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Competition for CR, Daisuki Streaming
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agila61 wrote:

They are talking about 500 titles. If that is 500 series, rather than 500 episodes, it means a very deep back catalog. Now, a lot of that would be old series where the licenses have lapsed. But the thing about the original licensors doing the streaming is they should have broad region rights, so they would be able to stream without the narrow region restrictions that the home video distributors have.

They are talking about 3m members and a combination of ads and subscriptions or fees, so that sounds like duplicating Crunchyroll.

But it seems likely that they'll only be simulcasting the titles that the members are doing the international licensing for. Since its a joint venture, licensors who are NOT in the club will, if anything, have MORE incentive to stream on Crunchyroll any series that is not picked up by North American distributors. Also, they are not going to turn down the a home video license because they have a streaming site, so the string of deals with Sentai are likely to continue to come to Crunchyroll. Hopefully we'll see more of those being North and South America, UK/Eire, Nordic, Australia, NZ and South Africa ~ maybe even starting to get all of Europe and the Middle East.

Here's the upside hope for CR: its possible that they simulcast stream their series on their site, and then let Crunchyroll have it a week later. They could even hire Crunchyroll to do the subtitling, since that's not the side of things those companies have ever handled. But those titles are available worldwide outside of Japan. When combined with bona fide simulcasts from other licensors, and sublicenses from Sentai / NIS America / etc., it could be more simulcasts than today for lots of people in areas that don't get as many series on Crunchyroll, like Africa outside of South Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, etc.


Oh wow! I think I'll check it out when it get's released~
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More competition is good for the industry, bad for the customers. Will have more series funneled to another site so you will need multiple subscriptions.
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Daisuki actually seems like a brilliant idea. I think those who especially favor dubs will jump on this bandwagon.
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Khaltazar wrote: More competition is good for the industry, bad for the customers. Will have more series funneled to another site so you will need multiple subscriptions.

You are only looking at simulcasts. For catalog titles, this could be a big increase, ~ especially for people outside of North America, it could mean hundreds of more catalog series available, since most of the catalog titles streaming in the US are done by Funimation on their own site and multiple others, TheAnimeNetwork on their own site and HuluPlus, Viz on HuluPlus, etc.

And we just don't know whether they will share their streams with Crunchyroll or not. We'll find that out next month. They could share them after a week delay, so the double dip would only be necessary for those who can't wait that week, or who want those extra catalog titles.


mojojooo wrote: Daisuki actually seems like a brilliant idea. I think those who especially favor dubs will jump on this bandwagon.

Why? They are only likely to have dubs if a dub has been done for some home video distributor or broadcaster.
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Instead of picking one or the other... I'd probably be picking both.
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CR is my anime home. That doesn't mean I don't sometimes visit elsewhere to watch things that aren't on CR, so this new service could be something I'd try, just as I now occasionally go to Funimation for things they have that CR doesn't. If it's mostly dubs, then that won't interest me at all. If they don't offer streaming on Roku or Kindle Fire or iPad, that would also makes them less appealing. And if they have lots of ads, that would bump them down too in terms of likelihood I'd use them much.
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lorreen wrote: CR is my anime home. That doesn't mean I don't sometimes visit elsewhere to watch things that aren't on CR, so this new service could be something I'd try, just as I now occasionally go to Funimation for things they have that CR doesn't.

Yeah, I'm pretty much the same. I'd consider adding the occasional month of this service to my mix of HuluPlus and Funimation Elite service that I turn on and off.


If it's mostly dubs, then that won't interest me at all.

I saw this before. Where did people get the idea that these Japanese companies would be doing simulcasts a couple hours after broadcast in Japan and they'd be dubs? That would cost a massive amount to set up and run dubbing studios in the US to do dubs the way they do the dubs in Japan, with four mikes and the voice actors all there at the same time.

As the original licensors, all of the localization materials done for their series, whether subtitles, dubs, ads, whatever, all those rights revert to them when the license expires. So for their catalog titles, they'll be able to offer the dub if a dub was made. But there's no reason to expect them to pay for a dub JUST for their site.. It would be a case of using work that was already done and paid for.


If they don't offer streaming on Roku or Kindle Fire or iPad, that would also makes them less appealing.

Yes, a Roku channel is a big one for me ~ that's when I added Funimation to my "subscribe sometimes" list, when they got their Rok channel.


And if they have lots of ads, that would bump them down too in terms of likelihood I'd use them much.

Yes, they would be wise to be more like Viki than like free Hulu{*} in terms of the number of ads they have ~ ad streaming makes the most sense as self-funding advertising for their subscriptions, and so many ads that its painful to watch a series is not what I'm looking for.

{* HuluPlus claims that its with "limited commercial interruption, but I think that's stretching it: there's more ads on a paid HuluPlus stream on Roku than on some of the free ad-funded channels. Its only "limited" compared to the absurd number of ads on free Hulu.}
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I just hope they don't shut CR out of the distribution for their series in the future and put it solely on their own site.

If they are really going international they will need to dub many languages.

As for Hulu, they were a good site and last August's redesign of their web site and up to 4 ads every few minutes are what brought me to CR and subscription. Life is too short to waste time scrolling though show icons or watching ads. I voted with my feet and left. As far as I can tell the joint venture of NBCUniversal Television Group (Comcast), Fox Broadcasting Company and Disney-ABC bought out Providence Equity Partners and exercised control over it turning the web site into the same bland stuff as their shows.

CR has quick and easy navigation and comments per episode. Good job CR!
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i wont drop cr but im not going to forsake another streaming site so like many other replies Ill keep cr and try out daisuki.
edit: and they are planning on adding one piece so maybe well get lucky and theyll add all the old episodes so I can finally catch up.
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Hey, this is good news. Another legal streaming site is great! More competition = better choices/options for everyone.
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dokudokugwo wrote:

Instead of picking one or the other... I'd probably be picking both.

Same thing here.
I could subscribe to 12 different streaming sites all with the same yearly fee as CR and it would still cost me less than basic cable. But, unlike cable, there would be tons of series I want to watch.

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If they have no region restrictions for the UK then odds are I'll subscribe (depending on which anime they have of course). But that's not to say I'll drop CR, I mean it's a few £ every 3 months, a half decent chain for my motorbike costs more than an annual sub to CR. Although with Fairy Tail ending and some of the decent series seemingly coming to a conclusion it'll all depend on what CR bring to the table for the next season. April suggests they are going to start with the Spring season so if they get all the good stuff and CR get the left-overs (or total rubbish that I have no desire to watch, or the majority not available in my region....) then who knows, CR may be cheap but it's only viable if the series it has is worth the cost.
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I find it awesome that there going to be another anime streaming site for the entire world. I really hope I will finally be able to watch the popular Aniplex titles like Oreimo, Angel Beats, Madoka, Sword Art Online, etc. These titles are still unavailable in my country despite their popularity.

I don't mind paying for another subscription. I'm willing to spend a lot of money when it comes to anime. Right now, I'm not spending as much as I could or want simply because of the whole region restriction nonsense.
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I won't be leaving CR. As for Daisuki, I'm holding a "wait and see" approach. I want to see if they'll have decent subs, video player, and that sort of thing. Remember how Nico Nico failed in the English market? As that saying goes, "Leave it to Japan to screw up an Anime release." Of course, I hope they do a good job and I may check them out depending how it goes, but for my needs, CR does the job for me for now.
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*Spit takes milk.* I love this place too much. I'll just alternate between the two.
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