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Right, recently had a theory regarding Benihime (due to rewatching all of Bleach), and have come back to the Aizen fight. I noticed a small detail I missed the first time around. In the manga, Ichigo is branded as not being a true Soul Reaper, awakens a Blut ability, and is called [I think, memory isn't great] 'Son of Darkness' by Juhabach. Back in the Aizen fight, with the annoying interruption of Isshin, he was saying how Ichigo was the spawn of a human and a... Ichigo then says he doesn't need to hear that last part as his father has now turn up in full Shinigami gear with Engetsu and he thinks it's pretty obvious. I know it's been noted for a while now that he's probably part quincy (His bedsheets, little information on his mother, Isshin's relationship with Ryuken etc.), but the fact that Aizen notes that he is keeping his distance, due to it being in his blood, lends real credence to the theory. If you don't remember rematch the episode please [think it's in the 290's].

TL;DR... Short version, all points to Ichigo being a quincy who gained shinigami powers out of necessity and his affinity with Reishi. He isn't, Isshin IS his father, but Isshin and Ryuken are the same person (think Starrk), but Isshin wanted Ichigo to become a Shinigami, against his quincy blood [reading into a conversation between Isshin and Ryuken about who the better parent is...]

If anyone can put this into a nice neat idea, that's be cool... But if anyone can poke holes in my ideas, even better. :)

p.s. I know this has been talked to submission for a while but i need to write my thoughts sometimes
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Well it's been obvious that he's a quincy for a while because Tite Kubo isn't very subtle, but the part about Isshin and Ryuken being the same person actually makes sense. That's the worst part about it, I suddenly believe that now. If it turns out you're right, I'll build a 100ft. tall idol to you.
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Wait. have i missed something, is the translation wrong in the last chapter or haven't you read the last chapter? in the last page Masaki confesses to being a quincy so I thought that was over with.
and what's up with the Isshin-Ryuken theory? are you implying that Ichigo and Uryu are brothers or that Ryuken isn't Uryus father?
besides what do you mean with bedsheets, are you referring to the captain haori Isshin is carrying on his back?
and i thought we all knew Ichigo was a quincy as soon as he used the blut ability and that he escaped a cage that could only be escaped by a quincy as stated by Juhabach.
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It's more to do with whether he is a pureblood quincy or a quincy/shinigami... The thing with Ryuken and Isshin is down to their interactions, they're like two sides of the same coin... and yes I'm implying that Ichigo and Uryu are brothers, one raised as a quincy with potential for shinigami powers (He is pretty potent wielding Seele Schneider as a blade), and the other raised as a shinigami with potential for quincy powers (Getsugatensho is [primarily] a ranged attack). And carbo... if i earn that idol i would like it placed on Table Mountain please :D.
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to be honest your theory doesn't really convince me, as i can't come up with a good reason for why isshin/ryuken would do this,(stark did it in an attempt to escape from his loneliness). Besides Isshin does have a history which is separate from Ryukens. Isshin having been a captain and having a history with Urahara, while Ryuken was trained by his father and inherited the title of the last quincy(whatever that is supposed to mean...).
While I don't believe your theory I have to admit that I am rather curious as to what kind of past they share together, but I'm willing to bet that it has to do with masaki. Another interesting possibility is that perhaps they had a clash in some sort of shinigami vs quincy conflict.(the last one I came up with on the spot so don't go too hard on me if there's something that makes it an impossibility)
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OK well we all know that this has to do with 1000 years ago during that battle between the soul reapers and quincys and we also know that isshin lost his powers due to using the final stage of his sword just like ichigo. What we don't know is why happened to start it all and what caused him to flee to human world. we did see a picture of masaki tending to isshin injuries so lets say she saves him after he looses his powers and whats to say that he doens't fight someone for her sake like another soul reaper... say for instance maybe the blonde guy that is always sick who thought ichigo was his dad back at the beginning on the bridge...i'm still not sure why she would have died facing suck a weak opp as grandfisher but who knows something could have happened where it was going after ichigo and she steps in the way similar to how rukia saves ichigo right before she gives him her powers. my spelling sucks but everyone that reads or watches the show should know what i'm talking about.
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Masaki was a Quincy, probably used Letzt Stil at some point and lost her Quincy powers (like Uryuu). Ichigo, however, is half human and Quincy, and can only use some Quincy techniques, although the Quincy reishi is evident in his moves like Getsuga tenshou. She probably gave up her Quincy powers saving Isshin, and Isshin feels guilty since he couldn't save her in return when she was helpless, which is why he hasn't shared it the entire series. He probably thinks that he needs to now so that Ichigo can do something about the final antagonist, whoever it may be.

Just some thoughts on the matter. Your theory is interesting, but Isshin is probably a human with latent Shinigami powers, which in full effect rival that of a captain's. We know that Masaki is a Quincy, and if Isshin is then Ichigo is 100% Quincy, which doesn't make sense because he has shown no capability of using standard Quincy techniques such as archery. Isshin could be 50% Quincy or something, but I'll just wait and see. I've spent enough time thinking about this topic already...
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Honestly I'm much more banking on Ichigo's mom and Ishida's dad being siblings(or at least related). Basically I think Reyuken didn't approve of their relationship, hence why they act the way they do.
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Going back to the quincy powers... Ichigo has never held a quincy cross or artefact, so he never has had the ability to use quincy powers. I'm rotting my memory trying to think of a time when Ichigo ever drew reishi from his surroundings which would make him being pure-blood quincy much more likely. I dunno, makes my brain hurt.

The knowledge and information is mostly there and confirmed but trying to shed light on what hasn't been shown or revealed is a pain.
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Going back to the quincy powers... Ichigo has never held a quincy cross or artefact, so he never has had the ability to use quincy powers. I'm rotting my memory trying to think of a time when Ichigo ever drew reishi from his surroundings which would make him being pure-blood quincy much more likely. I dunno, makes my brain hurt.

The knowledge and information is mostly there and confirmed but trying to shed light on what hasn't been shown or revealed is a pain.


there is no way Ichigo is a pure blood quincy. If it was something a quincy could do, so many more would of done it and completely destroyed the Soul Reapers rather than being hunted to near extinction.

He is more than likely half Shinigami, half quincy and because of Urahara, there is now some hollow in there.

I'm thinking the reason he was told he wasn't originally a shinigami was because he was a mortal with spiritual powers, basically what a quincy is, and when his spirit was split from his body by Rukia, his Soul Reaper half manifested. However, Quincy aren't souls, they are Human, but now that his Fullbring(a mortal power) has combined with his Soul Reaper powers, it has bridged that gap that instead of being half and half, he is now something completely new.
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As everyone is probably aware by now; this is a ploy by Kubo to make Ichigo a hybrid of every race in the series.
Ichigo has however shown his ability to absorb reiatsu(to a certain extent) when he absorbed the tiny bit of reiatsu from Quilges jail that would make him awaken his quincy abilities and in turn allow him to escape the jail that could not imprison a quincy.
But I doubt that somehow confirms that he is a pureblood Quincy, since I don't think that ability is only tied to purebloods(why would it be and what makes you think that?).
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Am i the only one expecting development of Uryu this arc? in one of the chapters Ichigo states that the Vollständig of the Quincy he was fighting was power-fuller than Uryu's, and then he out stated that "It should not be", What could this mean?, Uryu has been with Ichigo since the beggining of the series, so maybe the fact the Ichigo being a half quincy has effected Uryu's development negatively in some way, or maybe like said above, Ichigo and Uryu are Brothers, or Maybe Masaki was Ryuken's Sister and that would make them Cousins, another thing is, Isshin married a Quincy, thus Ichigo was a Half/Half Soul reaper and Quincy, but what about Ishida? have we ever seen his mother? no? say maybe she was a Soul Reaper, thus making Ishida a Soul reaper/ Quincy? Well we won't know any time soon i'm assuming
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Making my brain hurt xD I love these theories :3
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Am i the only one expecting development of Uryu this arc? in one of the chapters Ichigo states that the Vollständig of the Quincy he was fighting was power-fuller than Uryu's, and then he out stated that "It should not be", What could this mean?, Uryu has been with Ichigo since the beggining of the series, so maybe the fact the Ichigo being a half quincy has effected Uryu's development negatively in some way, or maybe like said above, Ichigo and Uryu are Brothers, or Maybe Masaki was Ryuken's Sister and that would make them Cousins, another thing is, Isshin married a Quincy, thus Ichigo was a Half/Half Soul reaper and Quincy, but what about Ishida? have we ever seen his mother? no? say maybe she was a Soul Reaper, thus making Ishida a Soul reaper/ Quincy? Well we won't know any time soon i'm assuming


you're not the only one! ^_^ i, too, am waiting for Uryuu to end his hiatus. am hoping his reappearance is nearing, cos he himself (and his background) is quite a mystery too.
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aralex391 wrote:

But I doubt that somehow confirms that he is a pureblood Quincy, since I don't think that ability is only tied to purebloods(why would it be and what makes you think that?).


Apart from the bounts quincys are the only race to gather reishi from their surroundings (that i am aware of), so if ichigo showed an affinity for the talent, (an example being if his getsuga tensho gathered reishi from the air around him) it makes the likelyhood of being pureblood higher. I just want him to be related to uryu :P, they bounced off each other so well in the early story I'd love for them to be related :D.
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