his way and a congress that refuses to even slow him down is not what the founding fathers had in mind.
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Posted 8/6/14
I don't think I can blame Obama for "ruling by fiat" when congress insists on wasting our tax dollars by continually voting to repeal the ACA and insisting that there's a Benghazi "coverup."
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Agreed. Voting to repeal Obama care is silly they should have just voted to defund it and save us a lot of money.

Harder questions were asked about the Watergate scandal and no one died in that one.
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Posted 8/6/14 , edited 8/6/14

AniMatsuri wrote:

Single payer systems in other countries are making them go broke...


Which other countries?


...and there's a lot of rationing going with bureaucrats deciding who gets treatment.


Which bureaucrats are making such decisions, and where?


Want to see the future of single payer system? Just like look at the messed up VA healthcare that's been that way for decades.


Are the logistical and managerial schema you're pointing to the only ones a single payer system in the US could assume?

Edit: Holy cats, CD! Ea----sy. Have a seat and a cold drink, no one needs to be talking revolution.
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